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Subject: Because I'm Impatient: Reina Roja's "Welcome to Xanadu" rss

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Matt - Conduit23
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As I'm sure many did, the second I saw The Red Queen I wanted to build a "make your ICE cost a ton to rez, and also derez it" deck. Added Compromised Employees to make rezzing even more painful, and some Quality Time for some card draw. (Was trying to make a Wyldside/Aesop's engine fit but I really don't like playing Wyldside without 2 Aesop's, and refused to budge on my other influence spends!)

Very rough draft, and I realize the card pool will be vastly different by the time these cards come out, but what good is life without some Netrunner Tinkering?

ID: Reina Roja

Events (11)

3x Sure Gamble
2x Vamp
3x Emergency Shutdown******
3x Quality Time***

Hardware (2)

2x Grimoire

Programs (20)

2x Djinn
3x Imp
3x Medium
3x Rook
3x Parasite
3x Crypsis
3x Crescentus***

Resources (12)

3x Liberated Accounts
3x Xanadu
3x Armitage Codebusting
3x Compromised Employee***

Should I bother with Parasite? Need more regular breakers? Mostly just included Grimoire as a cheap way to get +2 MU, maybe a third Djinn will be enough.

Better OOF selections I'm not thinking of?
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I'd still add 2x corroded and 2x mimic, dropping down to 1x crypsis and cutting imp to add the third djinn. This is coming from a die-hard shaper player, so take my rig-building advice with a grain of salt.
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I like it. I wonder if it might not be a little light on econ, though, especially with Vamp (which you definitely want). Maybe find a way to stick Dirty Laundry in there, since you don't have many special run events?
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Isn't Compromised Employee counter-synergistic here? You're trying to make it so they can rez fewer ICE, but are playing a card that benefits you when they rez more ICE. You can probably get more bang for your influence by taking another direction.
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....Cortez Chip? Also, we don't know what other cards are coming. ...She's still 3-4 months out no?
 
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Miaowara_Tomokato wrote:
Isn't Compromised Employee counter-synergistic here? You're trying to make it so they can rez fewer ICE, but are playing a card that benefits you when they rez more ICE. You can probably get more bang for your influence by taking another direction.


The corp is going to rez ice, the xanadu will give you more time to get employees out to benefit more. That being said, I probably wouldn't bother with vamp in this deck... if you want to crush corps econ play siphon camp, if you want every rez to put the corp farther behind play reina and employee.

I would play more breakers... 2-3 mimic 2-3 corroder 2 yog 2-3 datasucker, breakers are good for accessing servers.

I also find that cards that give you credits are also useful, kati jones would be good especially if you want vamp in this deck.

 
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bank job may work better than either armitage or compromised employees in this deck.

Run their centrals to make them spend their money rezzing, then hit their remotes for an easy bank job, or do the opposite, running the remote to forcing them to rez, denying you the bank job but leaving them unable to rez ice on their centrals.

Also, the ID itself is going to promote more economy assets, which may allow for the bank job to be used simply on undefended assets.
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Crypsis is perfect here; you don't care about inefficient breakers if the corp can't rez half his ice. Vamp is essential. Anyone who doesn't think Vamp and Crypsis belong in this deck probably doesn't understand how it's supposed to work.

Compromised Employee isn't great, though. Bank Job is a good suggestion but expensive at 2 influence each. Kati is OK, but too slow. What you really want is Desperado! Sadly, 3 influence. But 2x Desperado might be better than 3x Bank Job. Then as much neutral burst econ as you can manage.
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You'll also want Running Interference.



It looks like for an extra click you double the cost to rez.
 
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stillnotking wrote:
Crypsis is perfect here; you don't care about inefficient breakers if the corp can't rez half his ice. Vamp is essential. Anyone who doesn't think Vamp and Crypsis belong in this deck probably doesn't understand how it's supposed to work.

Compromised Employee isn't great, though. Bank Job is a good suggestion but expensive at 2 influence each. Kati is OK, but too slow. What you really want is Desperado! Sadly, 3 influence. But 2x Desperado might be better than 3x Bank Job. Then as much neutral burst econ as you can manage.


And anyone who thinks armitage and liberated accounts can support a vamp obviously doesn't understand netrunner.

Theres more to deck building than just mashing together all of the cards with similar wording.
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Uh, guess I ruffled some feathers there. I didn't mean to seem condescending in my post. Should have worded it better.

So, the point of the deck is resource denial, and you expect the corp to have few pieces of ice he can rez. That being the case, Vamp is like the absolute perfect card. (I'd say include 3 of them, but I think 2 is sufficient most of the time.) Not only does it further deny him defenses, but he can't defend against Vamp itself if his ice is costing 2-3 more credits to rez. Either he rezzes and gets Shutdown/Crescentus for his trouble, or he doesn't rez and you Vamp him to 0. Lose-lose.

Armitage and Liberated aren't ideal econ cards, but what they are is fast. You don't want to give the corp 4-5 turns to play econ assets etc. while you load up Kati. Bank Job would be even better. Dirty Laundry would work pretty well too. I still think Desperado is the best when you intend to run multiple times per turn, though.

I would want to see how Compromised Employee plays in this deck. I can see it being useful against small-ice decks, and it mitigates your loss condition somewhat, but if the strategy is working you won't see much from it. Could go either way.
 
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Harsh man.
 
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Chill84 wrote:
stillnotking wrote:
Crypsis is perfect here; you don't care about inefficient breakers if the corp can't rez half his ice. Vamp is essential. Anyone who doesn't think Vamp and Crypsis belong in this deck probably doesn't understand how it's supposed to work.

Compromised Employee isn't great, though. Bank Job is a good suggestion but expensive at 2 influence each. Kati is OK, but too slow. What you really want is Desperado! Sadly, 3 influence. But 2x Desperado might be better than 3x Bank Job. Then as much neutral burst econ as you can manage.


And anyone who thinks armitage and liberated accounts can support a vamp obviously doesn't understand netrunner.

Theres more to deck building than just mashing together all of the cards with similar wording.


I've played Whizzard decks with Armitage/Liberated funded vamps that worked just fine. I think it will be even easier with all of the ICE costing more to rez. I don't suspect I will be needing to do MASSIVE amounts of vamping, just enough to keep them locked down.

I'd like to squeeze in 2x Kati for long more long term economy but I feel like 3xSG 3xAC 3xLA 3xCE was already solid base. Perhaps I am wrong, tbh I don't play Anarch much.

I forgot about Dirty Laundry coming out. Bank Job and Desperado would be lovely. Cut all the Quality Time and Employee's for two Desperado or three Bank Jobs? Then I'd have room for Kati..

Wait, I know! 3x Hard at Work! ninja
 
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mdanuser wrote:

I've played Whizzard decks against corp decks with no eco cards with Armitage/Liberated funded vamps that worked just fine.

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Compromised Employee is OK for this Reina deck.

The biggest drawback of Employee is if you install him late, Corp probably already rezzed most of its defenses and you won't get much value from Employee.

In Rook/Xanadu/Reina deck, the window for installing valuable Employee deck is much wider.

Also, decent synergy with ESD.

OP, your event and program suit is subpar, tho.
You should include way more economy if you want to support Vamp (Opus or Kati Jones).
Crypsis is a good backup breaker, but it's horribly inefficient as a primary, and you want efficient breakers to Vamp. You don't want to have to spend extra 8 credits and 2 clicks to Vamp Corp just because they have 2 Enigmas on HQ. Leave 1 Crypsis in touch, cut the rest, add some fixed strength Anarch breakers.
Also play Deja Vu. Parasites love it.
 
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Awful early to theory this one. It's gotta be what... 4 months away, or 100 new cars to be released. Likely a LOT of things in there to either assist or kill this idea.
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I just "clicked" and realized HOW nuts is Reina's ability. It's not the first ice encountered but the first REZZED. If the first ice cannot be rezzed because the corp doesn't have sufficent credits, the 1 credit penalty "carries over"

If the Corp has 3 credits and 2 Wall of Static stacked on each other, neither can be rezzed!

With some careful manuevering, Rook and Xanadu you can literally deny the corp any rez whatsoever.

However to carefully manuever a No-rez deck like this you need a card that's quite underplayed right now, Snitch. Knowing the cost of a corp's ICE can really put you a step ahead of their game.
 
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junitsu wrote:
Awful early to theory this one. It's gotta be what... 4 months away, or 100 new cars to be released. Likely a LOT of things in there to either assist or kill this idea.


Oh, I know. Tried to address this in the OP:

"I realize the card pool will be vastly different by the time these cards come out, but what good is life without some Netrunner Tinkering?"

Wolf88 wrote:
However to carefully manuever a No-rez deck like this you need a card that's quite underplayed right now, Snitch. Knowing the cost of a corp's ICE can really put you a step ahead of their game.


Ooh, very interesting idea. Could actually get a ton of useful information about exactly where you can sneak through. Might even be able to effectively use Cortez Chip that way.
 
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If you think that, you are probably in the wrong thread!
 
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Android: Netrunner » Forums » Strategy
Re: Because I'm Impatient: Reina Roja's "Welcome to Xanadu"
mrwong wrote:
Harsh man.


Don't be mean, Mr. Wong...
 
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I say drop most of the virus suite.

You could probably do better by splashing in Magnum Opus or Kati for sustainable econ. Though Crypsis may be okay to rely heavily on, since the corp will rez fewer ice if they're paying 1-2 extra on each.

...ohgod, Johnnytime. Bishoppy Darwin Roha Deck.
 
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