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On this episode of Board Games with Scott, host Scott Nicholson takes a look at several Simultaneous Auction games, including Amun-Re, Homesteaders, Peloponnes, and Cyclades.

You can download the episode here: http://www.boardgameswithscott.com/?p=352 (or sign up for iTunes, the RSS feed, or e-mail notifications)

or watch it right here:


(note - there is a mistake in my Homesteaders rules, in that you can rebid in the same auction. It's fixed with a YouTube annotation.)
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Great job Scott.
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Oh, neat, a new BGWS! I hope War of the Roses is in here, I'm interested in how it plays!

Edit: Aww...
 
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Zlarp wrote:
Oh, neat, a new BGWS! I hope War of the Roses is in here, I'm interested in how it plays!

Edit: Aww...


(not Action games... Auction games!)
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Poor Tom!
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snicholson wrote:
Zlarp wrote:
Oh, neat, a new BGWS! I hope War of the Roses is in here, I'm interested in how it plays!

Edit: Aww...


(not Action games... Auction games!)


This is facepalm worthy indeed.
 
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Zlarp wrote:
snicholson wrote:
Zlarp wrote:
Oh, neat, a new BGWS! I hope War of the Roses is in here, I'm interested in how it plays!

Edit: Aww...


(not Action games... Auction games!)


This is facepalm worthy indeed.


And it would never have happened if it wasn't for U.

(wokka wokka wokka)
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snicholson wrote:
Zlarp wrote:
snicholson wrote:
Zlarp wrote:
Oh, neat, a new BGWS! I hope War of the Roses is in here, I'm interested in how it plays!

Edit: Aww...


(not Action games... Auction games!)


This is facepalm worthy indeed.


And it would never have happened if it wasn't for U.

(wokka wokka wokka)


I just bought War of the Roses, so I guess sometimes I just read what I want to read instead of what is written. I make my own reality, so to speak
 
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Great review. One point on Homesteaders:

From Homesteader’s rules:
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If a player has been overbid, then they may rebid in the same auction or on another one, or pass.
 
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kneumann wrote:
Great review. One point on Homesteaders:

From Homesteader’s rules:
Quote:
If a player has been overbid, then they may rebid in the same auction or on another one, or pass.


doh! Crap. I've played that wrong all the time. Hooray for YouTube annotations.
 
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doh! Crap. I've played that wrong all the time. Hooray for YouTube annotations.
I had played Cyclades a few days before I read the rules to Homesteaders so the two differences in the bidding mechanic really stood out: That you waited until it was your turn again to bid and that you could bid on the same auction. Maybe Alex will drop by to comment on these differences (if he has time between games of Innovation )
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Great job Scott! Love the format. Definitely puts Peloponnes on my radar.
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I am really liking this format.
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Thanks Scott! Nice overview!
 
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Yeah, this new format is outstanding and really exciting (yes, I know I said that last time too)
 
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Re: BGWS 066 - Simultaneous Auction games
Nice episode Scott! Can you go back to your old music though?
 
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Walsfeo wrote:
Nice episode Scott! Can you go back to your old music though?


Well, when I'm not talking about "My Pretty Ponies"....
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kneumann wrote:
I had played Cyclades a few days before I read the rules to Homesteaders so the two differences in the bidding mechanic really stood out: That you waited until it was your turn again to bid and that you could bid on the same auction. Maybe Alex will drop by to comment on these differences (if he has time between games of Innovation )


Thanks for sending me the link to this! I love the Board games with Scott series (Especially the 18xx XTREEM bit, that was amazing!), its very cool to see him cover Homesteaders!


The Homesteaders bid mechanic (also the same as Vegas Showdown), is a more pure form of the 'multiple simultaneous auctions where each person can win one', than is in games like Amun Re and Evo.

My first experience with this type of bidding was playing Evo, and I felt it was the best way to resolve this type of auction, except that waiting until your turn to rebid is a more pure form. (If you bid immediately when overbid, then you essentially resolve one entire person's bidding before another enters. The people at the end of the order have a lot less chance to come in and make a 'precise bid' at a certain level, to block others. Most likely when the last guy enters the bidding, lots of things will have reached a fair value already).

In Amun Re there is the twist that you cannot rebid on the same item. I think this works well in that game to try and force you to bid at the 'correct' level initially. However, it also leads to overbids really hurting you. If you are overbid on your only good option, you might be really screwed.

Vegas Showdown is probably the most pure of this type of game. The escalating costs/increasing differences between bids is important to make bidding not take forever, and to allow large bids to lock down an item quite well. I really wish that Vegas Showdown's turn order mechanic was not a simple rotation of start player. Often games are determined by who goes first when a critical item becomes cheap enough. For example: We both have $18 but not $21, Fancy Restaurant just dropped to $18, whoever goes first gets a big advantage. Or: We both have $33 but not $37, Theatre dropped to $33, whoever goes first buys it for the win. Amun Re and Homesteaders avoid this problem by having another mechanic determine future start player, so that you can influence this if it will be important.


Homesteaders is different in that there is one less item available. Essentially, there is a default reward item (advance the railroad track), available at a cost of 0, that goes to the first player who bails. The bid minimum is below items worth, but scarcity forces them to be bid up. (In Amun Re, there is also a dummy prize, it is called the Mendes Province. Well, sometimes)

People wait to rebid until their turn in Homesteaders to allow those late in the turn order to still sometimes be able to place the 'knockout bid' on the 7 or 9 or whatever. The last player doesnt enter a bidding landscape that has already had everyone go back and forth a ton of times first.

People can rebid on the same item in Homesteaders because otherwise, whoever bid later of the two people who want item X would tend to get it. The items are more restricted in their usefulness than they are in Amun Re, so this is important.

All of these games use a similar mechanic but with a twist that makes it work better for that game. (Well, except Evo, I dont know that the immediate rebid makes it better).

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It's pronounced: SICK luh deez
 
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ekted wrote:
It's pronounced: SICK luh deez


Or with a hard K and a th (ki-KLA-this). Or like I said it. Or even, 'Hey, it's an attempt at humor.'

There's a whole debate on the topic over at http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/513144/yugblads-quick-fi...-

Who knows, it's all greek to me.
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Re: Pronunciation
Usage is King.
 
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snicholson wrote:
ekted wrote:
It's pronounced: SICK luh deez


Or with a hard K and a th (ki-KLA-this). Or like I said it. Or even, 'Hey, it's an attempt at humor.'

There's a whole debate on the topic over at http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/513144/yugblads-quick-fi...-

Who knows, it's all greek to me.


I still pronounce Agricola like Agri-Cola, because it sounds better.
 
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snicholson wrote:
Who knows, it's all greek to me.


The first time I read that, I thought you said "geek".
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snicholson wrote:
Walsfeo wrote:
Nice episode Scott! Can you go back to your old music though?


Well, when I'm not talking about "My Pretty Ponies"....


Connie informs me the song/toy you are talking about was "My Little Pony".
 
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Walsfeo wrote:
snicholson wrote:
Walsfeo wrote:
Nice episode Scott! Can you go back to your old music though?


Well, when I'm not talking about "My Pretty Ponies"....


Connie informs me the song/toy you are talking about was "My Little Pony".


Doh! Yet another error. Oh well, I'm not going to try and fix that one.

I grew up with horses, so "my little pony" was actually "my large quarter horse that kicked me in the chest and threw me across the pen".

No love for horses here.


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