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2-player game with Abbey & Mayor and Traders & Builders and River II.

My wife and I both establish small farms early in the game. The farms become connected. She plays a barn on the farm. We both score meager points for each having 1 farmer each. Both farmers get kicked off the farm.

Later on in the game we have a large map going with something like 14 completed cities attached to this mega-farm with only a barn on it.

Three times after this I establish tiny farms (with pig!) which I then connect via tile placement to the mega-farm. Her barn instantly kicks my farmer (and pig) off the farm and I score 28 points (2 points for each city) each time I do this!

Her mega-farm is scoring big points for me. This becomes my main source of points throughout the game. Were we playing correctly?
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Yes, it sounds like you played it correctly.

However, you are only scoring 2 points maximum per city (since you had the pig) and she is going to get 4 points at the end of the game. So whatever you grabbed in points, she doubled at the end of the game. So I don't see how it didn't backfire on you.

EDIT: - Oh, I now see what you were doing! You were scoring all the cities multiple times each for 2 points. Do this more than twice and you are scoring more than her.

Yep, sounds legit.
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Yeah, the idea was to create tiny, worthless farms, connect them to the mega farm, get kicked out and score points. Like you said, do it at least twice (with the pig) and you've negated the barn completely.

Creating and connecting small farms is incredibly easy as virtually every tile has some field on it.

And with 14 completed cities on the map, there was really no point in pursuing any other strategy. What else could net you 28 points every 3 turns? (or 14 points every 2 turns without the pig)

It *almost* sounds like the barn breaks the game.
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It would be a game breaker if you were the only one doing it. After the first time I saw you do this to me, I would have gotten in on the action. Then it would have been less appealing to pursue. Imitation is the highest form of game balancing.
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Yes, this is an entirely valid strategy and particularly powerful if one large farm develops over the course of the game. While the player of the barn will clearly scoop mega points at the end of the game, the placing of the barn makes it possible for all players to start gaining immediate benefits by adjoing farms to the barn farm. Your opponent would have been wise to adopt a similar strategy, or at the very least try to make it as difficult as possible for you continue down this route.
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Another strategy would have been for her to lay some road tiles that would have closed the farm up and prevent you from trying to get in like that.
 
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I place a barn on the farm with 2 pig-herds and a pig on it. the score is 6 for every city (first time)? The pig and the followers are cleared...

If a connect another farm with a farmer and a pig to the field with a barn the score is 4 for every ciry?

In the end of the game the field with a barn and 2 pig-herds scores 6 for every city?

can a follower go our from the Carcassonne City to the field AFTER the end of the game, so scoring 6 for every city?

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Lots of questions...

Hwicha wrote:
I place a barn on the farm with 2 pig-herds and a pig on it. the score is 6 for every city (first time)? The pig and the followers are cleared...

First off, there is only one pig farm tile, unless you are using multiple copies of an expansion or houseruled the GQ expansion
(the "pig farm" in that expansion is not officilly a pig farm). So your official tally should be 5 points (3 for the barn + 1 for the pig farm + 1 for the pig) for each city, otherwise 6 points each.

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If a connect another farm with a farmer and a pig to the field with a barn the score is 4 for every ciry?

Again, officially would be 3 points each (1 for the barn + 1 for the pig farm + 1 for the pig). Otherwise 4 if you are using 2 pig farm tiles.

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In the end of the game the field with a barn and 2 pig-herds scores 6 for every city?

Again, officially 5 but 6 under houserules.

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can a follower go our from the Carcassonne City to the field AFTER the end of the game, so scoring 6 for every city?

Yes and no. The follower can be moved from Carc City to the field with the barn at the end of the game like it could with any other farm. However, it would be scored as if it were an adjoining farm immedieately. In other words, it would only score the 3 (or 4) points each and not score the end-game score. Once all the meeples have been scored and removed, then you would go on to the final end-game barn scoring. Put another way, the barn will always score at the end of the game without any meeples on it.
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Thank you for these answers! Very kind of you. Bless you!
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Carcassonne: Abbey & Mayor » Forums » Rules
Re: Did we play the Barn correctly?
ColtsFan76 wrote:
It would be a game breaker if you were the only one doing it. After the first time I saw you do this to me, I would have gotten in on the action. Then it would have been less appealing to pursue. Imitation is the highest form of game balancing.


It's not going to be less appealing just because the opponent is also doing it. This is what is wrong with the barn. If we can each earn 20+ points every other turn (set up a farmer, join a farmer and play a pig on the join in tile), why would one of us stop doing that and go back to moves that might be worth 2-3 points per turn on average, like building cities or roads? We would both have to spend the rest of the game joining and rejoining farmers.
 
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