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Notice that both Magic cards listed were resource accelerators. The strongest LotR LCG card currently in print is Steward of Gondor. Coincidence?


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Come on guys...the simplest explanation is that they've had routine delays and that this event is an attempt to get a quick limited early shipment out while the rest ship more slowly through normal. The idea that this is some sort of cruel Machiavellian business scheme by FFG is ridiculous - delays reduce sales and deflate hype; it would be self-destructive. It's pretty obvious that the way to maximize profits would be to get it out within a month, and I'm sure FFG is aware of that.
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I find it disturbingly deliciously paranoid

FTFY. C'mon, man, conspiracy theories are fun.

Also, don't assume this delay and the recent killing of bin Laden are unrelated events. I may have said too much.

(Seriously, I agree with you. WTF are people smoking? The constant barrage of inanity on display in this game's forums made me unsubscribe.)
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waddball wrote:
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I find it disturbingly deliciously paranoid

FTFY. C'mon, man, conspiracy theories are fun.


I actually wrote 'deliciously' originally, but changed it when I realized that I didn't really find these rants delicious.
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I love this game, but this sneak preview event creates a feeling of exclusion and disappointment, and that's lame, even if the event would be very cool to attend for those geographically lucky few.


You can up your chances of being "lucky" by asking your FLGS to get this promo. They often pay attention to customer requests.


I agree of course with what you're saying, but knowing my local game store, I believe I'm being perfectly rational by simply realizing and understanding they almost for certain won't be applying. We have no idea how many stores FFG will allow to participate, but my LGS has really only ever held M:TG or YuGiOh events. There is always a small chance they would app, but I really doubt it would happen, and I accept that fact without any hard feelings or nerdrage, I just predict myself feeling a little left out when other people talk about having attended the event at their LGS or wherever come June 10-12th and all of the new cards get spoiled.
 
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im interested in the game, why do i have to buy multiple core sets?


You don't have to unless you're intent on some serious deck-building.
 
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Come on guys...the simplest explanation is that they've had routine delays and that this event is an attempt to get a quick limited early shipment out while the rest ship more slowly through normal. The idea that this is some sort of cruel Machiavellian business scheme by FFG is ridiculous - delays reduce sales and deflate hype; it would be self-destructive. It's pretty obvious that the way to maximize profits would be to get it out within a month, and I'm sure FFG is aware of that.


Except that the kit cost games stores 8/pack +shipping, and at least in the way they are billing it at their site, the kit is supposed to be for demo purposes rather. -- so will retailers be able to sell them, and will they be able to sell opened packs at new prices? I know if I went to a store listed on FFG site for the demo, I would expect to be able to see open packs, and not expect to be told that the packs were instantly sold when they came in...

If the goal was to get a quick limited shipment out, the cost/pack to the retailers seems higher than I would have figured on a regular basis, and the retailers wouldnt open the packs and decrease their sales value. Maybe with supply and demand, the value will still be high -- but if not a cruel business scheme, it makes no sense, and I guess I would give them credit for coming up with a cruel business scheme as opposed to having no sense.
 
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There may or may not have been legitimate production delays. What we do know is that FF has hyped the first adventure pack for months. When a company hypes something, expectation builds. When there are delays one way or another, there will be disappointment. I am not saying all criticism towards FF is valid, but what I am saying is by stoking expectation the reaction has to be expected.

So I am not sure the purpose of this preview event other than to try and hype the release further. I personally would not want to go to the event, get excited by seeing the cards and then find out the store was indeed selling those packs, but they were already sold/reserved for the regulars of the store.

I am not demonizing FF for trying to maximize profit, but as a customer I am disappointed that the pack has been delayed and even worse that some exclusive people will get it ahead of time.
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The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game » Forums » News
Re: FFG news: The Hunt for Gollum Expands
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I guess to make it easier it seems. I bought the core set and won't be buying another. I'll enjoy it like this and with the expansions. As of right now I only play solo.


In our opinion, the core set provides a *great* experience (YMMV) for under $39.95, allowing players like the one above to enjoy the experience without further cost, and allows dedicated players to expand should they choose to do so.

I realize there are some differing opinions on this. Know this: FFG had a choice of providing a more narrow replay experience (with fewer card types but more of each card) or a broader experience (with more card diversity and re-playability). For our LCG core sets, we choose the latter. There is no conspiracy, it is a choice between a retail price point, diversity, and card counts. Players who want to maximize every option can, at a very competitive cost, by getting additional core sets to increase the player count and number of cards. Casual players, or people who just want to sample the experience, can do so at a very reasonable cost. Since dedicated players are the ones likely to purchase expansions, we make 3 of every player card available in these monthly release.

With four different spheres, there are many different combinations and abilities to customize decks in the core set alone. Of course it won't yet compare to other LCG's which have years of support. Also, the LOTR LCG gameplay is a very different game style from anything on the market at this point. Yet, it will be supported vigorously and the diversity will quickly increase. We are working on great content for 2012 already, and I think you'll love what we are releasing in 4Q.

In terms of timing. The LOTR core set hit retail shops towards the end of April, and we expect to ship the first expansion within roughly 60-70 days of that date (barring unforeseen events) and monthly thereafter (with some small gaps between 6-pack cycles). While I understand, and appreciate there are many folks eager for this to happen sooner, I don't think this window is egregiously long or somehow indicative of FFG dropping the ball. In fact, we get severe complaints when we solicit these decks early (i.e. before the core set ships) which is necessary to do in order to properly inform the global wholesale marketplace of the upcoming product as soon as possible. Damned if we do...

The game is a huge success for FFG (and for our international partners, especially in Germany, Spain, and France) and we're having a ton of fun playing it in the office. We're flying a few hundred "Hunt for Gollum" decks into the country early for this event, so that players can see the new cards and quest even earlier than we had planned and meet other enthusiasts in a FLGS. Being angry at this event is quite silly, as it will be great fun, and has no bearing on the main delivery of the expansions.

Take this information as you will. They are the facts as I know them, and decisions made as we see best for everyone.

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Take this information as you will. They are the facts as I know them, and decisions made as we see best for everyone.

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Christian
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Thanks for the information. Great to get a reply straight from the source. Very interesting to hear about complaints for releasing decks too early. Seems like you can't win in that regard.
 
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Thanks, Christian.

Anyone who's thinking about it clearly can see that FFG has supported other LCGs consistently and steadily, so there's no reason to assume anything different will come from a blockbuster title like this one. How long did people wait for a 22-card RftG expansion? Once these start, we'll have a lot to look forward to each month.
 
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Don't hide it, Christian. We know the truth. The Hunt for Gollum expansion was delayed because the elevated river levels on the Mississippi made it impossible to ship a barge full of "cardboard crack" from Minneapolis to the printer. Since you don't want to release cards without a healthy coating of "gamer candy" (a.k.a. the opiate of the BGG masses), you had no choice but to delay the expansion.
 
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Peter has the best advice of the thread. Give the other LCGs a try during this downtime. They are great.
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We can go with the theme and fantasize some good reasons for the delay. In my fantasy they decide they hobbled the core set too much and decided they better get their crap togther on the next release

I am going to play Onirim - it has some fun decisions in it's solitaire mode
 
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We can go with the theme and fantasize some good reasons for the delay. In my fantasy they decide they hobbled the core set too much and decided they better get their crap togther on the next release

I am going to play Onirim - it has some fun decisions in it's solitaire mode


Onirim is great and it's excellent it came with expansions
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blackomatic wrote:
im interested in the game, why do i have to buy multiple core sets?


You don't have to unless you're intent on some serious deck-building.


Unless you want multiple copies of the best cards. (which is of course what we want).
 
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"FFG had a choice of providing a more narrow replay experience (with fewer card types but more of each card) or a broader experience (with more card diversity and re-playability). " - Christian

I think the majority would of been more happy with the first option. I would of preferred to get 3 Beorn cards in a later expansion.

Or if you had to sell multiple copies (for the new sports car), would of been nice if you could of done a Tatics/Spirit box and a Leadership/Lore box. Would not of minded paying for that (even if you did recycle same quest cards).
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I think the majority would of been more happy with the first option. I would of preferred to get 3 Beorn cards in a later expansion.



I know I wouldn't have been, I actually wish they had included less x3 and x2 cards and instead provided a greater number of different cards. Since you have to buy 3 cores for a playset anyway I would have much prefered distinct cards in each deck so I would have less wasted from 3 core set purchase.
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Players who want to maximize every option can, at a very competitive cost, by getting additional core sets to increase the player count and number of cards.

Christian
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I'm okay with every thing you said except that. How can you call $80 more for about 50 cards a competitive price?
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I think the majority would of been more happy with the first option.



I'm critical of some aspects FFGs distribution plan with this game (and also accept that - for the most part - that they're a short term issue anyway), but I disagree very strongly on this.

There's simply no way the majority of buyers would prefer the first option.


I could be wrong.

Seems to me its the best cards they only provide one copy of (i feel that forces you to collect additional sets). You don't think you are being taken for a ride?

In any case there is no way that was the only 2 options available to them. They clearly chose the option where they could milk their customers. (i could forgive them for milking us an extra set, but an extra 2 sets is what makes me mad.)


 
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goblin.77 wrote:
"FFG had a choice of providing a more narrow replay experience (with fewer card types but more of each card) or a broader experience (with more card diversity and re-playability). " - Christian

I think the majority would of been more happy with the first option. I would of preferred to get 3 Beorn cards in a later expansion.

Or if you had to sell multiple copies (for the new sports car), would of been nice if you could of done a Tatics/Spirit box and a Leadership/Lore box. Would not of minded paying for that (even if you did recycle same quest cards).


i'd rather the latter actually
 
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Seems to me its the best cards they only provide one copy of (i feel that forces you to collect additional sets). You don't think you are being taken for a ride?

The cynic in me feels you are probably onto something with that.

However, I do have to say that buying multiple sets is simply a poor format for this particular LCG compared to the other LCGs they've released. There's no two ways about it. But so what? If you don't like it, just buy one set. This isn't really made for competitive tournament play anyway.

If someone can't live with having the complete 3 cores even if it costs them a butt load of money and they have to throw 75% of the cards away, then they'd probably be better spending that cash on a psychiatrist imho...

Personally, I think even 2 core sets is a rip off, but no one's holding a gun to my head or anything...


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Competitive vs. cherry picking the cards you want and purchasing them as singles like in a normal CCG.

Although admitedly, trying to justify the whole situation by comparing it to CCGs is at least as inane.



hahahah so true about the psychiatrist thing!
 
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devaloki wrote:
goblin.77 wrote:
"FFG had a choice of providing a more narrow replay experience (with fewer card types but more of each card) or a broader experience (with more card diversity and re-playability). " - Christian

I think the majority would of been more happy with the first option. I would of preferred to get 3 Beorn cards in a later expansion.

Or if you had to sell multiple copies (for the new sports car), would of been nice if you could of done a Tatics/Spirit box and a Leadership/Lore box. Would not of minded paying for that (even if you did recycle same quest cards).


i'd rather the latter actually


The latter is what they did (or tried to do), according to Christian above.
 
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Including 3x of every card would mean either diluting the card diversity or jacking up the cost to probably around $60. I don't think anyone wants the first option, and the second one would have been good for hardcore collectors but bad for the general market who would never even consider buying two core sets.

However, it does seem that they should have included 2x of the cards that are singletons right now. When you exclude hero/quest/encounter cards that you don't need in multiples, that's only a handful of extra cards.

Of course, this will become less of an issue as the card pool expands.
 
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If they had gone all 1x, with an appropriate numerical increase in card diversity, I would have bought 3 core set for sure. As it is, I bought 2 sets, and will just have to suffer and/or proxy for the 3-4 cards I want three of.

I wonder if they designed the game to be max3/min50 just to be different from MtG? If they had gone max4/min60, and done all 2x in the core set, that would really have been optimal.
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