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Thanks, David. That clears it up!
 
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I'd say slightly different - the Crop-o-Dile does work on counters, but is less consistent and needs to be clamped shut hard, fast, and exactly the same each time. It's slower rotating the counter to the next corner too. It's just not as tough.
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Sounds like it's not much of an improvement over regular nail clippers.
 
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DJ Kuul A wrote:
Sounds like it's not much of an improvement over regular nail clippers.
The end result, if done properly, is as good as the Lybrary one. It's just harder to get that result consistently.
 
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I just ordered one.



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Wulf Corbett wrote:
I'd say slightly different - the Crop-o-Dile does work on counters, but is less consistent and needs to be clamped shut hard, fast, and exactly the same each time. It's slower rotating the counter to the next corner too. It's just not as tough.


Okay, so I do a lot of play aids and occasional game prototypes and a while back I wore out my wife's scrapbooking corner rounder. I bought one of the crop-o-dile's -- dual 1/2" and 1/4", and it seemed like the 1/2" side almost immediately started leaving "burrs" behind on laminated stuff, so I switched to the 1/4". Pretty soon after that the 1/4" would leave burrs behind as well.

So I decided to stop being a cheap bastard and spent money on the 3mm one based on recommendations in a different thread. Then after I'd already ordered that one, I noticed this thread and stuck my nose in. Couple of my grognard friends got to try it out and they thought it was interesting, but they're notoriously difficult to please. Also, we didn't know at the time you have to be really careful lining up smaller counters if you want them to come out even.

That's my whole story, for the record. I haven't had the 3mm one long enough to know how well it holds up, but others seem to have had good results so far.

-Dave
 
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etherton wrote:

Okay, so I do a lot of play aids and occasional game prototypes and a while back I wore out my wife's scrapbooking corner rounder. I bought one of the crop-o-dile's -- dual 1/2" and 1/4", and it seemed like the 1/2" side almost immediately started leaving "burrs" behind on laminated stuff, so I switched to the 1/4". Pretty soon after that the 1/4" would leave burrs behind as well.

-Dave


The best way to sharpen those types of cutters is to cut through some thin aluminum. Cut apart a clean aluminum can and flatten it out. After a few cuts, your cutter blade should be in much better shape.

Sounds crazy, but it works.

Haven't tried it on my new 3mm cutter, I'll report on it if/when the need arises.

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big_ragu wrote:
The best way to sharpen those types of cutters is to cut through some thin aluminum. Cut apart a clean aluminum can and flatten it out. After a few cuts, your cutter blade should be in much better shape.

Sounds crazy, but it works.

Haven't tried it on my new 3mm cutter, I'll report on it if/when the need arises.


I've tried both foil and cans. Not sure either one helped much but of course YMMV.

-Dave
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Fell to the peer pressure. I hate you guys.
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Wouldn't this be better? whistle


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etherton wrote:
Couple of my grognard friends got to try it out and they thought it was interesting, but they're notoriously difficult to please.


We're easy to please, so long as your proposals are both Canonical and without flaw.
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I ordered the Oregon Laminations corner clipper and received it yesterday. Here is a quick review and first impressions write up.

I got a copy of Band of Brothers: Screaming Eagles recently and was holding off on punching the counters until these new clippers arrived. With new clippers and 3 sheets of unpunched BoB counters in hand, I sat down last night to give them a try.

To give some context, BoB is my first hex & counter based game and this was my first effort at counter clipping. I know there is some debate on whether or not counters need to be clipped. After punching my BoB counters out, I'm not sure I understand why you would NOT clip counters. BoB counters seem to be of pretty good quality and the corners were a mess even though I was really careful when punching them out.

With everything punched out, I flipped on the TV and started clipping. First impressions of the tool is it is sturdy. The corner guide built into the tool is really helpful and makes clipping a no brainer. Given I have never clipped counters before, I wanted to do a test first. Fortunately, BoB has a sheet where half the counters are blank. I took a couple of those out and practiced. It was easy and the results were awesome. After a couple I found a rhythm and felt confident enough to move on to the real counters. I cranked through the larger counters pretty quickly. It took me, a total clipping newb, about an hour to do the German and American armies, and Foxhole/general info counters. Not bad in my mind. Next were the small move, suppression, and Op Fire counters. By this time, I had developed a good rhythm from clipping the larger counters and jumped right in with the same technique. Right away I realized you need to take more time on small counters. Especially on the last couple of corners. Because of their smaller size, there is less surface area on the sides of the counter in contact with the tools right angle alignment guide. This allows the counter to float a bit left to right, meaning you can move/rotate it just enough and in such a way that the exact corner of the counter isn't aligned under the clipper head, which can lead to a mis-clip if you aren't careful. I learned this kind of the hard way with two of the smaller counters. They aren't unusable in any way but don't look as good as the other counters because one corner is rounded differently than the other 3. I have some other tips but I'll save that for later. Even with the additional care needed, I think I did the sheet of small counters in a hour. After two hours of clipping, I had quite a nice little pile of corner shavings in front of me, a sore hand, and a REALLY nice looking set of rounded counters. I'm sure the other options available such as the C4, nail clippers, etc. would also produce great results but for me these worked great, were worth the investment, and will stay in my game toolkit for years to come.

Tips:
-Before first use, tighten the nuts on the outside of the tool up near the clipper head. Someone else on this thread mentioned that one of these popped off at some point during their clipping. Mine did the same. I was sitting on the couch and almost lost it into the seat cushion abyss forever.
-Your hand will get sore so take frequent breaks. After two hours the palm of my right hand was pretty sore.
-At first I was worried about clippings fouling things up so I was clearing it out after each clip. After a while I figured out this didn't really seem necessary.
-For larger counters a quick clipping speed seemed to work best. For smaller counters it was opposite. A slower clipping speed seemed to work best.
-As mentioned above, take extra care to align the smaller counters. For me, instead of wedging the counter into the corner of the alignment guide as I had done on the bigger counters, I picked one side of the alignment head and held the sides of the smaller counters against that side for each corner clip. It seemed to produce the best results. Just slow down a bit when doing smaller counters and you should be fine.
-The opening to the right angle guide on the front of the clipper is not flexible in any way so there is a limit to the thickness of counters you can clip with the tool. As others have indicated, be aware of this and don't force a thick counter in the opening or you risk damaging the counter.
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Hm, you'll need to change your avatar then - it's not clipped...

Just ordered mine a couple of minutes ago. Let's see how fast USPS is shipping these across the Atlantic.
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I got mine and I don't really have time to try it much, but...

Maybe I got a dud?

I tried testing on the extra counters from Phantom fury and not only is my corner not nice and round, but the tool leaves nasty marks on my counters as I insert them and remove them!

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adorablerocket wrote:
I tried testing on the extra counters from Phantom fury and not only is my corner not nice and round, but the tool leaves nasty marks on my counters as I insert them and remove them!


There may be some oil you have to wipe off if that's what is making the marks.

When I use it, I make sure I orient it so the hole is pointed up so I can see the counter go in. The counter should be back side up when holding it like this. Make sure you see the corner to be trimmed and it is in there straight before clipping.
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Sorry to hear that Matt. I've done about 500 counters now with no issues at all.


You did order the : Oregon Laminations Premium Model number: CR3MM ?
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Re: Implementing the Perfect Solution... to counter clipping
I ordered from the Amazon link and got a product from Oregon Laminations, I'll have to check the product number later.

I was surprised to see the extremely cheap looking, "made in china" box the clipper itself came in (with a picture of clipping the corners on a credit card... um, what exactly is this product designed for?)

However I'm also willing to believe Phantom Fury has unusually thick counters, so I'm going to try with BoB like someone else here recommended...
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I believe they were designed for trimming laminated badges (ID badges, convention badges, etc). Clipping wargame counters is NOT what they were designed for

The "craft" type cutters were designed for cardstock and paper. They are cheaper but don't work nearly as well on gaming counters.

I did have a little bit of trouble with U Boat Leader, as it has thick glossy counters. I scraped the faces of a couple until I figured out a slower, more careful rhythm. I was able to do the rest of them without any trouble- though it did take longer.
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I updated my post containing a review of the tool with the following...

-The opening to the right angle guide on the front of the clipper is not flexible in any way so there is a limit to the thickness of counters you can clip with the tool. As others have indicated, be aware of this and don't force a thick counter in the opening or you risk damaging the counter.
 
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I bought the Crop-A-Dile Corner Chomper to clip counters and I was underwhelmed. They are great for scrap-booking and not much else. If your counters are moderately thick, the results won't be good. Also, the sharpness got gradually worst in a short period of use. soblue

I gave up on counter clipping because I don't have the patience nor time. Just cutting the counters from the sheets takes long enough.
 
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I gave up on counter clipping because I don't have the patience nor time. Just cutting the counters from the sheets takes long enough.

I don't bother cutting counters from the sheet if I plan to clip them afterwards. I just tear them carefully. Unless they don't come out easily and there is a risk of really damaging them, but most contemporary games from top publishers can be torn safely and then clipped.
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Good to know. thumbsup
 
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etherton wrote:
CWattie wrote:
In the US, do you think a local store would carry something like this tool? If so, thoughts on where...michaels, scrapbook store, etc.?

Thanks...


You can certainly find corner rounders in Michael's etc but they may be more "light duty" for scrapbooking and might not work so well for counters.

-Dave


I did a walkthrough of Michaels and the smallest corner rounder they had was 1/4 inch - much to big for what we want. It is possible that a store like Archivers may have something.

Also - heads up on the Oregen Lamination tool - it does have a bit of machine grease on it - so run through some dummy/expendable counters for the first 10-15 or so clips.
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I'm now officially a counter clipper. No more woolly corners! The counter-clipper is great!
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Thumbs up and gold tip to both Jeff and Rich. The clipper they recommended worked great. The results looked very professional. C4 (counter culture corner cutter) is faster so if I had a huge number to do I would be tempted to go that route. On the other hand, C4 does require some coordination (that ability to walk and chew gum at the same time ). The clipper recommended by Jeff and Rich is pretty foolproof (I checked...)
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