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Garfink wrote:

Some of his collection is now my collection: Wolfgang kindly sold to me Korsun Pocket & Second Front!


Well, let's say I sold you the games I had two copies of.

Surely I still have my Korsun Pocket and my full Europa - Games - line.

But I'm still happy that the games found a new home with a gamer inside

And I could get my copies of Totaler Krieg and Dai Senso - so I'm happy.

And I have a fresh cup of coffee next to me - which makes me even happier. laugh
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Alphawolf wrote:
Garfink wrote:

Some of his collection is now my collection: Wolfgang kindly sold to me Korsun Pocket & Second Front!


Well, let's say I sold you the games I had two copies of.

Surely I still have my Korsun Pocket and my full Europa - Games - line.

But I'm still happy that the games found a new home with a gamer inside

And I could get my copies of Totaler Krieg and Dai Senso - so I'm happy.

And I have a fresh cup of coffee next to me - which makes me even happier. laugh


Hmmm....comrade, your reported number of games at 468 is highly suspicious.cool
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Alphawolf wrote:
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Very nice collection, but 13 copies of [thing=35612][/thing wrote:
Is that correct?

he is cornering the market...


Where do you see that I have 13 copies (which I haven't)? When I look at my collection I only see what I have but no numbers...

I've done with "owning more copies because you can sell it later for a profit" long time ago. Games are for playing and shilling out a lot of bucks for the future - nay.


And I have benefited for this new found bit of wisdom... Thanks Wolfgang.
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To that path led madness


Really? Who would 'a thunk it?
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I couldn't imagine limiting my collection. Every game has a story to tell and is interesting in it's own way. I do wish I could get rid of my duplicate and triplicate copies though. I need the shelf space!
I hate selling on e-bay.
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charlescab wrote:
5) Twilight Struggle- to cover more recent events, and political control




The man said war games!
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charlescab wrote:
5) Twilight Struggle- to cover more recent events, and political control




The man said war games!

He just meant it's a cover for his 20th century wargames.
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Why on earth would you want to do this?

Life is about the journey, not the destination!
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nix342 wrote:
Why on earth would you want to do this?

Life is about the journey, not the destination!


I think the OP should be suspicious of this post. It sounds as if Nick is trying to create a fog of war type situation that will allow him to move around the OP's flank and raid his new war game collection before the defensive works can be properly built and manned...
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Buy until you never again say "I'm bored with these games and need something new". Or until you die. Whatever. I'm not sure it's a goal worth striving for.
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aiabx wrote:
Buy until you never again say "I'm bored with these games and need something new". Or until you die. Whatever. I'm not sure it's a goal worth striving for.

The OP was pretty general, but I believe the spirit of the question isn't as depressing as you guys seem to think.

What's wrong with: Of the wargames in existence, which (insert number) best represent the hobby.
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The OP was pretty general, but I believe the spirit of the question isn't as depressing as you guys seem to think.

What's wrong with: Of the wargames in existence, which (insert number) best represent the hobby.[/q]

You have a point but I still think even many "bad games" have interesting nuggets in them. Whether it's a neat map or an unusual topic.
I guess I don't come at it quite from a player's viewpoint, more of a collector's
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Sitnam wrote:
The best games with the most diverse mechanics and theme, without redundancy I can think of is:

Paths of Glory
Hammer of the Scots
ASL (or Up Front)
Napoleon's Triumph
Fields of Fire
Here I Stand
Eastfront (or No Retreat!)
Sekigahara
Wings of War
Space Hulk

Wow, I think that Top10 list just about covers it, eh? Operational/Strategic, Blocks, Tactical, Solitaire, Aerial, Sci-fi, Asian Feudal, Napoleonic, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. Bravo!

Just about the only things I can think of not covered are Ancients, Political, and Cold War. If you could extend this to a Top12 list, I'd add Commands & Colors: Ancients or Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage and Twilight Struggle or Labyrinth: The War on Terror, 2001 - ?.
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fatgreta wrote:
charlescab wrote:
5) Twilight Struggle- to cover more recent events, and political control

The man said war games!

And you probably think no one was killed during the Cold War, right? Probably never heard of a proxy war either. What a bonehead.

EDIT: Ugh, have you ever had one of those times when you wish you hadn't said something? Well, this is one of those times. My apologies.
 
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Largo68 wrote:
What a bonehead.


Might I ask, what do you base that on?
 
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Tactical & Grand Tactical, potentially multi-player depending on scenario:

Squad Leader + Cross of Iron - AH
The Devil's Cauldron + Where Eagles Dare - MMP

Ack, don't waste your time with grand tactical games -- in the time it would take to just get your feet wet with those monsters, you could enjoy a half dozen better tactical games at half the cost. Seriously, have you priced The Devil's Cauldron: The Battles for Arnhem and Nijmegen lately?!? Jeez.
 
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Re: How would you build a "complete" wargame collection with the fewest games possible?
fatgreta wrote:
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And you probably think no one was killed during the Cold War, right? Probably never heard of a proxy war either. What a bonehead.

Might I ask, what do you base that on?

All I'm saying is if I had a nickel for every time someone on this site said Twilight Struggle is NOT a war game, I wouldn't have to go into work tomorrow.

This post is about covering the vast domain of war games with the fewest number of actual games, a question I find to be very intriguing. But, some folks seem to have a very narrow understanding of what war is. Wars don't always involve a declaration of war; they don't always involve opposing forces meeting head-to-head on a battlefield. And they certainly don't always involve hexagons. Times have changed, and so have the games.

I think it is a disservice to the OP and the readers of this post to blithely dismiss an entire sub-section of the war game genre by taking the hard line stance of an old school grognard. That's all I'm saying.
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Largo68 wrote:
fatgreta wrote:
Largo68 wrote:
And you probably think no one was killed during the Cold War, right? Probably never heard of a proxy war either. What a bonehead.

Might I ask, what do you base that on?

All I'm saying is if I had a nickel for every time someone on this site said Twilight Struggle is NOT a war game, I wouldn't have to go into work tomorrow.

This post is about covering the vast domain of war games with the fewest number of actual games, a question I find to be very intriguing. But, some folks seem to have a very narrow understanding of what war is. Wars don't always involve a declaration of war; they don't always involve opposing forces meeting head-to-head on a battlefield. And they certainly don't always involve hexagons. Times have changed, and so have the games.

I think it is a disservice to the OP and the readers of this post to blithely dismiss an entire sub-section of the war game genre by taking the hard line stance of an old school grognard. That's all I'm saying.


Well then why didn't you say that, instead of flinging a baseless and unnecessary insult at me? Even better, rather than assuming that I was doing what you say I was doing (as opposed to, for instance, ribbing a friend of mine) why not ask?
 
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Oldwargamer wrote:
I couldn't imagine limiting my collection. Every game has a story to tell and is interesting in it's own way. I do wish I could get rid of my duplicate and triplicate copies though. I need the shelf space!
I hate selling on e-bay.


Well, sell some to me. The benefits:

- This is not ebay
- They go to a good home with other wargames as company.
- They will get played.

OK, if you are looking for gettin' the most pay out of your games, having a buddy "helping" you raisin' the price - good luck with ebay.

Otherwise: SPI / AH are always welcome. Just let me know about your "duplicate / triplicate" and I might help you gettin' space laugh
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Garfink wrote:


Show off!(sorry just envious.)
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enlightenedknave wrote:
Garfink wrote:


Show off!(sorry just envious.)


That's okay, I am showing off, but also I know that only people of taste and intellect and with similar levels insanity would appreciate it.

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Garfink wrote:
enlightenedknave wrote:
Garfink wrote:


Show off!(sorry just envious.)


That's okay, I am showing off, but also I know that only people of taste and intellect and with similar levels insanity would appreciate it.



I appreciate it.laugh
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I try to put together a list of wargames that have different mechanics/themes that I have played and liked or I have read really good reviews about from people's whose opinions I respect.

I present:

Hannibal Rome vs Carthage
Caesar at Alesia
Crusader Rex
Empires in Arms
Napoleon at Bay
Napoleon's Triumph
We the People / Washington's War
Civil War
Roads to Gettysburg
Terrible Swift Sword
Victory in the Pacific
Breakout Normandy
Anzio
Bitter Woods (4ed)
Panzerkrieg
DAK2
Stalingrad Pocket II
Case Blue
Squad Leader + Cross of Iron
Up Front
Korea (VG)
7th Fleet

And if you consider these as wargames (I do):

Freedom in the Galaxy
Titan
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red black wrote:
Buy a small number of the highest rated wargames at the end of the year and look to sell the wargames you haven't played in the past year...
I've recently ended my quest for the complete collection: I'll never have time to play everything and owning games I won't ever play doesn't appeal to me anymore. It's like owning a car I'll never drive, or a book I'll never read, or a suit I'll never wear, or a ...I've made my point.

Nothing wrong with collecting. Just once I realized I wasn't going to stop buying, I decided to keep only the games I wanted to play and probably would.

I'm not there yet, but I'm getting there. Buying a small number of games at the end of the year and selling what you haven't played is a good plan. So good, I tipped it!





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Since what wargamers do is a journey and not a destination, my version of the answer to your question is with very broad strokes - in no particular order.

Sabin's book Lost Battles - describes an interesting high level abstract square grid system. With this book, you can't help but order his new book that just came out, and you can't help but be tempted to order his game, which is just too expensive, but looks beautiful. Also, you are led to order numerous used books that describe fighting in ancient times.

Pathfinder Beginner Box - An inexpensive but high production well written beginning into the D&D world. Computer games are solitaire. Traditional war games are for two players, this is what one might consider for a small group.

3 plains - A free miniatures game that is a labor of love and must be checked out.

Burma - A not very expensive way to learn a real (heavy) war game system called Operational Combat Series. Having such a game will in turn lead into the procurement of a counter clipping machine and a heavy sheet of glass to cover the map on a table or desk. I bought Burma from Naval Warfare Simulations (NWS) for a very fair price. They were a little late to fill the order, so to make it right, they threw in an Airborne Assault PC game.

Airborne Assault - The Highway to the Reich. For its time an excellent, deep computer war game that does not use hexes. The command system is fluid and with numerous tutorials and on-line material, the game can be learned in a week or two (vastly superior to the true board games). This game was the predecessor to the very expensive Matrix Command-Ops series. NEWSFLASH.. Matrix recently lowered their price to the Command-Ops games and NWS carries them for even less. And the new version of Highway to the Reich was just released as an expansion to their Bulge game. Needless to say, I spent my money and am waiting for more to arrive.

BattleLore - A very high production fantasy war game that leads to the painting of miniatures and some possible wood working to base the pieces. It also leads to the Command and Colors system which will require the procurement of Ancients and Napoleonics.



Total War Shogun 2 - Computer fun and eye candy that can be bought at Amazon's for less than 25 bucks. Can't go wrong with that...

EDIT -- And I can't believe that I left off Combat Commander : Europe -- I've played that tutorial about 5 times now and am almost ready to try it for real!!

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