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I never played diplomacy but im sure id love it! the playing time is tooooo long though. Id love a cuttthroat, trick talking, alliance breaking game to add to my collection that would actually get played.

Lifeboat looks fun though im sure theres better ones out there.

What do you guys think? does what im asking for exist?


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moses beard wrote:

I never played diplomacy but im sure id love it! the playing time is tooooo long though. Id love a cuttthroat, trick talking, alliance breaking game to add to my collection that would actually get played.

Lifeboat looks fun though im sure theres better ones out there.

What do you guys think? does what im asking for exist?




Rex: Final Days of an Empire

That might work for you.

Battle Star Galactica might take longer, I'm not sure, but that could be fun too.
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Check out Intrigue
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Santiago can get pretty brutal and cut-throat for an innocent-looking game that's supposedly about farming. This is coming from a guy who used to own & enjoy Dip.
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Cosmic Encounter. It has shifting alliances with other players, backstabbing, randomness, and plenty of room for clever play. And it has a space theme to boot!
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Lifeboats is the reason I'll never play diplomacy... I get more angry playing that game than any other I own lol. It also plays right at or under an hour and a half!
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Cyclades !!!
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scifiantihero wrote:
moses beard wrote:

I never played diplomacy but im sure id love it! the playing time is tooooo long though. Id love a cuttthroat, trick talking, alliance breaking game to add to my collection that would actually get played.

Lifeboat looks fun though im sure theres better ones out there.

What do you guys think? does what im asking for exist?




Rex: Final Days of an Empire

That might work for you.

Battle Star Galactica might take longer, I'm not sure, but that could be fun too.


There is almost no diplomacy in BSG. I love the game but while there's some limited/epic backstabbing (with the cylon) there's no diplomacy.
 
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Quo Vadis? Knizia's Roman Senate deal-making/backstabbing game
So Long Sucker John Nash game of negotiation & bruised feelings
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The Resistance
For me the best in trick talking and treason... and also some diplomacy element!

Maybe you could check also Senji, but roughly fit in your time-slot.
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Note sure what you mean by "epic" but here are some choices:

Survive: Escape from Atlantis! - up for reprint in April

Cutthroat Caverns

Dice Town - not really treasonous but lots of lying, bluffing and smack talking
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Don't forget that Rex: Final Days of an Empire is basically the same game as Dune. You can do a print-and-play of Dune if you don't want to wait for Rex. Either way, it's got oodles of diplomacy and backstabbing, and is a great match. I recently finished a Dune print-and-play using Scott Evert's great re-design Scott's Dune Build.

Cosmic Encounter is a good recommendation, but you can't directly choose whom you're going to attack, so it's considerably less vicious than it could otherwise have been.

Survive: Escape From Atlantis is another good recommendation, you basically need to push everyone off the boat so your folks can get on it. If you fail, then send some monster to eat them!

Last recommendation: Illuminati. I broke a few friendships in high school with that one.

Have fun!
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A Game of Thrones?
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Second A Game of Thrones: The Board Game (Second Edition). It likely would take 2-3 hours, but still much shorter than Diplomacy.
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Intrigue looks like the best one so far, although its theme is drier than a dessert, but i guess its all gameplay.


How is Lifeboat? Its it horribly unbalanced? Or should i just get this game?


and continue with the recommendations

Thank you guys a ton!
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Re: are there any epic cuttthroat games like diplomacy that are under 1.5 hours?
Mixo wrote:


Second this.

Our group likes this one and we are also looking into playing Diplomacy sometime. We just haven't got around to organising some time for it (Diplomacy).

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moses beard wrote:

How is Lifeboat?


You don't want Lifeboat, you want Lifeboats.
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He's a semi-aquatic egg-laying mammal of action. He's a furry little flat-foot who'll never flinch from a fray. He's got more than just mad skills, he's got a beaver tail and a bill.
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AnyMouse wrote:
moses beard wrote:

How is Lifeboat?


You don't want Lifeboat, you want Lifeboats.


What about Lifeboat though?
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Senji. Negotiation, combat and backstabbery that actually plays quite close to the 90 minute mark even with a full complement of players.

I mean really, what better kind of backstabbing is there than killing off an opponent's family member you're holding hostage if he attacks you (netting them lost points and the realization that someone in their alliance betrayed them...)?

Edit: Saw it was already mentioned above so just consider this a +1 for Senji.
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Vantastic wrote:
Senji Saw it was already mentioned above so just consider this a +1 for Senji.

+2 because it fits the 'epic in 1.5 hours' criteria as well as the backstabbing, etc.
Intrigue is great, but I wouldn't call it epic.
 
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I'd back LIFEBOATS as probably the most backstabbery you can fit into a game of that complexity level and timeframe, BUT Midgard and The Bridges of Shangri-La are on a par with it - like LIFEBOATS, their mechanics strongly encourage players to work together or at least stay in guarded neutrality to a certain extent but have only 1 decisive winner - basically , each is a solid hour of

- building up your holdings/grabbing a piece of the pie for yourself
- putting the yoink on opponent's holdings, or trying to grab some of their pie
- looking on in shock and horror as they do the same to you, or watching them take your pie
- trying to anticipate exactly who's coming after exactly what so you can head them off or at least beat them to the punch
- desperately hoping that when all is said and done, you end up grabbing and holding more pie than your opponent's pies are held - I mean - umm, okay, don't mix metaphors, that's my real point here...

Seriously - they're both solid, simple, short, and require mucho negotiation and backstabbing to get through.
 
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