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To our Imperial Market Overlords....

Pssst: BGG is the smallest game market out there and you want it to become the gold standard for all markets? Nice try.

dboeren wrote:
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I honestly can't understand why anyone would pay more for a game they could straight-up purchase cheaper elsewhere.


Amen. And yet I constantly see used games for sale or for auction here on BGG which are about or above the price of a brand new game (with shipping taken into account). It's so frustrating. And people BUY them! Hey, you guys are ruining the market for the rest of us who want a rational system where used stuff costs less than new stuff!

I understand paying a premium for things that are OOP and in demand, but if I can buy a brand new copy for $32 then your used copy had better be significantly less than that.
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n8meyer wrote:
Come on dude be cool, don't personally attack a guy whose biggest fault is that he publicly posted a frustration that we have all doubtlessly felt.


Personal attack? Not at all. Just an observation based on his behavior.

How you handle losing says a lot about your personality. It doesn't matter if it's a game, an auction or getting the last piece of pizza.

If I lose a game because someone has a different strategy than I do and they swoop in at the last minute for the win, I may get frustrated as well. But that doesn't mean I start calling them clowns and complaining that I'm never going to play that game again.

That's all sniping is... a different strategy in the real world game of ebay auctions. It doesn't matter if it's a person sitting there ready to hit enter, or a program.
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I sympathize with the OP and that's the reason I don't buy anything off eBay. I don't even browse there.

Nor am I interested in selling there, since not a single user is willing to read item descriptions and not bombard you with emails asking all kinds of stupid crap. eBay's a cesspool.
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YMMV, as I have had over 3500 successful transactions on eBay. Apart from someone trying to scam me back in 1995, I have never had an issue being either a buyer or seller. One person's cesspool is another's diamond farm.
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darthhugo wrote:
One person's cesspool is another's diamond farm.


Haha

I am a fan of Ebay, but an even bigger fan of Amazon.
 
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I had used ebay to buy some things before, but never on an auction. So I saw a game that would go well with a school club and it was at a low price. I set a price ten bucks higher than the current bid (4 bucks) and no movement occurred for two or three days and I had the high bid. 25 seconds before it closed someone outbid, I hurriedly bid again, they outbid, and before I could raise it it ended. I assume it was some program that did it for someone. I guess I'm just naive, but I'll leave ebay auctions (and ebay for that matter) to the clowns who don't place any bids till their program lets them snipe it away at the last second.


So, you just discovered the internet? Enter the amount you're willing to pay. If you keep bumping your bid to the lowest possible bid to try and get a deal you deserve to lose.
 
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This was so funny to have just happened, I had to run right over and post it. There is an iPad case I have been wanting, but it is out of stock or back ordered everywhere, so where is a body to go, but eBay? I found one auction for it, with a BIN price of $75.00, the MSRP is $119.00 and $75.00 is an average online price. I decided to ask the seller if they had it on hand and make sure it was not a drop ship or resell item, since they were out of stock everywhere and even back ordered manufacturer direct. They responded that they had it ready to ship, so I responded that I could not find it anywhere else right now so I would just pop out and BIN. Guess what? When I went back to the auction they had dropped the BIN. Normally this would be something that just prompted me to move on, but this was one of those times I decided to play along, because I want this particular case, and figured why not try and pick it up on the cheap. So I bid $40, not expecting to win, and I just happened to be near my naked iPad when I heard the new message beep. Knowing the auction was ending, I decided to take a look at what the winning bid was. To my surprise it was only an out bid notice with 1:37 left to go in the auction, so I logged in put in $50 and clicked submit at the :15 mark and picked it up for $46.99. Not bad considering I was going to BIN at $75 only hours before. Now I need to start a recommendation thread to see what to do with the $28.01 the seller outfoxed himself out of, if that makes sense.
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Vistathon wrote:

My only frustrations with Ebay are -
a) being charged to list
b) being charged at auction end
c) being charged when somebody pays through Paypal when they don't already have money in their account? How's that my problem?

Everything else is fair game



I mostly start all my auctions at a penny with no reserve (even for items worth hundreds). They tend to get where they need to in any case and it keeps the listing fees down.
 
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Bimm wrote:

I mostly start all my auctions at a penny with no reserve (even for items worth hundreds). They tend to get where they need to in any case and it keeps the listing fees down.


Are you listing more than 50 items a month?

The first 50 listings are free each month for auction-style items. I'm not sure when that changed--it's been a good few years since I last sold anything on Ebay--but I was looking to doing some selling and noted the lack of listing fees and rise in final value fees.
 
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Bimm wrote:
I mostly start all my auctions at a penny with no reserve (even for items worth hundreds). They tend to get where they need to in any case and it keeps the listing fees down.

This is smart, as I noticed people get invested in these auctions when they get to initially bid low.
 
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There is a lot of better reasons for not using eBay than the auction style.

For one, I'd never use eBay to sell anything ever again. As now that eBay and PayPal are attached. My wife sold some Yoga clothes the other day, and the lady who bought them didn't want them so she poked a hole in the top. My wife refused to refund her money, so she opened up a case and they allowed it and charged back the shipping and cost of the item from my wife's account totally against her will. So now she is out shipping, the final value costs, and is stuck with a ruined top. They used to say that they were only about bringing sellers to buyers, but now they are strong arming sellers like never before.

I'll never use eBay again, and for much better reasons.
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MWChapel wrote:
There is a lot of better reasons for not using eBay than the auction style. [...] They used to say that they were only about bringing sellers to buyers, but now they are strong arming sellers like never before.


You're not the only one: http://consumerist.com/2012/02/how-i-lost-470-to-a-vindictiv...
 
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MWChapel wrote:

For one, I'd never use eBay to sell anything ever again. As now that eBay and PayPal are attached. My wife sold some Yoga clothes the other day, and the lady who bought them didn't want them so she poked a hole in the top. My wife refused to refund her money, so she opened up a case and they allowed it and charged back the shipping and cost of the item from my wife's account totally against her will. So now she is out shipping, the final value costs, and is stuck with a ruined top. They used to say that they were only about bringing sellers to buyers, but now they are strong arming sellers like never before.


And if she sold through her own web store and sent a damaged top the chargeback would still occur. (Yes, she can claim it wasn't damaged when sent. She can be correct in her claim. It won't matter.)

Why do people seem to think that using Ebay and PayPal means that they aren't going to be subject to the same sort of risks that a seller with a merchant account has?

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Same situation. Sell those coins from a web store with a merchant account, deliver an empty envelope, and the chargeback will be granted to the buyer.
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Vistathon wrote:

My only frustrations with Ebay are -
a) being charged to list
b) being charged at auction end
c) being charged when somebody pays through Paypal when they don't already have money in their account? How's that my problem?

Everything else is fair game



When someone pays by Paypal, that is not eBay - that is Paypal. Just like if someone sent you money for a BGG Marketplace order, Paypal will still take their cut

Your frustrations sound like someone who is upset they have to pay for a cover charge at a club and then pay money for drinks
 
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belial1134 wrote:
When someone pays by Paypal, that is not eBay - that is Paypal.

Which is eBay...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay#PayPal-only_categories
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The Maverick wrote:
belial1134 wrote:
When someone pays by Paypal, that is not eBay - that is Paypal.

Which is eBay...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay#PayPal-only_categories


That wiki is wrong, at least for ebay.com. It appears that information applies to ebay.co.uk. In the US, the policies always seem to allow for a merchant account or one of a few competing online payment companies.
 
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belial1134 wrote:


Your frustrations sound like someone who is upset they have to pay for a cover charge at a club and then pay money for drinks


Eh???? I have no idea how that's relevant??

No my frustrations stem from how Ebay want to fleece me at every possible opportunity - including their buddies at Paypal!

I also use Discogs.com to sell a lot of old records and they don't charge anywhere near what Ebay do - although that could be down to the fact that they take a fee in dollars even though I use pounds. But either way, they don't charge to list, only when I sell an item.
 
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Gilby wrote:
The Maverick wrote:
belial1134 wrote:
When someone pays by Paypal, that is not eBay - that is Paypal.

Which is eBay...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay#PayPal-only_categories


That wiki is wrong, at least for ebay.com. It appears that information applies to ebay.co.uk. In the US, the policies always seem to allow for a merchant account or one of a few competing online payment companies.

It's wrong that eBay owns Paypal?
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I always believed they were one and the same (or at least, it came to light fairly recently) - hence my original quote about being charged.

It would be nice if anybody knows for definite?
 
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BoardGameGeek » Forums » Gaming Related » Discussing Retailers
Re: First experience trying to buy a game in an auction on ebay - I'm deleting my account

Yes Ebay Owns Paypal.

In fact,

Recently Paypal's CEO left for Yahoo and guess who the interim CEO for Paypal is?
Ebay's CEO

From a WSJ article:
"EBay has become increasingly reliant on PayPal as the growth of the San Jose, Calif., company's online auction business has slowed. PayPal, which eBay acquired in 2002, is growing at roughly 25% a year and it now brings in about 40% of the company's total annual revenues."

Here is is the full article
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020433130457714...
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