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And yes ST lately has been outstanding...in fact the last 2 years I havent played a dud game...


1940: What If Germany Went East? is a bit dude. I have the impression those by Ty are a bit dude, while those by Joseph are not.


Yet Joe Miranda gave us Coral Sea solitaire...

No designer has a perfect track record, although some have a lot more hits than misses.
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Yet Joe Miranda gave us Coral Sea solitaire...

No designer has a perfect track record, although some have a lot more hits than misses.


That game has more thing to do with the counters errata but less so with the rules and system, hasn't it?

Obviously you can't expect everything good from the same designer - but that's not my point.surprise
 
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Lawrence Hung wrote:
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Yet Joe Miranda gave us Coral Sea solitaire...


That game has more thing to do with the counters errata but less so with the rules and system, hasn't it?

No. The system is absurd. The rules are merely badly structured and written, but the system is really bad. It's just that the counter thing kept most people from getting there in the first place.
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There are several problems with these games. The big two for me are the differential combat system, and the fog of war rules.

Differential combat systems rarely work properly. For example,compare a battle involving a strength '2' attacking '1' against a '10' attacking '9'. Both would be resolved on the +1 column.

Actually, for Napoleonic times that sort of makes sense although more at corps or army level than at brigade level. The problem is more that the rules are still too unbloody (despite the designer's notes claiming the opposite). When playing Leipzig you find that it is virtually impossible to come to grips with an enemy who just keeps falling back.

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The fog of war rules are poorly presented, and are unclear even after errata and FAQ have been provided.

Also, the special combat results are really fiddly and clearly not not thought through completely. I don't remember if all the Musket & Saber games use the same CRT but on the Leipzig CRT there is one result that requires the defender to execute a morale check and retreat in case of success. In case of failure he needs to execute the result in parentheses which is... a retreat.
 
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Does this mean that my copy of Chickamauga: River of Death is fated to remain on BGG Marketplace forever?
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Does this mean that my copy of Chickamauga: River of Death is fated to remain on BGG Marketplace forever?


To be honest, this is the only musket and pike game I have played. The map is good, the counters are ok, but playing it I kept wondering why it was necessary to have to keep referring to the rules so often. A game with this footprint should be a quick, fun diversion, not a chore.
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monstrooper wrote:
Does this mean that my copy of Chickamauga: River of Death is fated to remain on BGG Marketplace forever?


Not if you bundle it with a $20..
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nyhotep wrote:
To be honest, this is the only musket and pike game I have played. The map is good, the counters are ok, but playing it I kept wondering why it was necessary to have to keep referring to the rules so often. A game with this footprint should be a quick, fun diversion, not a chore.
I played the Shiloh game and had the same problem. I think it is because I was playing some older game that I was familiar with than the game I had in front of me. There are a lot of subtle (and some not so subtle) differences between the 'classic' Blue and Gray system and this newer system. Once I changed my focus to the game I had in front of me it started to click and became more fun.
 
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DG's business model is focused on quantity - not quality - and the Folio Series is no exception.
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Or Cash cowery of old SPI titles using rules created from notebook scraps of home rules borrowing bits from here and there.

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Hey, sell it to Groggy, he will eat anything that says "SPI" on it!
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Hey, sell it to Groggy, he will eat anything that says "SPI" on it!


I resemble that remark...
 
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Exactly my point....I am a blue and SPI Quad fanatic....but when I saw past it when playing Shiloh with the new rules...it wasnt that bad at all ..........Im all for quantity...with at least average quality...if these were 60-70 dollar boxed games...forget it but for $18 aud I can grab some fun and a look at a new battle...Im ok with this
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Bottom line so far
Most of us agree, even folio addicts like me , that the new rules for the 2 new systems were at best, average, at middling they were slightly always looking at the rulebook frustrating to at their worst, poorly done....
However the new BAW Folio Chalons was quite enjoyable and I actually found a co worker who had never gamed before take an interest in it, take it and played it 10 times with his wife....and hes only 23...so new blood has arrived !! thanks to Chalons....
OK We face a 2nd batch with some fixs and new rules....F&M and M&S plus the new promised P&S(Pike and shot rulebook)...might just at attempt 2 hit the spot....
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F&M rules are being used soon in a double battle in world at war..2 battles in Burma ww2....interesting and exciting plus theres a new M&S battle in the next ST ....So lets all hope they have been looked at
Cheers
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heath p avery wrote:
Bottom line so far
Most of us agree, even folio addicts like me , that the new rules for the 2 new systems were at best, average, at middling they were slightly always looking at the rulebook frustrating to at their worst, poorly done....
However the new BAW Folio Chalons was quite enjoyable and I actually found a co worker who had never gamed before take an interest in it, take it and played it 10 times with his wife....and hes only 23...so new blood has arrived !! thanks to Chalons....
OK We face a 2nd batch with some fixs and new rules....F&M and M&S plus the new promised P&S(Pike and shot rulebook)...might just at attempt 2 hit the spot....
Comments
PS
F&M rules are being used soon in a double battle in world at war..2 battles in Burma ww2....interesting and exciting plus theres a new M&S battle in the next ST ....So lets all hope they have been looked at
Cheers


Health,

I agree wholeheartedly. I also hope the supposedly soon to release new rules fix the mistakes of an otherwise potentially excellent series.
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nyhotep wrote:

To be honest, this is the only musket and pike game I have played. The map is good, the counters are ok, but playing it I kept wondering why it was necessary to have to keep referring to the rules so often. A game with this footprint should be a quick, fun diversion, not a chore.


There are many games that keep me peeking back at the rulebook from time to time, simple or complex. It is because I always think am I playing it wrong.
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Indeed mate
and hey If im in HK for business Ill look you up for a game or 2 of a folio or 2 eh
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Re: DG Folio Series..... what do you think?
Sure. Shoot me an email early for that. I don't own any one of the games in the folio though.
 
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Ill just bring em along hahaha
 
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