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Huzzah! I can think of a few games that I would like to have explained. I love the idea. Looking forward to it!
 
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I'll add them to a geeklist
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Aldie wrote:
I'll add them to a geeklist


Thank you! When I see the geeklist I'll add it to my Metalist: Video Reviews/Walkthroughs Geeklists (71 lists!). I'll make sure to move to the top of the 1st page too
 
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Great!

Hawaii, please! It's playable online at Board Game Arena (referral link to register) but the game looks kinda difficult to learn!
 
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Any chance of crunching these down to Vodcast size and feeding them in to the Geekspeak 2.0 feed?
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This is a great concept. Thanks for all the hard work and time devoted to this project. Perhaps some standards could be developed so those that suggest games could actually create, film, and submit the episode for review by BGG staff.

Is this idea on the table or do you want to keep production in house?

Once again, thanks for all the hard work and resources.
 
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I watched the Ra video, and it was excellent.

After all these years, I finally acquired Ra (thanks to my BGG Replacement Secret Santa). I have read the rules, but have not had a chance to play it. Seeing this rules explanation video will be a big help in learning and teaching the game to the family.

I have subscribed to the series and look forward to more in the future.

Great job!

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I watched the Ra video, and it was excellent.

After all these years, I finally acquired Ra (thanks to my BGG Replacement Secret Santa). I have read the rules, but have not had a chance to play it. Seeing this rules explanation video will be a big help in learning and teaching the game to the family.

I have subscribed to the series and look forward to more in the future.

Great job!

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Fantastic Idea. This will appeal to all video/auditory learners. Perhaps start a sub domain with war game rules explained. I would definetly be watching for that one ( I suffer from war game rules comprehension syndrome)cry
 
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LennyS wrote:
gamesgrandpa wrote:
I watched the Ra video, and it was excellent.

After all these years, I finally acquired Ra (thanks to my BGG Replacement Secret Santa). I have read the rules, but have not had a chance to play it. Seeing this rules explanation video will be a big help in learning and teaching the game to the family.

I have subscribed to the series and look forward to more in the future.

Great job!

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That would be good sometime. We'll have to work on that.
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Good luck to both off them!
 
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someotherguy wrote:
These videos make my brain hurt.

Each one starts with the presenter butchering the pronunciation of the guests' names, followed by a bizarre and lengthy half-hearted apology ritual that usually leads into a rude dismissal of the importance of the guest's name, and by extension their worth as a human being and the importance of their appearance in this video. Then there is the obligatory scene where the presenter holds the box up to the wrong camera while she damns the covert art with faint praise.

Then, in what seems like the top of the second hour of the video, the guest regales us with trivia about the game, including the nationalities of every person who had anything to do with the production of every iteration of the game, then insists that the game is very simple to learn, then carefully documents the number of players and the playing time of the game, adding sagely [because there is no way we could know this] that the game probably takes longer with more players.

At the halfway point of the video, the guest describes a single game-play element, then, clearly unaware that a discussion of a boardgame was to take place, pauses to dig pieces out of the box (or indicate that there are pieces that do something, but they could not be made available).

Finally, the pleasantries and introductions out of the way, the actual "content" portion of the video begins and the workings of the boardgame are, more or less, revealed. This is the point where I should become interested, but instead it's usually the point where, after two or three over-used and dry-as-dust mechanisms are presented, I decide that this game is the same-old-same-old and I stop the video.

These videos could use a little more professionalism and focus from the presenters, more preparation from the guests, and oh-my-god do they need editing. Also, at least from the ones I watched, some better games with a bit more innovation would probably help a lot, too.

Sheesh. Are you having a bad hair day, or is your cup always half empty?
I've tried to make videos like this, and it quickly consumes a lot of time, and eventually people get fed up with using that much time. I'd much rather see people keep it simple, and thereby improve the odds that the videos keep coming.
That said I agree that rules explanation should be just that. Skip the "interview", or make a separate video for that.
 
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Sheesh. Are you having a bad hair day, or is your cup always half empty?

I'm subscribed to someotherguy because I'm fascinated by his negative outlook on life and games. Sometimes I wonder why he even bothers playing games at all
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Stony wrote:
Sheesh. Are you having a bad hair day, or is your cup always half empty?

I'm subscribed to someotherguy because I'm fascinated by his negative outlook on life and games. Sometimes I wonder why he even bothers playing games breathing at all

There, fixed it for you.

Okay, I may be exagarating, but his post sort of led me to it.
 
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I don't think anyone has a problem with people being critical. But there are good and less-good ways of being critical. Don't confuse reacting to tone with reacting to content.

That said, another reminder that if anyone takes issue with the tone of any post they find, use that icon.

Personally, I enjoy the BGGTV videos. Opinions, amirite?

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someotherguy wrote:
These videos make my brain hurt.

Each one starts with the presenter butchering the pronunciation of the guests' names, followed by a bizarre and lengthy half-hearted apology ritual that usually leads into a rude dismissal of the importance of the guest's name, and by extension their worth as a human being and the importance of their appearance in this video. Then there is the obligatory scene where the presenter holds the box up to the wrong camera while she damns the covert art with faint praise.

Then, in what seems like the top of the second hour of the video, the guest regales us with trivia about the game, including the nationalities of every person who had anything to do with the production of every iteration of the game, then insists that the game is very simple to learn, then carefully documents the number of players and the playing time of the game, adding sagely [because there is no way we could know this] that the game probably takes longer with more players.

At the halfway point of the video, the guest describes a single game-play element, then, clearly unaware that a discussion of a boardgame was to take place, pauses to dig pieces out of the box (or indicate that there are pieces that do something, but they could not be made available).

Finally, the pleasantries and introductions out of the way, the actual "content" portion of the video begins and the workings of the boardgame are, more or less, revealed. This is the point where I should become interested, but instead it's usually the point where, after two or three over-used and dry-as-dust mechanisms are presented, I decide that this game is the same-old-same-old and I stop the video.

These videos could use a little more professionalism and focus from the presenters, more preparation from the guests, and oh-my-god do they need editing. Also, at least from the ones I watched, some better games with a bit more innovation would probably help a lot, too.


Hi Dan,

Thank you for the feedback, but I'm honestly a little confused. Were you watching our new tutorial videos, or the coverage from Essen? Both sets of videos are included under the Boardgamegeektv channel on YouTube. Our rules videos however have no interviews or guests at all and only a single camera, so your critique does not seem to describe this new set of videos.

I am a presenter in both Essen coverage and the tutorials, but this announcement (and hopefully discussion, feedback, and suggestions) are for the new tutorial videos. That said, if you watched the Essen coverage videos instead, I am happy to take your suggestions and add those to the discussion and planning as BGG looks ahead to Essen 2012.

The two newest tutorial videos are for Outpost and Ra. I am happy to converse with you through GeekMail if you would like to take a look at those and provide some feedback.
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someotherguy wrote:
I think it's really sad that so many people believe that we should go around pretending to love everything just the way it is all the time. I dropped some honest criticism on these videos [it's one man's opinion, and should be taken as such]. They should take my advice, but they probably won't, that's their prerogative, and I certainly won't lose any sleep over it.


What I get sick of is everyone thinking that just because someone puts something out there for consumption that it deserves "criticism", and that this can only be negative. Personally I think people sound rude when they just tear apart someone else's work.

What we should be providing is not negative criticism, but positive feedback. Being that most of the content on BGG is not done by professionals, and we don't really pay anything for it, I think positive reinforcement is the more appropriate way to help someone to improve their work.

Sadly, I'm even guilty of this type of negativity myself, but after seeing so much of it from others on this site it's made me realize it's not desirable, and it's something I'm trying to work on (right after this post ).

So I just want to thank "someotherguy" for helping me to identify ways to improve myself through his example.
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Re: BoardGameGeekTV - Rules Explanations
I think these videos have issues depending on what level of professionalism you wish to critique them at. First, the equipment is not that great, and there is no grip, lighting crew, makeup, script editor, or sound engineer. I suppose this is unacceptable given this was shot in a union town. Next, the computer editing crew seems absent, and I don't see any CGI worthy of Disney films. I don't know why but the national CBS news shows just look a lot more professional? Compared to Akira Kurosawa, the cinematography is just off. The soundtrack...why the music is no Slayer.

You know you are becoming significant when you start getting your first "you are terrible at what you do" commentaries from the cheap seats. Anonymous critics are my favorite and I recommend everyone shape their lives around their witty banter. There is such a thing as constructive criticism....like let your personality show through or try writing a script because you need to focus, or your lighting is off and the room is too dark so the viewer can't see the game pieces.
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Nap16 wrote:
Awesome. I would love to see a well done rules explanation for Le Havre.


I would bet Scott Nicholson covered that at some point in BGWS (http://www.boardgameswithscott.com/). He covered a lot of the more complex games. It's where I learned Die Macher.
 
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I've created a geeklist of all the videos here: BoardGameGeekTV Rules Explanations
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