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First, they are made from a non-textured, non-porous flexible plastic that close with a mechanical fastener(the wristbands are semi-porous Tyvek, and they have adhesive to fasten them).

CaptainQwyx' link on page 1 was to plastic wristbands with a mechanical fastener.

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Second, the staff writes the day and time of placement on the hospital ID bracelet and then they replace it with a new one every 36 hours

Huh, that doesn't match my recollection from the last time I was in a hospital. (Or the first couple hits Google brings back for "hospital wristband replacement policy"; the first says once per week--for paper wristbands, and that's to keep them legible!--and the second says "once the ID band is placed on the patient, it should remain intact until the patient has been discharged...")

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I will also do what our gaming group does at home; all snacks are consumed with chopsticks to help keep the games clean. No worries there! meeple

Well, I'm packing carry-on luggage only, and my chopsticks always get confiscated because they're too "stabby"; would you mind sharing yours with me? These open sores around my mouth should be scabbed over by then.
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I don't understand why the people who aren't bothered by the wristbands feel so adamant about telling the rest of us to shut up and deal with it no matter how much it inconveniences us and in some cases even harms us.

Jeff is being reasonable and is open to finding a better alternative in the future, but most of the people who don't mind the wristbands feel the need to tell us "sucks that it bothers you, but it's not going to change so suck it up or don't come".

It's rude, displays a lack of empathy, and is a poor representation of the BGG community. If nothing else, it has helped me put into focus why we need the bracelets in the first place, since some people here seem to lack both class and a sense of decency.


Right back atcha Mr. Don't-make-personal-attacks.


Eh? When did I make a personal attack? I made a very general statement that certain rude attitudes are, well, rude. Hardly a personal attack since I didn't even specify anyone.

If you weren't being rude then obviously I wasn't refering to you, so don't be upset.
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I don't understand why the people who aren't bothered by the wristbands feel so adamant about telling the rest of us to shut up and deal with it no matter how much it inconveniences us and in some cases even harms us.

If someone is inconvenienced by the wristband they should 'suck it up and drive on' until the con staff come up with, or are provided, a better option. The OP herself suggests a few ways to alleviate the aggravation.

If someone is actually harmed they should work with the con staff, as Julia seems ready and willing to do, to resolve the specific issue which likely affects a small minority. [Note that I do know someone else who suffers as Julia does, so I am not saying she is the only one. My friend wears a tennis wrist sweat band under her con wristband to avoid contact, but that may not work for all.]
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Jeff is being reasonable and is open to finding a better alternative in the future, but most of the people who don't mind the wristbands feel the need to tell us "sucks that it bothers you, but it's not going to change so suck it up or don't come".

I prefer the wristband, but I also attend cons where a neck lanyard is the standard. I hate it, but it is only an inconvenience so I 'suck it up' and play a game. If I was alergic to the lanyard I would try to find a way to affix the stupid thing to me in a way acceptable to the con staff and not expect them to change their entire policy based on my inconvenience.

I do not think this indicates my lack of class or somehow diminishes my sense of decency. I could be wrong.
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Shampoo4you wrote:
Eh? When did I make a personal attack? I made a very general statement that certain rude attitudes are, well, rude. Hardly a personal attack since I didn't even specify anyone.

If you weren't being rude then obviously I wasn't refering to you,

So then if I was rude it was a personal attack? Or it is only a personal attack on those who were rude? Sophistry.

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, so don't be upset.

As you have said, this is the internet. I was not upset, I was amused.
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Shampoo4you wrote:
Eh? When did I make a personal attack? I made a very general statement that certain rude attitudes are, well, rude. Hardly a personal attack since I didn't even specify anyone.

If you weren't being rude then obviously I wasn't refering to you,

So then if I was rude it was a personal attack? Or it is only a personal attack on those who were rude? Sophistry.


No, it is understanding what a personal attack is.

Not everything critical is a personal attack.

Saying, 'Such and such behavior is dumb.' is not a personal attack.

Saying 'You are a dumb' is.

The first is about behavior. It is not about a single person but about a specific behavior that anyone might display. A behavior is not a person. I am sure Einstein said or did a dumb thing every now & then but pointing out that what he did was dumb is not saying Einstein was dumb; just that behavior.

Saying 'Einstein is dumb.' is a personal attack. It is not about a specific behavior but about Einstein as a person (hence, 'personal').

Defining personal attack as 'anything critical' would mean that nothing critical could be said ever. That is not realistic. There is a right way to be critical and a wrong way. The right way is to talk about the specific instance of behavior. The wrong way is to be critical of the person themselves.
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pmbrill77 wrote:
Shampoo4you wrote:
I don't understand why the people who aren't bothered by the wristbands feel so adamant about telling the rest of us to shut up and deal with it no matter how much it inconveniences us and in some cases even harms us.

If someone is inconvenienced by the wristband they should 'suck it up and drive on' until the con staff come up with, or are provided, a better option. The OP herself suggests a few ways to alleviate the aggravation.

If someone is actually harmed they should work with the con staff, as Julia seems ready and willing to do, to resolve the specific issue which likely affects a small minority. [Note that I do know someone else who suffers as Julia does, so I am not saying she is the only one. My friend wears a tennis wrist sweat band under her con wristband to avoid contact, but that may not work for all.]
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Jeff is being reasonable and is open to finding a better alternative in the future, but most of the people who don't mind the wristbands feel the need to tell us "sucks that it bothers you, but it's not going to change so suck it up or don't come".

I prefer the wristband, but I also attend cons where a neck lanyard is the standard. I hate it, but it is only an inconvenience so I 'suck it up' and play a game. If I was alergic to the lanyard I would try to find a way to affix the stupid thing to me in a way acceptable to the con staff and not expect them to change their entire policy based on my inconvenience.

I do not think this indicates my lack of class or somehow diminishes my sense of decency. I could be wrong.


I feel like you are purposely twisting my words at this point because you're bored and want to argue over the internet. My posts were not refering to you in any way if you were not being rude to anyone, so please stop being offended, or acting offended, or thinking I was in any way refering to you. I have no problems with the wristband supporters who are not bothered by the bracelets, and indeed, I wish I was one of them.

As for the issue at hand, you can take a lanyard off when you go to sleep so it's hardly a fair comparison. I must again stress that just because it is not an issue FOR YOU, does not mean it is a legitimate issue for others as you yourself have pointed out some examples. It is entirely reasonable for the patrons of BGG.con to help the administration find a solution that pleases everyone. It is unreasonable to think we should just table the issue just because the majority seems to be fine with it. Even the administration is open to change if a better alternative can be found, so the intolerance of others on the part of certain individuals in this debate is unwarranted.
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EvanMinn wrote:
pmbrill77 wrote:
Shampoo4you wrote:
Eh? When did I make a personal attack? I made a very general statement that certain rude attitudes are, well, rude. Hardly a personal attack since I didn't even specify anyone.

If you weren't being rude then obviously I wasn't refering to you,

So then if I was rude it was a personal attack? Or it is only a personal attack on those who were rude? Sophistry.


No, it is understanding what a personal attack is.

Not everything critical is a personal attack.

Saying, 'Such and such behavior is dumb.' is not a personal attack.

Saying 'You are a dumb' is.

The first is about behavior. It is not about a single person but about a specific behavior that anyone might display. A behavior is not a person. I am sure Einstein said or did a dumb thing every now & then but pointing out that what he did was dumb is not saying Einstein was dumb; just that behavior.

Saying 'Einstein is dumb.' is a personal attack. It is not about a specific behavior but about Einstein as a person (hence, 'personal').

Defining personal attack as 'anything critical' would mean that nothing critical could be said ever. That is not realistic. There is a right way to be critical and a wrong way. The right way is to talk about the specific instance of behavior. The wrong way is to be critical of the person themselves.


What a clear and concise way to articulate the distinction. I'm going to have to write this down, as people seem to get the two confused often.
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EvanMinn wrote:
pmbrill77 wrote:
Shampoo4you wrote:
Eh? When did I make a personal attack? I made a very general statement that certain rude attitudes are, well, rude. Hardly a personal attack since I didn't even specify anyone.

If you weren't being rude then obviously I wasn't refering to you,

So then if I was rude it was a personal attack? Or it is only a personal attack on those who were rude? Sophistry.


No, it is understanding what a personal attack is.

Not everything critical is a personal attack.

Saying, 'Such and such behavior is dumb.' is not a personal attack.

Saying 'You are a dumb' is.

The first is about behavior. It is not about a single person but about a specific behavior that anyone might display. A behavior is not a person. I am sure Einstein said or did a dumb thing every now & then but pointing out that what he did was dumb is not saying Einstein was dumb; just that behavior.

Saying 'Einstein is dumb.' is a personal attack. It is not about a specific behavior but about Einstein as a person (hence, 'personal').

Defining personal attack as 'anything critical' would mean that nothing critical could be said ever. That is not realistic. There is a right way to be critical and a wrong way. The right way is to talk about the specific instance of behavior. The wrong way is to be critical of the person themselves.
Firstly, I did not think it was a personal attack on me. I was not upset. I was not offended. I was amused.

In his 'critical' statement he attributes the behavior specifically to most of the people in this thread who thought that others should 'suck it up'. That was 3 or 4 posters. He then says that some people here (in this thread) seem to lack class and a sense of decency.

Again, I did not feel slighted, but I could understand if one or two of the 'some' of the 'most' might take it into their heads that he was not speaking philosophically about the population of the Earth generally. Careful choice of words or unfortunate happenstance of syntax, I can not say with certainty. It read that way to me, as things can often be misinterpreted on the internet. I was amused and I parrotted his earlier line from this very same thread.

I am perfectly happy to not write one more thing about this 'thing' we have here.

As I mentioned in another post not to far above, I think that Julia has the right idea in her hopes to get the con to allow her a slight adjustment in band positoning. If there are other suggestions I will thumb those as I have her's. I am not in support of a wholesale change losing of the bands for something else, but as I have stated, if the con calls for something new I will support the con's decision. So...give the con staff a good suggestion.
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pmbrill77 wrote:
EvanMinn wrote:
pmbrill77 wrote:
Shampoo4you wrote:
Eh? When did I make a personal attack? I made a very general statement that certain rude attitudes are, well, rude. Hardly a personal attack since I didn't even specify anyone.

If you weren't being rude then obviously I wasn't refering to you,

So then if I was rude it was a personal attack? Or it is only a personal attack on those who were rude? Sophistry.


No, it is understanding what a personal attack is.

Not everything critical is a personal attack.

Saying, 'Such and such behavior is dumb.' is not a personal attack.

Saying 'You are a dumb' is.

The first is about behavior. It is not about a single person but about a specific behavior that anyone might display. A behavior is not a person. I am sure Einstein said or did a dumb thing every now & then but pointing out that what he did was dumb is not saying Einstein was dumb; just that behavior.

Saying 'Einstein is dumb.' is a personal attack. It is not about a specific behavior but about Einstein as a person (hence, 'personal').

Defining personal attack as 'anything critical' would mean that nothing critical could be said ever. That is not realistic. There is a right way to be critical and a wrong way. The right way is to talk about the specific instance of behavior. The wrong way is to be critical of the person themselves.
Firstly, I did not think it was a personal attack on me. I was not upset. I was not offended. I was amused.

In his 'critical' statement he attributes the behavior specifically to most of the people in this thread who thought that others should 'suck it up'. That was 3 or 4 posters. He then says that some people here (in this thread) seem to lack class and a sense of decency.

Again, I did not feel slighted, but I could understand if one or two of the 'some' of the 'most' might take it into their heads that he was not speaking philosophically about the population of the Earth generally. Careful choice of words or unfortunate happenstance of syntax, I can not say with certainty. It read that way to me, as things can often be misinterpreted on the internet. I was amused and I parrotted his earlier line from this very same thread.

I am perfectly happy to not write one more thing about this 'thing' we have here.

As I mentioned in another post not to far above, I think that Julia has the right idea in her hopes to get the con to allow her a slight adjustment in band positoning. If there are other suggestions I will thumb those as I have her's. I am not in support of a wholesale change losing of the bands for something else, but as I have stated, if the con calls for something new I will support the con's decision. So...give the con staff a good suggestion.


Except that you're adding the "in this thread" part. I never said "in this thread" in the post where I said that some people were being rude and lacking class and empathy. In fact, when I said "here" it was pretty clear I meant BGG and not the thread, since I had just mentioned BGG. So at this point you are (again) accidently or purposefully twisting my words.

Not to mention, even if I had said "in this thread" it STILL would not be a PERSONAL attack.
 
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It would be more entertaining for the rest of us if you could just settle this with face-punching at the convention.
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Except that you're adding the "in this thread" part. I never said "in this thread" in the post where I said that some people were being rude and lacking class and empathy. In fact, when I said "here" it was pretty clear I meant BGG and not the thread, since I had just mentioned BGG. So at this point you are (again) accidently or purposefully twisting my words.

Not to mention, even if I had said "in this thread" it STILL would not be a PERSONAL attack.


You can have the last word that you seem to need here. I can send you a geekmail with my rebuttal of your incorrect statements at your request.

I missed your suggestion for the con staff in there.
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The wristbands don't bother me that much, but for what it's worth, what other conventions require wristbands? I've been to GenCon, Origins, WBC, DragonCon, and a number of local conventions, and none of them required wristbands...


Kublacon and Pacificon require wristbands. Perhaps it's a conspiracy of Western convention-insurance companies ;-)


Kublacon does, but Pacificon does not require wristbands.

Wristbands are annoying but not annoying enough to prevent me from going. The problem I have is they provide a false sense of security.

I have never had my wristband checked for any purpose at Kublacon or bgg.con. At best, the game GM, the restaurant bus driver, door guard to dealer room/auction/flea market/etc. could have checked for a flash of fluorescent plastic as I entered. By "checked", I mean REALLY checked as it to see if one was not held together with tape or a safety pin.

Library games were checked out using driver's license at Kublacon or the bar coded bgg.con library card/badge.

Of course I was wearing my badge, too, which is also required. The badge clearly identifies me as a paid attendee or volunteer GM. The badge does everything the wristband does + plus acts as a name tag + can have a bar code reader + can indicate full or one day attendance, etc. except for being supposedly "non-transferable".
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I go to lots of conventions and always have to deal with these things. I don't mind sleeping with them on, but I've found that if you ask the people to put the band on fairly loose, you can slip it on and off. Just do that if you can't bear to wear it to bed.
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What is security at the door like for GenCon? Do you have to show your badge to get in the door each time you leave the area?


I haven't been there for a couple of years, but here's how it worked. The exhibition hall was very tightly enforced--they had multiple staffers there checking everyone's badge before they could enter. This was more than just a cursory check--badges had to be right-way-forward, and the staffers did check to make sure you were registered for the current day. The gaming areas of the conventions were less strictly enforced: generally there were not people at the door checking badges, but there was the occasional wandering security guard spot-checking tables. Hallways were not enforced; I don't think they cared if unregistered people roamed the hallways.
 
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I don't understand why the people who aren't bothered by the wristbands feel so adamant about telling the rest of us to shut up and deal with it no matter how much it inconveniences us and in some cases even harms us.

Jeff is being reasonable and is open to finding a better alternative in the future, but most of the people who don't mind the wristbands feel the need to tell us "sucks that it bothers you, but it's not going to change so suck it up or don't come".

It's rude, displays a lack of empathy, and is a poor representation of the BGG community. If nothing else, it has helped me put into focus why we need the bracelets in the first place, since some people here seem to lack both class and a sense of decency.


Agreed, I don't quite understand it either. I specifically asked for this thread so we could stop derailing convention announcements with discussions about the wristbands. I thought that would be a wise move so that those of us who have a problem with them can be in one place, thus freeing up the convention announcements to stay on topic.

Instead, the ones who do not have an issue traveled over to this thread, said I lived in a bubble, said I should stay home, and attacked my concern about fecal matter on the wristbands.
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Sorry, late to the thread.

I'm concerned about fecal material at the con. Has this been addressed?
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Sorry, late to the thread.

I'm concerned about fecal material at the con. Has this been addressed?


We have heard a lot from the "Gnome" but now a Troll had arrived. Beware.
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Could I pay $5 each for one or two extra wristbands so I could wear them as a necklace loosely enough to be comfortable but snugly enough to not be removable over my head without destroying them? I'm willing to have said configuration inspected and approved by the registration staff, and then they won't have to mess with me (for that) again the whole con.

This would satisfy the "easily visible", "not removable without destruction", "probably can sleep it in without too much trouble", and the biggest one of all, "not going to cause the skin on my wrist to blister into an uncontrollable eczema flare-up which will prevent my playing games in any kind of enjoyable way".


Yes, sounds like a win-win.

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I truly don't want to be a pain in the butt, but even eight months away, I am dreading my stupid skin explosion. About my only other option is gaining 10 lbs by taking a biggish dose of prednisone all weekend, and even then, my skin will probably still blister somewhat. I just can't have plastic touching me that closely that long.


I believe that plastic allergies were already mentioned as grounds for working out an alternative to the wristband.

One more general possibility:

For an extra $20, upload a photo so that a photo badge can be made before the convention; the photo badge would say "exempt from wristband" on it. When you register, convention staff would ensure that the photo is a good enough likeness of you that it can't be easily shared.

(I looked enough like one of my college roommates that we could share ID. But that's another issue...)
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Could you get a small amount of paper wristbands for the plastic alergy crowd, that they could swap out daily ( or twice a day if you were like me, and showerd in the morning, and the mid way point)?

A quick look on Amazon says:
500 Solid Neon Green Consecutively Numbered Tyvek Wristbands 3/4 Inch are less than $10.

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Could you get a small amount of paper wristbands for the plastic alergy crowd, that they could swap out daily ( or twice a day if you were like me, and showerd in the morning, and the mid way point)?

A quick look on Amazon says:
500 Solid Neon Green Consecutively Numbered Tyvek Wristbands 3/4 Inch are less than $10.



Tyvek= polyethylene = plastic.
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I would be open to exploring the option of getting a replacement wristband for a modest fee. We don't get them for free, and there is a logistics cost to replacing them.

It would probably involve bringing the cut wristband and showing your badge and a picture id to get a new one.

I would want to make sure we get the right number as well, so here's a poll:
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I would appreciate the opportunity to purchase replacement wristbands for $5 each under the conditions outlined above. I anticipate doing so this number of times:
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Once
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Replacement wristbands is an insufficient solution for me
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This poll is now closed.   27 answers
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Closes: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:00 am
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It would be more entertaining for the rest of us if you could just settle this with face-punching at the convention.


We could have a human version of Battling Tops
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Right - consider adding "zero" because you probably want to see just how many poll responders don't care about this issue (like me!)

Are the wristbands annoying: Sure, a bit.

Will it keep me from attending: of course not.

Is it enough for me to bother responding to some goofy thread: apparently!

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you left "zero" off the poll. :-)

Heh, yeah that the "don't answer this poll" option... cool
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