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BGWS 018 - Video about Poker Chips
This week in Board Games with Scott, I'm taking a close look at Poker Chips. Earlier this year, I went on a quest where I started with my cheap chips that I’ve had for a while and started looking for some nicer replacements. I’ve been getting into the 18xx games where it’s really handy to have chips and thus my exploration began.



You can see this episode at
http://www.boardgameswithscott.com/?p=32

Note:After this week, BGWS is going biweekly. I had hoped that as I got better, it would take less time to edit each episode. Instead, I've been improving the quality of the episode, but taking the same amount of time. I'm choosing quality over quantity, so will only be putting out a regular episode every other week.


In two weeks, I'll be talking about Thurn und Taxis.


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Half an hour about Chips? The d/l has started.

Sad to see you get down to a Bi-Weekly schedule. Though that makes me ponder more doing something similar myself...
 
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One thing I was hoping you might discuss more was how many chips you should get, in how many different colours, and in which denominations in order to best accommodate their use with board games. You mentioned that your secondary set contained 300 chips, but I couldn't tell how many colours it had, or what the denomination break down was; your primary set had 7 colours and what looked like about 500 chips, but again the denomination distribution was not apparent. You mentioned the importance of these factors a few times during the episode, but kind of left us hanging there at the end... Otherwise, very informative. Thank you very much for this and for your other episodes.
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Cool! Now I can scrap my planned "Poker Chips: In depth" show.

Only kidding - I'm actually really jazzed to see this one. I invested in some personalized "Burgess Casino" chips a year ago and paid (CENSORED) just to get the highest quality chips I could find so the mystique of the poker chip is not lost on me.

...Sheylon
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seandavidross wrote:
You mentioned that your secondary set contained 300 chips, but I couldn't tell how many colours it had, or what the denomination break down was; your primary set had 7 colours and what looked like about 500 chips, but again the denomination distribution was not apparent.


The problem is that it depends upon what you are going to play with them!

Look at the games you are looking to replace for guidance - how do they break down the currency?

With my nice set, I went with 100 of each of the lower denominations and 50 of the higher denominations, and ended up with a 650-piece set. (my secondary set just came that way; I didn't make any choices).

This site -
http://www.homepokertourney.com/chips_needed.htm
- tells you what to use for a home poker tourney.

The needs for a poker game are very different than the needs for our games.

I thought about addressing this, but realized it's so dependent upon what you plan to do with the chips that I decided not to talk about it. In my research, I found that it's a debated and discussed area.
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First a hearty thanks to Scott for a nice presentation. Nice to have the various chip types compared and contrasted like an English Lit Novel.

While Scott might be reticent about making a suggestion, I have no resistance to listing my experience as a starting point for some discussion about an appropriate chipset.

First, unlike Scott, I prefer unmarked chips. That way we can mix/match as needed for the specifics of the game and can adapt the chips to the game at hand. But most of the time, I find that poker valuations works well:

White = 1
Red = 5
Green = 25
Black = 100

Personally, I avoid Blue (=10) chips as there is no real efficiency gained for 1 blue compared to 2 red. The progression above is 5 (or 4) chips of the lower level are equivalent to 1 chip of the next level.

I also have some unmarked chips in a literal rainbow of colours (red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, black, white, gray) that can serve as a proxy for game paper money if people have difficulty with the above.

Similar to Scott's idea of a paper grid print out showing the value - we might place the game money to one side w/ the appropriate chip on it for a similar cross reference. But most of the time (in my experience) the standard poker valuations work well and we just use the chips as above with little regard to the break down offered in the game.

I have 500 chips as my base set:

150 @ White
150 @ Red
100 @ Green
100 @ Black

a total value of 13,400 and sufficient for all the games that I have tried currency conversion with. (The rainbow set I mention above is 50 of each colour).

At least a starting point for discussion about what might be a reasonable set for starter purposes.

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Thanks for stepping up, Richard. Part of my hesitance is that I'm fairly new to the world of chips, so I don't even know how well my set will work in many games. (thus, I take the cop-out answer of "it depends"). I also found no consistent answer in online forums or boards; everyone was a little different.

My older set is 1/5/25/100, premarked, and I've found that some people have a hard time with those valuations in games with lots of chip math, such as the 18xx games. Not every player was like this, but enough people were to make me seek out a larger scale of values.

A factor in the marked/unmarked decision was the stability of my gaming group. I game with lots of different people, so found the paper method required people to do that mental swap when dealing with lots of chip math (even using standard colors).

So, I knew I wanted many and marked values, as that would work for a wide variety of people to deal with the chips quickly.

But, that's just where my Poker Chip Quest took me; I realized settling for either unmarked sets or being restricted on values on a clay set of chips would leave me unsatisfied at some level.

 
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We recently invested (and I do mean invested - gulp) in a set of 300 chips - 50 each in 6 colours (for which we use 1/2/5/10/20/50).

So far, we haven't unshrinked more than 25 in any colour - although we have only used them for 2 and 3 player games to date.

We have also chosen not to mark them with values (at least not yet), and are starting to remember which colour means which number without having to refer to the box.
 
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melissa wrote:
So far, we haven't unshrinked more than 25 in any colour


And this brings up one additional consideration - when purchasing my set of poker chips (aka "clay" composite dice chips - 11.5 gram), I could mix and match colours to 500, but only in steps of 50.

My mix was chosen as I was limited by this restriction. I decided 150-150-100-100 was a bit nicer mix then the declining 200-150-100-50 or 200-200-50-50 option. Roughly similar amounts but with a bit more of the lower values seems to work well in our games as (from memory) most Eurogames really use perhaps only 2 or 3 of the available denominations.
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Question about BGG.CON-Chips

Hi Scott,

thanks for the GREAT Episode! I got a question about the BGG.CON-Chips because i like to customize my chips: Where did they ordered the stickers (or the the whole chip)? I am asking because the chip-color matches perfectly with the sticker-color. How did they do this?
 
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squidy wrote:
Question about BGG.CON-Chips

Hi Scott,

thanks for the GREAT Episode! I got a question about the BGG.CON-Chips because i like to customize my chips: Where did they ordered the stickers (or the the whole chip)? I am asking because the chip-color matches perfectly with the sticker-color. How did they do this?


Well, according to this thread:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/95895

they used Lynmark labels.

 
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Zombie thread alert! I've been thinking about getting chips, because (for example) Bootleggers has nowhere near enough money.

Here are my thoughts:
Most Euros play 6 players max. I don't thnk anyone would want more than ten 1Unit chips so 75 seems a good quantity. If you had tens you could use the same logic so one way would be:


75 1U
25 5U (no one needs more than 3)
75 10U
25 50U or 25U

1/5/10/25 is what we use for Power Grid.


Nextgen seems to be about the right spot for price / performance I'm looking for.

Still (over)thinking

Brian
 
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