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Less parking availability at the new Source location which will influence my shopping and gaming decision.


Not sure where you went, but the parking lot that I parked in appeared to have about twice as many spots.


Agreed! Being a Magic player where sometimes as many as 75+ people would show up in that tiny backroom.... parking was ALWAYS an issue, except for the times when there wasn't a restaurant next door. I'd I'd show up an hour before game time just to be sure I'd have a spot and not get threatened to be towed. That just won't happen at the new place. Twice as many spaces easily.
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Slightly off topic, but I'm tired of the whole "women

are unwelcome," "male gamers look down on female gamers," etc, etc, etc stereotype. I find it to be complete B.S.

I don't remember a single instance of seeing a woman singled out this way. If anything, geeky gamer guys would sacrifice a kidney in order to get more women to hang out with them at the game table.

I think the problem is that there are just too many a**hole gamers out there and they're a very vocal minority. They're not treating you poorly because you're a girl (gamer or otherwise), they're treating you poorly because you're just another human being and they are a**holes.



First of all...I like the Stray Cats avy.

Second of all, I completely agree. And to further your claim, I had never actually heard of this stereotype UNTIL I had joined BGG. Never experienced it anywhere before or witnessed it when female gamers were around. There are female gamers at my work in the cities and the only people that think them weird or odd are the nongamers.
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Second of all, I completely agree. And to further your claim, I had never actually heard of this stereotype UNTIL I had joined BGG. Never experienced it anywhere before or witnessed it when female gamers were around. There are female gamers at my work in the cities and the only people that think them weird or odd are the nongamers.


I would expect though that most of the time if there was that stereotype being applied you wouldn't really notice it as a bystander unless it was very overt. Often times those interactions are felt more acutely by the person being put down by them and it can be quite easy to miss that anything even happened.
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More often I think that lots of the people you are describing just look down on people who don't have as much knowledge about their hobby as they do and can't help but show their disdain.



It seems some of those people are the ones that only have gaming in their life and not much else.
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big_ragu wrote:
Slightly off topic, but I'm tired of the whole "women are unwelcome," "male gamers look down on female gamers," etc, etc, etc stereotype. I find it to be complete B.S.

I don't remember a single instance of seeing a woman singled out this way. If anything, geeky gamer guys would sacrifice a kidney in order to get more women to hang out with them at the game table.

I think the problem is that there are just too many a**hole gamers out there and they're a very vocal minority. They're not treating you poorly because you're a girl (gamer or otherwise), they're treating you poorly because you're just another human being and they are a**holes.



So you're saying I can have your kidney then?
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Mjrohs wrote:
big_ragu wrote:
Slightly off topic, but I'm tired of the whole "women are unwelcome," "male gamers look down on female gamers," etc, etc, etc stereotype. I find it to be complete B.S.

I don't remember a single instance of seeing a woman singled out this way. If anything, geeky gamer guys would sacrifice a kidney in order to get more women to hang out with them at the game table.

I think the problem is that there are just too many a**hole gamers out there and they're a very vocal minority. They're not treating you poorly because you're a girl (gamer or otherwise), they're treating you poorly because you're just another human being and they are a**holes.



So you're saying I can have your kidney then?


I'm an idiot. If I were smarter, I wouldn't be writing on this topic. But, like I said, I'm an idiot.

There are geeky gamer guys (some, not all of course) who want to get more women to hang out with them at the game table to ogle them. And, needless to say, many (maybe not all, but many) women don't like that. I have always thought it is better to be looked over than overlooked, but there is being looked over, and there is being ogled over. And of course, the looker-over/ogler doesn't know if he is looking over/ogling, because that is a emotional response the looked-over/ogled has. Road to hell, paving contracts, good intentions, and all that jazz.

Thanks for letting me comment, and I'll take my firestorm off the air.
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alfredo lorente wrote:
Mjrohs wrote:
big_ragu wrote:
Slightly off topic, but I'm tired of the whole "women are unwelcome," "male gamers look down on female gamers," etc, etc, etc stereotype. I find it to be complete B.S.

I don't remember a single instance of seeing a woman singled out this way. If anything, geeky gamer guys would sacrifice a kidney in order to get more women to hang out with them at the game table.

I think the problem is that there are just too many a**hole gamers out there and they're a very vocal minority. They're not treating you poorly because you're a girl (gamer or otherwise), they're treating you poorly because you're just another human being and they are a**holes.



So you're saying I can have your kidney then?


I'm an idiot. If I were smarter, I wouldn't be writing on this topic. But, like I said, I'm an idiot.

There are geeky gamer guys (some, not all of course) who want to get more women to hang out with them at the game table to ogle them. And, needless to say, many (maybe not all, but many) women don't like that. I have always thought it is better to be looked over than overlooked, but there is being looked over, and there is being ogled over. And of course, the looker-over/ogler doesn't know if he is looking over/ogling, because that is a emotional response the looked-over/ogled has. Road to hell, paving contracts, good intentions, and all that jazz.

Thanks for letting me comment, and I'll take my firestorm off the air.


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you could go to Fantasy Flight if you want the clean and polished look. But they don't allow outside food and they jack-up their in-house food prices. The Source is like your basement or your gaming closet.

Are you referring to the old location or the new place?

Give them a few more weeks to get settled in and I think it will be sparkly and awesome.

(Edit: emphasis in the quote)


Agreed. The old Source felt grimey and a bit like a basement, but the "new" Source has plenty of room to stretch and run multiple games/groups. They even have men AND women's bathrooms/kitchenette. Quite the improvement IMO.


The OLD source WAS a basement. In Dinkytown.
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big_ragu wrote:
Slightly off topic, but I'm tired of the whole "women are unwelcome," "male gamers look down on female gamers," etc, etc, etc stereotype. I find it to be complete B.S.


Isn't the point that some women apparently feel unwelcome? I don't think a man could adequately gauge that.

I generally believe in taking people at their word on whether they feel mistreated because they aren't the typical demographic.
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Zagreus wrote:

Less parking availability at the new Source location which will influence my shopping and gaming decision.


I thought the new place would make the parking issues no longer a factor. Well when I got to The Source last Friday at about 7:30 the entire parking lot was packed and there were many cars parked on the street. I wonder how long before there are some exclusive bike shop only parking slots and neighbors complaining.

I don't know but is the source only super busy on Friday nights?

I still think their new place is a great improvement though. Especially with many food options within a block.

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The OLD source WAS a basement. In Dinkytown.


One of the four old Sources before they formed the Voltron that was the Snelling and Larpenteur location. There was also one in Roseville/Little Canada just north of County Road B2 on Rice, and one next to Home Video on Snelling (where there's a giant Cheapo now). There was one in Burnsville, too, but I never shopped at that one.
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The OLD source WAS a basement. In Dinkytown.


One of the four old Sources before they formed the Voltron that was the Snelling and Larpenteur location. There was also one in Roseville/Little Canada just north of County Road B2 on Rice, and one next to Home Video on Snelling (where there's a giant Cheapo now). There was one in Burnsville, too, but I never shopped at that one.


Yes, but only one of those worked for my joke
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McJarvis wrote:
big_ragu wrote:
Slightly off topic, but I'm tired of the whole "women are unwelcome," "male gamers look down on female gamers," etc, etc, etc stereotype. I find it to be complete B.S.


Isn't the point that some women apparently feel unwelcome? I don't think a man could adequately gauge that.

I generally believe in taking people at their word on whether they feel mistreated because they aren't the typical demographic.


Apologies if I'm unclear. I TOTALLY believe that some women are made to feel unwelcome, my point is that the average male would likely feel EQUALLY unwelcome in the same situation. I've certainly seen women treated poorly by male gamers, but I don't think it had anything do with them being female. A**holery is gender-neutral. Just because you're being treated poorly doesn't imply that it's because you're female (or gay, or an ethnic minority, etc). Does that make more sense?
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Especially with many food options within a block.

This is definitely a major plus in favor of the new location. cool
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Mjrohs wrote:
big_ragu wrote:
Slightly off topic, but I'm tired of the whole "women are unwelcome," "male gamers look down on female gamers," etc, etc, etc stereotype. I find it to be complete B.S.

I don't remember a single instance of seeing a woman singled out this way. If anything, geeky gamer guys would sacrifice a kidney in order to get more women to hang out with them at the game table.

I think the problem is that there are just too many a**hole gamers out there and they're a very vocal minority. They're not treating you poorly because you're a girl (gamer or otherwise), they're treating you poorly because you're just another human being and they are a**holes.



So you're saying I can have your kidney then?


I'm utterly and completely indifferent to the gender of who I'm playing. And you wouldn't want my kidney anyway- it doesn't work too well

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big_ragu wrote:
Mjrohs wrote:
big_ragu wrote:
Slightly off topic, but I'm tired of the whole "women are unwelcome," "male gamers look down on female gamers," etc, etc, etc stereotype. I find it to be complete B.S.

I don't remember a single instance of seeing a woman singled out this way. If anything, geeky gamer guys would sacrifice a kidney in order to get more women to hang out with them at the game table.

I think the problem is that there are just too many a**hole gamers out there and they're a very vocal minority. They're not treating you poorly because you're a girl (gamer or otherwise), they're treating you poorly because you're just another human being and they are a**holes.



So you're saying I can have your kidney then?


I'm utterly and completely indifferent to the gender of who I'm playing. And you wouldn't want my kidney anyway- it doesn't work too well



Aww but I could get so many games by selling that on the black market
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jeremyffg wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
The OLD source WAS a basement. In Dinkytown.


One of the four old Sources before they formed the Voltron that was the Snelling and Larpenteur location. There was also one in Roseville/Little Canada just north of County Road B2 on Rice, and one next to Home Video on Snelling (where there's a giant Cheapo now). There was one in Burnsville, too, but I never shopped at that one.


I could be wrong but I didn't think the Dinkytown location was a Source store. It was called the Games Exchange and then became a part of Dreamhaven. The Burnsville store was a Phoenix Games, not a Source as well. The only other official Source store was the Little Canada one that I know of.
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They were all individually-owned stores, who came together under the Source banner. Then, when they all closed, the owner of the Little Canada one (Bob) came to run the new large one.

The Dinkytown one was originally Games Exchange, I believe you're right, but it was indeed the Source for a few years before all four closed on the same day. (I worked for DreamHaven back in the day)

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big_ragu wrote:
McJarvis wrote:
big_ragu wrote:
Slightly off topic, but I'm tired of the whole "women are unwelcome," "male gamers look down on female gamers," etc, etc, etc stereotype. I find it to be complete B.S.


Isn't the point that some women apparently feel unwelcome? I don't think a man could adequately gauge that.

I generally believe in taking people at their word on whether they feel mistreated because they aren't the typical demographic.


Apologies if I'm unclear. I TOTALLY believe that some women are made to feel unwelcome, my point is that the average male would likely feel EQUALLY unwelcome in the same situation. I've certainly seen women treated poorly by male gamers, but I don't think it had anything do with them being female. A**holery is gender-neutral. Just because you're being treated poorly doesn't imply that it's because you're female (or gay, or an ethnic minority, etc). Does that make more sense?


Sure, but in the interest of keeping the discussions on here friendly and gaming related maybe this one should be continued here: Religion, Sex and Politics...in Minnesota?.
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kvenosdel wrote:
big_ragu wrote:
McJarvis wrote:
big_ragu wrote:
Slightly off topic, but I'm tired of the whole "women are unwelcome," "male gamers look down on female gamers," etc, etc, etc stereotype. I find it to be complete B.S.


Isn't the point that some women apparently feel unwelcome? I don't think a man could adequately gauge that.

I generally believe in taking people at their word on whether they feel mistreated because they aren't the typical demographic.


Apologies if I'm unclear. I TOTALLY believe that some women are made to feel unwelcome, my point is that the average male would likely feel EQUALLY unwelcome in the same situation. I've certainly seen women treated poorly by male gamers, but I don't think it had anything do with them being female. A**holery is gender-neutral. Just because you're being treated poorly doesn't imply that it's because you're female (or gay, or an ethnic minority, etc). Does that make more sense?


Sure, but in the interest of keeping the discussions on here friendly and gaming related maybe this one should be continued here: Religion, Sex and Politics...in Minnesota?.


Agreed Kenny. This conversation doesn't seem to be going anywhere productive.
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Zagreus wrote:

Less parking availability at the new Source location which will influence my shopping and gaming decision.


I thought the new place would make the parking issues no longer a factor. Well when I got to The Source last Friday at about 7:30 the entire parking lot was packed and there were many cars parked on the street. I wonder how long before there are some exclusive bike shop only parking slots and neighbors complaining.



To be fair, it was their first friday open. Might have been the first time some of the regulars could get out to see the new place. I know I wanted to head out there to see if anyone was gaming, but had other things pop up.
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