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[Sandman] April first read - Season Of Mists - NO SPOILERS
Apologies for the delay - I was out of the country for a couple of weeks. Still plenty of time to read this great collection, even if you were waiting for the official thread.

As proposed in this thread, our reading of Neil Gaiman's The Sandman continues. Season of Mists covers issues 21 through 28.

A spoiler-filled, first time readers thread is here. For anyone also following this reread thread, please be very careful not to give any spoilers away to new readers.
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I wasn't waiting for this thread, but like I said, I'm probably about a week from being able to start anyway.

Can't wait, this is supposed to be the one where everything starts to come together right. This is the big one.
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SybotCB wrote:
I wasn't waiting for this thread, but like I said, I'm probably about a week from being able to start anyway.

Can't wait, this is supposed to be the one where everything starts to come together right. This is the big one.

That's what I thought, too. I was let down.

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More of the same, in my opinion. One cool concept (see below) but otherwise it was pretty random, and with the pencillers & inkers changing all of the time, the books never seem to get into an artistic groove. The opposite is happening, actually. I never know what to expect from the artwork and it really bugs me.


One cool concept, that I did like:
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The idea that Hell doesn't exist just to punish people. That the people who go to Hell know that they belong there and they want punishment for what they did, back when they were alive and on earth.
I've never heard of that one before. I kinda like it, though.


Who he (Dream) eventually gives the key to:
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It was always going to be the angels. There was never any tension, or possibility of a surprise.
Not that he made the wrong decision, but it really was made for him.


The best part:
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Thor cracking jokes about his big hammer, and him beating up on Loki.


Still confused about:
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Nada. The whole point of going to Hell was to find Nada and bring her back.
After going to Hell in a big production, he returns without her but with the key.
So what does he do? Dream dithers around while gods from other realms come to see him, turns down the daemon's offer to have Nada, in return for the key to Hell, then later on he strongarms his way into the daemon's realm and just takes her. And confines the daemon in a jar.
Why was he ever worried about getting her back? He's obviously way more powerful than almost anything else.

OK, she's back. Now they have a little spat, she slaps him, and then she forgives him. For 10,000 years of constant torture.
No, that needed to be something unique and appropriate, for a more believable response.
And then she's reborn as a child. How nice for everyone! Happy endings all around.

Loki. He switches places with some other being and tricks Thor into thinking that it is him going back to Asgaard. Then he begs Dream to let him live, and Dream just agrees to help out. No problem, Loki.
Any reason for it, other than Dream just feeling capricious? Not that I could glean. Weird.


The next issue:
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I'm not going to buy the next issue. I've invested quite a few bucks in the first four books and I'm just not getting my money's worth from them. The art doesn't blow me away, and the story is chaotic and too inconsistent.
It's been OK, but not fabulous.
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The next issue:
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I'm not going to buy the next issue. I've invested quite a few bucks in the first four books and I'm just not getting my money's worth from them. The art doesn't blow me away, and the story is chaotic and too inconsistent.
It's been OK, but not fabulous.


It's funny you should say that. I've been reading mine from the local library system. Seasons of Mist is the last copy they have in the series. Strangely, someone selectively removed pages from this copy. 5 pages here, 1 or 2 there.
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Some of the gaps were crucial, like when the key is handed over to Morpheus.
They were removed so neatly that I didn't notice at first. (Which may be an indirect comment on Neil's non-linear story telling.) So while I was finding this issue the best of what I've read so far, I had to decide if I was going to purchase it to read it without the gaps.


Ultimately, it just didn't seem worthy of a purchase. It's creative and was probably ground breaking in its day, but I'd rather spend money to re-read Bendis' Daredevil run than pursue this story further.
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MABBY wrote:

Still confused about:
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Nada. The whole point of going to Hell was to find Nada and bring her back.
After going to Hell in a big production, he returns without her but with the key.
So what does he do? Dream dithers around while gods from other realms come to see him, turns down the daemon's offer to have Nada, in return for the key to Hell, then later on he strongarms his way into the daemon's realm and just takes her. And confines the daemon in a jar.
Why was he ever worried about getting her back? He's obviously way more powerful than almost anything else.

OK, she's back. Now they have a little spat, she slaps him, and then she forgives him. For 10,000 years of constant torture.
No, that needed to be something unique and appropriate, for a more believable response.
And then she's reborn as a child. How nice for everyone! Happy endings all around.

Loki. He switches places with some other being and tricks Thor into thinking that it is him going back to Asgaard. Then he begs Dream to let him live, and Dream just agrees to help out. No problem, Loki.
Any reason for it, other than Dream just feeling capricious? Not that I could glean. Weird.





Here are my thoughts, to some of these questions:

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The only reason he was more powerful than the demon, was because they were in the Dreaming, where he is in charge. He says earlier that Lucifer is much more powerful than him, so it could be seen that one of Hell's top officers would be on an equal power level. It just so happened that he, the demon, got cocky (as demons do) and tried to destroy him in Dream's realm.

Also, he doesn't dither around. He has to contemplate who to give the second most powerful realm in all the universe to. If he chooses wrong, all of creation pays for it, as well as himself. Lucifer gave him the key because Lucifer hates him. Any number of gods would be angry with Dream and seek his detruction for not giving them Hell. It's never a good idea to have a panthenon of gods angry with you.

Nada truely loves Morpheus, but knows she can never be with him. I know the love can conquer all is a bit of a cop out, but thats all I have for that one.

Loki shows up later. Like most of Gaiman's character, just a little bit is shown now, more comes later. It's never a bad idea to have someone owe you a favor.



Thats all I have for now. You gave it a go and read to Vol. 4, thats all I asked. It's not your cup of tea... what are you going to do? Hope you don't feel like you wasted your money or time. During this re-read, I have really enjoyed myself, but I really love this series.
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NostraDouglas wrote:
Here are my thoughts, to some of these questions:

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The only reason he was more powerful than the demon, was because they were in the Dreaming, where he is in charge. He says earlier that Lucifer is much more powerful than him, so it could be seen that one of Hell's top officers would be on an equal power level. It just so happened that he, the demon, got cocky (as demons do) and tried to destroy him in Dream's realm.

Also, he doesn't dither around. He has to contemplate who to give the second most powerful realm in all the universe to. If he chooses wrong, all of creation pays for it, as well as himself. Lucifer gave him the key because Lucifer hates him. Any number of gods would be angry with Dream and seek his detruction for not giving them Hell. It's never a good idea to have a panthenon of gods angry with you.

Nada truely loves Morpheus, but knows she can never be with him. I know the love can conquer all is a bit of a cop out, but thats all I have for that one.

Loki shows up later. Like most of Gaiman's character, just a little bit is shown now, more comes later. It's never a bad idea to have someone owe you a favor


Good points:
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I hadn't thought about Morpheus being in his own realm, and thus more powerful. Makes sense (as much as metaphysical stuff like that can, anyway)

You've got the cockiness factor of the demons pegged. As tricky as they can be, they are short-sighted to their own flaws. Nice call!

You call it thoughtfulness, I called it dithering. I suppose your way is probably closer to the intended truth.

Finally, I agree that having angry gods can't be good, but why just those gods? There are dozens (hundreds?) of other gods who could have showed up. And I thought that most religions had their own version of Hell. Is Gaiman implying that there is only one Hell and all faiths share it?
I'll have to ask him, when I see him next...
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I could put this is in the 'What did you read in November' thread, but let's bring this one back from the dead. It fits the theme. Also, it is exactly three years ago today that Avri started this thing.

Season of Mists is the first Sandman book I really liked. Horror just isn't my thing, I feel like I'm missing a lot of references to other stuff, from Shakespeare to the comic universe, and feel like I don't know graphic novels well enough to really appreciate the art. But this one was quite gripping, and had some really good bits.

Delirium formerly known as Delight. Mind blown.

The horror was also more fantastical and less creepy. I'm more ok with demons torturing people than people torturing people.

I'm not sure what I think of the melting pot of mythology. Are the readers supposed to know the story of Loki and the snake's venom? If not, why not make up your own mythology? If I recall correctly, the Loki-snake's venom thing was the Norse "explanation" for earthquakes, which wasn't a part of the Sandman story at all. Thor being a horny buffoon was funny, but I don't think the Norse saw their god of strength and fertility quite in that way. I'm not familiar with the comic book versions of these characters, but in general I thought the more original stuff (the Endless, the Demons, Faerie, Chaos and Order) stronger than the pick-and-choose-and-combine from real world mythology stuff. It's of course a big part of Sandman, and one of the things I like most about it, but in this book it was all a bit too obvious. With everybody simply thrown together in the same room, I expected more interesting interactions than the Thor-Loki-Bastet slapstick.

Dream was a more interesting character this volume, Lucifer was awesome, the Endless too. I loved the depictions of the various characters, the dialogue, all the little details, and how the plot is becoming stronger. The boarding school interlude wasn't bad either. It will probably be a while again before I pick up the next volume, but I plan on rereading the first four some time soon.
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