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Panicking in the Castle with the Kids

Rick Baptist
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I like cooperative games a lot -- several of them are in my Top 25. Castle Panic is not quite there, but I enjoy it with both kids and adults.

When you're playing CP with adults, though, co-op kind of flies out the window. At least in my mind it does. I'm always watching who gets the four-point monsters, planting seeds to "teammates", keeping cards for myself that I know could help someone else but that I can use. With kids, my mind is set entirely on co-op. I don't care who the master slayer is (for some reason my daughter ends up being most of the time) -- we're just trying to survive. And it's hard sometimes, because I try to let them make their own decisions. That makes an exciting game. We lost for the first time the other day, in fact, and I was expecting some pouting. But no - after the loss they discussed for a few seconds what they should have done, and quietly put the game away. That blew my mind and was certainly a welcome sight!

One of the best things about CP is that there are several "NO WAY!" moments packed in that box, as my kids and I can attest to last month. In that particular game, we got down to the last final chance at grabbing this orc all up in our towers, and to win we had to draw the Barbarian card. Sure enough, I think it was a 1/22 chance or so, but Conan showed his face and the kids and I jumped for joy. I think that's what this game is all about. And thanks to that moment, CP is currently the most requested game with my kids right now (age 6 and 5) -- beating out Catacombs even!

I really think CP should be in Target and Walmart. It's simple to understand and it's a kids game that most adults enjoy playing. Those are so rare. I hope that Justin De Witt is able to see that happen one day. It's a gem of a game.
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What is it that allows a game to go "mass market" and available at Walmarts and Targets? Is it because they are from the old-school companies like Milton Brothers and Hasbro? Or, do they need to be based on some current cartoon or TV show? If it was because of family appeal and ease of play with a ton of fun thrown in, then yes, Castle Panic would be at my Target down the street. Maybe someday boardgames will again make that surge.

Wow, your kids always amaze me (and you didn't mention that they are now, what, 5 and 7???). Some crackin' little gamers you have there, with another in the gaming-minor leagues.laugh

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Thanks Greg. Greyson is still 6 years old, and a good reader so it opens up a lot of possibilities. Cambria is still dependent on symbols so once we ran through the cards a couple of times she is okay. Her favorite thing in CP is to get brick and mortar to build a wall, she thinks that is SO cool!

From what I have heard from guys that have made it into the mass market (Dominic Crapuchettes from North Star Games got Wits & Wagers out there) there is a TON of hoops to jump through if you're not Hasbro. Hasbro has it easy because they just make a Twilight version of Sorry or whatever and Target is comfortable with it because it's a game franchise that is established (forget that the game completely blows). And I have to say, it's also amazing how many small game publishers get games in Target that suck as well. But it's always nice to see a great game sprinkled in amongst the junk. Heroscape was a nice exception! Also Settlers of Catan is being stocked now.

I'm pretty encouraged by the steps that Barnes & Noble have made. It's nice to see all those sweet games whenever I stop in, and it's handy to point Christmas shoppers there to get stuff.
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I remember reading an article for a wodden car company called Automoblox. Cool litle cars and the owner did a 4-5 page article talking about how it started and his trials working with big box stores and Chinese manufacturing.

I think he had lost a deal with Target because they wanted a huge quantity guaranteed and it forced him to really sturggle to come up with it. In the end, he didn't make it in time and the order was canceled.

The manufacturing process and the investment in that quantity for a small game company may be a major reason these games never make it to the big stores. They want national level numbers and it's simply not something every company can do financially or in the time allotted to fulfill the contract. A multi-million dollar company like Hasbro with its own manufacturing process already in place can produce 100,000 copies of "Fart in Your Hand - The game of beans and extremities!" on a whim.

Aw, man... I just gave them an idea... Need to stop that.

For chain stores, they're very wary about non-Hasbro/non-MB productions because of the risk of not selling them. Hasbro has basically made their footprint bringing a bulk of the same game rebranded and they're almost guranteed to sell a good portion. Not so much with games like Le Havre.

The fact that Settlers has made it to Target shows that it takes a game with a large resume like Catan to break into the box stores. And it's over 15 years old.
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Chris - I completely agree. Once in a while these one-game companies get a game in there, but it usually takes years not just to establish yourself, but to gain enough money to print that many copies of your game! Dominic has made some really interesting posts about what it took to get North Star Games, LLC off the ground and running, and boy they're turning a nice profit now. But certainly they did it the right way.

CP is the first title under Fireside Games. If Justin can get some more solid games going, he might just have a chance to get CP in the mass market. I'd buy a copy for a friend just to support it.
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