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Games Gone Bye Bye - The A's, part 1

Kevin Whitmore
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I own a lot of games. As listed on BGG, I have 280, but there are a few more around here. Even so I have 515 games listed as "previously owned" here on BGG. A very few of them have been reacquired, but generally once they leave my shelf, they are gone forever.

So I have decided to write a few columns talking about the games that didn't make the cut - the games that I at one time owned, but decided to remove from my collection. Maybe this will interest someone - maybe not! Comments are welcomed, and will be taken as encouragement to continue.

The A's:

Ab die Post - At one time I owned every big box game released by Goldsieber. I had conceived that they were "my" game company of choice. I had a great fondness for original Entdecker, really liked Linie 1, and began seeking out their early releases, while eager awaiting the newer ones. (Goldland was the last of this line.)

Ab die Post made me realize that a big box did not translate to a big strategy game. The game is a lightly themed race. Players fly their planes racing for the win. But the theme had some rather magical thinking as you could (and would need to) repair your planes while in flight. The little shaker for the storm and the random turn order was cute. But Ab die Post was just too random and too silly for me. So eventually I decided to bust up the Goldsieber collection, and Ab die Post was one of the first to be trimmed.

Abilene - There are actually two versions of this game. I've played both, but briefly owned the later version with the plastic pieces which could handle more players. Abilene is not a bad game. My memory of this game is now vague. But I recall enjoying my first play enough to attain a copy for myself. This is the sort of game that I find great fun to play for the first time, but that didn't deliver as much fun on the second outing. My basic belief is that many eurogames don't have enough depth to keep me coming back for multiple iterations of the same game. Abilene would now likely be great fun to play again. But its years later and it would be fresh again.

Ace of Aces - This is a game from my early years of buying hobby games. I rather liked this game, and it provided lots of entertainment back in the early 80's. But, honestly, sitting around flipping through a book with an opponent doing the same is not my current idea of gaming. Clever idea, and I'm glad I experienced it when it was new. But I feel I can do far better anymore. But it might still be a good game for car/airplane rides or other situations where two people are unable to play a game with multiple pieces.

Adel Verpflichtet - Another of my early ambitions, after discovering German games, was to collect all the Spiel des Jahre winners. I discovered German games in the late 90's, and the SdJ was a lot more influential at the time. They had honored Settlers in 95 and El Grande in 96, and it seemed that these new strategy games were sweeping away what had preceeded them. So collecting the SdJ winners seemed like a great idea when conceived. But this plan came apart relatively quickly. I tried a large number of the earlier pre-Settlers SdJ winners, and just didn't like them much. Adel Verpflichtet especially seemed like a vacuous game to me. The strategy, such as it is, was much more about gaming the other people at the table.

Africa - When I finally parted out the Goldsieber collection, this one endured on my shelf for quite a while. I still think this is a rather good Knizia game. I parted with it after realizing no one in my game group was much interested in it, and it had not been played in years. Africa is a game of lots of little decisions, that add up to a bit more than some players recognize. Some folks feel it is totally random, where I found it had a bit more depth than my opponents were seeing. If you get a chance to play this game, go for it!

Afrika Korps - I also am a wargamer, and for a brief period of time a friend and I were exploring the earliest titles in wargaming history. This inspired me to actually collect all the games of Charles S. Roberts, founder of Avalon Hill. Afrika Korps is perhaps the best loved Charles S. Roberts game. Sadly, this game passed through my hands unplayed. I would have loved to play this, but my wargaming opportunities faded away.

After the Flood - I count myself as a Martin Wallace fan. He has a knack for creating flavorsome games that appeal to my interests. Unfortunately often his games do not hold up for me. After the Flood was billed as a 3-player game, only. I was put off by this game. It featured all of the classic 3-player wargame problems I have encountered in other games. I had expected better!

Age of Exploration - Back in the early 90's I was playing games, but had never heard of German games. We did however especially enjoy TimJim/Prism games, which seemed fresh and innovative in comparison t the games we played from Avalon Hill. Age of Exploration was one of the games from TimJim/Prism that we never played. I finally tracked a copy down, and sadly promptly bogged down. Perhaps this game is too slow, or perhaps my expectations had been ruined by too many modern euros, but I struggled with the rules and the pacing. Maybe it would have been good back in the earlier era.

Blah, blah blah. Enough wool gathering for this first entry.

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Keep the entries coming, Kevin! I find the varying reasons that a title hits the trade pile quite interesting.

One thing's for sure though, 515 previously owned titles makes for a lot of ground to cover. So, I'll pose a question now, in case other entries don't feature quite so much Goldsieber.

If titles in their big box series like Ab die Post! have already hit the trade pile due to being simplistic or unplayed, what has been the encouragement to retain entries like The Mississippi Queen and Sternenhimmel? I personally would describe the former nearly the same way you did "Post", even though it had beautiful components and interesting ideas.

 
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Hi Nathan,

Thanks for the comment and encouragement. Regarding the two games you cite... I doubt I am very different from many other folks in that I tend to bond to things that I was first introduced to. For example, I have a special fondness for the Apple IIc computer, because it was the first real computer I ever owned.

Mississippi Queen was one of the very first German games I ever bought. It was a Rio Grande Games release, but at the time, the English rules were simply a b/w photocopy included with the German original edition. MQ is generally held in low esteem by many BGGers. I can understand their attitude, but I diverge from the common thinking. I like race games more than the average BGGer, and to further my enjoyment of MQ I have the Black Rose expansion. Jay Tummelson, owner of Rio Grande, Games, gave me pewter ships for use with my copy of MQ. So while MQ is not so popular with my gaming club these days, it occupies a neat intersection of being a game I hold in some sentimental awe and also having some unique collectible status.

Sternenhimmel is a game that has recently been edging closer to my trade pile. I agree it is not a deep strategy game. But its astronomy motif and light game play have been to my tastes. I have not played it all that often though, and the most recent session fell a bit flat with my other players. Sternenhimmel's materials are nice enough, but do pale in comparison to the deluxe treatment more modern games routinely receive these days.

Speaking to Goldsieber, and their big box series... I think they were trying to occupy the same publisher space as Kosmos. Unfortunately for Goldsieber they never had a big hit. (Kosmos has Setlers.) So after several years of trying they shut down the big box series, and moved on to other strategies. I look back at my fascination for Goldsieber, and wonder, "What was I smoking?" Indeed, I did have a lot of fun collecting and playing their series, but very little of it remains on my shelf, and those that remain do not garner much play. But then again, my experience is that the vast majority of games get most of their plays in the first year of ownership.
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Hi there Kevin,

Kevin_Whitmore wrote:
I doubt I am very different from many other folks in that I tend to bond to things that I was first introduced to.


I actually wondered if that might be the reason. If you look at my collection, one of the first games I bought upon really getting into the hobby remains: Lord of the Fries.

Fun, but certainly not one of James Ernest's best games (that would be reserved for Gloria Mundi and Lords of Vegas).


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Jay Tummelson, owner of Rio Grande Games, gave me pewter ships for use with my copy of MQ. So while MQ is not so popular with my gaming club these days, it occupies a neat intersection of being a game I hold in some sentimental awe and also having some unique collectible status.


Now that's just cool! cool

Stories like that and my personal experiences with numerous game publishers, provide just one more reason that I love this hobby.


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I look back at my fascination for Goldsieber, and wonder, "What was I smoking?" Indeed, I did have a lot of fun collecting and playing their series, but very little of it remains on my shelf, and those that remain do not garner much play.


A number of titles they've produced are quite a bit of fun, so I can certainly understand why you'd be interested in getting them all. In fact, I've had my eye on Medieval Merchant since it sounds like a perfect fit for my wife and I.

If I had a similar experience with any publisher, it would be Cheapass Games. After owning nearly all of their titles at one point or another, I've cut the collection back to favorites (which now consists of Cube Farm, Lord of the Fries, and Girl Genius: The Works).

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Ab die Post...is a lightly themed race. Players fly their planes racing for the win. But the theme had some rather magical thinking as you could (and would need to) repair your planes while in flight.

Given that this was set in the days of biplanes, this is not so magical. When the Key brothers set their endurance flight record, they went outside the airplane for engine repair and maintenance.
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Ab die Post...is a lightly themed race. Players fly their planes racing for the win. But the theme had some rather magical thinking as you could (and would need to) repair your planes while in flight.

Given that this was set in the days of biplanes, this is not so magical. When the Key brothers set their endurance flight record, they went outside the airplane for engine repair and maintenance.


I seem to recall you could replace your engine while in flight...
 
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Kevin_Whitmore wrote:
seppo21 wrote:
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Ab die Post...is a lightly themed race. Players fly their planes racing for the win. But the theme had some rather magical thinking as you could (and would need to) repair your planes while in flight.

Given that this was set in the days of biplanes, this is not so magical. When the Key brothers set their endurance flight record, they went outside the airplane for engine repair and maintenance.

I seem to recall you could replace your engine while in flight...

OK, that might require magic
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