Rumors about the Demise of NG International & Nexus Games

Noah Sager

(RequiemX)

United States
Sebastopol
California

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

I need my War of The Ring reprint! zombie

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:07 pm
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Gabe Covert

(CovertDad)

United States
Lexington
Kentucky

When they (quietly) announced the cancellation of the Age of Conan: The Strategy Board Game expansion, I wondered why... Guess maybe that was the writing on the wall?

ninja

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:08 pm
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Jason Obermeyer

(Bond8089)

United States
Tustin
California

Ya, I would be very interested in what this means for War of the Ring...

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:09 pm
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Chris Long

(radynski)

United States
State College
Pennsylvania

Bond8089 wrote:

Ya, I would be very interested in what this means for War of the Ring...

It means that all those speculators that sold their copies when they were going for $120+ assuming they would pick it up again in the reprint are now gnashing their teeth.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:37 pm
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Robert Kuster

(roberious)

Canada
Calgary
Alberta

Hopefully someone will come along and pick up the product line since for the most part it seemed quite successful, although some titles weren't that popular like Magestorm, Conan, Dakota!!

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:37 pm
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Mark Leaman

(mleaman)

United States
Brunswick
Maine

Sounds more like a re-org. You know... To boost the men's morale!

BAHHH!

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:42 pm
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Michael Mindes

(DrMayhem)

United States
Tucson
Arizona

roberious wrote:

Hopefully someone will come along and pick up the product line since for the most part it seemed quite successful, although some titles weren't that popular like Magestorm, Conan, Dakota

Magestorm and Dakota seemed too highly priced to me, and I think they published these without partners for release in the United States...

It seems they anticipated better response and built their cash flow and financial models on top of that expectation...

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:52 pm
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Tom DeFrank

(DeFrank)

United States
Canton
Ohio

Letters from Whitechapel is a great game. Hands down one of my favorites (and Jab is quickly becoming one of my favorites as well, Michael.

)

Hate to see them go.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:58 pm
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Michael Mindes

(DrMayhem)

United States
Tucson
Arizona

DeFrank wrote:

Letters from Whitechapel is a great game. Hands down one of my favorites (and Jab is quickly becoming one of my favorites as well, Michael.

)

Hate to see them go.

JAB: Realtime Boxing is not going anywhere. Now, I just need the game to spread its wings and fly!

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:01 pm
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What did you do with the proceeds from the Revolutionary Lemonade Stand?

(DrFlanagan)

United States
Oneonta
New York

CovertDad wrote:

When they (quietly) announced the cancellation of the Age of Conan: The Strategy Board Game expansion, I wondered why... Guess maybe that was the writing on the wall?

ninja

I assumed this was because I've never seen anybody play Age of Conan.... I have it sitting here but haven't found the right group to give it a go.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:06 pm
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Gabe Covert

(CovertDad)

United States
Lexington
Kentucky

DrFlanagan wrote:

I assumed this was because I've never seen anybody play Age of Conan.... I have it sitting here but haven't found the right group to give it a go.

It's not a question of how many people played it... It's a question of how many people bought it.

ninja

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:08 pm
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Gnomish Mustard

(Gnomish Mustard)

United States

Texas

This is terrible news. I checked the Fantasy Flight message boards and no news about the reprint is there at all.

I checked the Nexus site and they are apparently still selling the collectors edition? Not sure what that's about.

I definitely would like to get this game and play it. Here's hoping they pull through and manage to get the reprint done.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:15 pm
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Ken B.

(franklincobb)

United States
Fayetteville
Tennessee

That is terrible news. War of the Ring is (IMO, natch) one of the best boardgames ever produced. It deserves to be in print for some time to come.

I never had plans to sell my original game + expansion, but I probably would have picked up a reprint...even though I didn't need one.

But this game deserves to be in the hands of every gamer who wants it.

I wonder, given the success and exposure it brought FFG, coupled with their good relationship with the Tolkien estate, if FFG wouldn't just try to acquire the rights to publish and print War of the Ring entirely. Purely speculation, but it would make sense on a lot of levels.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:38 pm
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Chris Miller

(millercv)

United States
Huntsville
Alabama

My Dog Has Fleas

franklincobb wrote:

I wonder, given the success and exposure it brought FFG, coupled with their good relationship with the Tolkien estate, if FFG wouldn't just try to acquire the rights to publish and print War of the Ring entirely. Purely speculation, but it would make sense on a lot of levels.

But it would cost a hundred dollars in the store if they were able to recreate all those minis! (At least that is what they said with Battlelore)

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:02 pm
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Ken B.

(franklincobb)

United States
Fayetteville
Tennessee

millercv wrote:

franklincobb wrote:

I wonder, given the success and exposure it brought FFG, coupled with their good relationship with the Tolkien estate, if FFG wouldn't just try to acquire the rights to publish and print War of the Ring entirely. Purely speculation, but it would make sense on a lot of levels.

But it would cost a hundred dollars in the store if they were able to recreate all those minis! (At least that is what they said with Battlelore)

Moreso than similar games FFG is offering right now, I feel that War of the Ring could support a $99.99 MSRP, easily.

I remember buying it in 2004 online for like $42. I remember thinking what a freaking embarrassment of riches was inside that box for such an affordable price. So yeah, this would still be a great value at $100.

Also, with Battlelore, the original company deliberately manufactured those minis at a loss, with the hopes of copious amounts of future business. Nexus did not do this, and should still have access to molds and other elements of production, which they would sell for sure if they were liquidating.

Edited Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:08 pm
Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:08 pm
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jefF, There are some who call me... DuneKitteh

(midnightmadness)

United States
Wood Dale
Illinois

Useless rollover, booya! Dune Kitty says, "deal with it."

DrMayhem wrote:

Magestorm and Dakota seemed too highly priced to me, and I think they published these without partners for release in the United States...

It seems they anticipated better response and built their cash flow and financial models on top of that expectation...

I think there's quite a bit of truth to this assessment. Speculating further, it would seem that many decisions were geared at eliminating or terminating US partner relationships (none more blatant than Wings of War), without actually grokking what that entails. It seems that decisions were being made more to garner a bigger piece of the pie, but not realizing that when everything is factored in, it was more costly than before. Maybe I'm just talking out my ass and don't truly understand, but I only have the rumor and what's before me to make that call. I mean, when the term "liqudating" is brought up, is it ever a good thing?

Gnomish Mustard wrote:

This is terrible news. I checked the Fantasy Flight message boards and no news about the reprint is there at all.

I may be wrong, but I don't *think* FFG was going to be distributing the reprint anyway (which leads back to the original problem, I believe). At least, I've never seen anything that definitively said they were, and given what happened with the WoW deal.

Gnomish Mustard wrote:

I checked the Nexus site and they are apparently still selling the collectors edition? Not sure what that's about.

It's about not updating their website. The CE was sold out the month (week/day?) is was released. Then again the FFG website still has the regular edition listed as available too...

Gnomish Mustard wrote:

I definitely would like to get this game and play it. Here's hoping they pull through and manage to get the reprint done.

Yeah, me too. While I think the Sept. street date was out the window a while ago regardless, I was really hoping to see it under the Giftmas Tree this year. Now I'm just hoping I'll see it by NEXT year... if AT ALL (hate to say it, but licensed games tend to fare very badly in the end of a "liquidation"). And that sucks. I hope I'm wrong though, about everything, and this comment isn't worth even the time I took to make it.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:10 pm
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Lee Fisher

(lfisher)

United States
Downingtown
Pennsylvania

midnightmadness wrote:

Gnomish Mustard wrote:

I checked the Nexus site and they are apparently still selling the collectors edition? Not sure what that's about.

It's about not updating their website. The CE was sold out the month (week/day?) is was released. Then again the FFG website still has the regular edition listed as available too...

As mentioned here
Re: Chance of a Re-Print

Nexus still had CE's available in Europe as late as May.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:15 pm
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Ken B.

(franklincobb)

United States
Fayetteville
Tennessee

Oh, and one more point about the original news bulletin--if Roberto and/or Francesco truly are gone from Nexus, it's over. Those guys were the heart and soul (and mad geniuses) of the company.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:15 pm
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Pablo Santangelo

(Rathke)

Argentina
Miami
Florida

NOOOO, I need my war of the ring!!! I've waited too long, they can't take that away from me now!!!

cry

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:20 pm
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Nate Merchant

(Natus)

United States
New York
New York

It's hard for an ignoramus like me to understand how the company could have suffered with what seems like two popular moneymakers like WotR and WoW. I also thought Micro Mutants was innovative and charming. But Age of Conan and Marvel Heroes were just bad, and as different from WotR as could be. But they alone couldn't have sunk the company, as they had their fans. shake

Edited Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:13 pm
Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:58 pm
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Mike King

(oneoldgamer)

United States
Wilder
Kentucky

Weren't these guys also the folks behind Battles of Napoleon? I really loved painting, and playing that game. I'll be very sad if we never get any other armies, theatres of battle and scenarios. It had its detractors, but man that was a beautiful game when the minis were painted and set up for battle. And the game, despite some rules problems, produced an epic battle that really felt like a Napoleonic battle--something CC:N never did for me.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:01 pm
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Rick Baptist

(SlikkRikk)

United States
Redlands
California

Very sad to hear about any game company going under, especially one who puts such great detail and time into their games as Nexus.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:07 pm
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Chris Farrell

(cfarrell)

United States
Cupertino
California

Nexus has always been a bit of an odd company. They have this very popular game platform, Wings of War, and it takes them forever to get expansion products into the pipeline - over a year between Famous Aces and Watch Your Back, two years between Dawn of War and Fire from the Sky. They mix great products, like the boxed sets and the minis, with highly dubious ones, like the WWII blister packs that gave you a million Spitfires and 109s when what we really needed was, like, two more (or the similar WWI blisters that gave you far more Snipes that it was humanly possible to use). While the WWI product has been generally solid, the plane mixes in the WWII line have been almost incoherent: four years and 6 products in, we still don't have either a serious post-'41 plane, or enough variety of planes to do the Battle of Britain in any depth (due to missing Me110s and bombers). But, we do have 11 different copies of the CR 42 Falco, an Italian WWII-era biplane.

Their other products also seem just all over the map. While I'm not a huge fan of War of the Ring, a lot of people like it and I can see its appeal, despite the major graphic design problems. But then they try to use the game system as a jumping off point for Conan, which was a truly awful game, or the battle games in the Battles of the Third Age, similarly awful. Nobody with any game design experience should have let either of those products out the door as they were.

This would be good news for me if they can get the Wings of War license transferred to someone who really cares about the game and can better productize it and give it the attention to detail it deserves.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:34 pm
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(cannoneer)

United States
Danbury
Connecticut

Quote:

But, we do have 11 different copies of the CR 42 Falco, an Italian WWII-era biplane.

Well, THAT's not all that hard to understand....

Edited Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:22 pm
Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:21 pm
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Barry Kendall

(Barry Kendall)

United States
Lebanon
Pennsylvania

Oh, dismay, I had been told that the D.H. 2 and Fokker Eindecker were coming this fall.

Lanoe Hawker, now lost forever.

Not to mention expansions for the big-box Napoleon game.

Oh, dismay. I knew it was too good to last.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:29 pm
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Kevin Duke

(kduke)

United States
Wynne
Arkansas

Quote:

hey mix great products, like the boxed sets and the minis, with highly dubious ones, like the WWII blister packs that gave you a million Spitfires and 109s when what we really needed was, like, two more

Actually the Spitfire and Me109 blisters gave three more, in terms of manuver decks, and what you could put on the board at the same time is what counted.

I did question some choices-- putting the unusually fast DH4 2 seater in Watch your Back (and pairing the maneuver deck with a relatively rare austrian plane--which may have been the fastest thing the CP produced to carry two people but was still a lot slower than the Dh4) was questionable. Giving us the Snipe instead of the Se5 seemed odd too.
But we got most of the planes we wanted, eventually. At least in the cards system.

But I will agree, the long lag time between wildly successful products was hard to fathom. The woW Minis came from China and I realize that getting them tooled up and making acceptable product takes some time. But given the success of the miniatures and the fact almost all of them came from existing cards, I don't understand making the 'series' have more than 12 months between each.

I've been looking forward to Series 5 and the bombers for quite some time and hope we do get to see them.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:40 pm
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Jay Levy

(jayntampa)

United States

Florida

I was looking forward to the Magestorm expansion that was announced ... And to pick up a copy of the War of the Ring reprint.

Hope the games don't die with the company ... Someone should be able to scoop up the rights.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:19 pm
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Will DeMorris

(Bulwyf)

United States
El Paso
Texas

I am sad to see a game company go under, but let's face it. Nexus had some real duds in it's library. Perhaps it was dragged under by the weight of those duds or the principals of the company have decided it's time to move on. Only time will tell what happens to Nexus's product lines. I would be very surprised if the more successful ones did not move to other publishers. Personally I'm very happy to have a copy of WotR + expansion as it's one of the best games I own. Thank you Nexus guys and good luck to you.

-Will

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:23 pm
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Laughing Cow Cheese

(Laughing Cow Cheese)

Spokane
Washington

Thanks for the heads up. I just ordered Letters from Whitechapel even though none of my gaming partners will play it with me because of the theme. Maybe some day!

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:23 pm
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Chris Farrell

(cfarrell)

United States
Cupertino
California

cannoneer wrote:

Quote:

But, we do have 11 different copies of the CR 42 Falco, an Italian WWII-era biplane.

Well, THAT's not all that hard to understand....

Yeah, that's the problem though. Nobody's looking over their shoulder saying, look, that's great that we're giving the Italian planes some exposure, but what the market really wants is the iconic planes of the war: Spitfires and 109's, but also P-51s, P-38s, Corsairs, B-17s, FW-190s. Those will move some units. Gladiators and CR 42s, planes of the Spanish and Russian civil wars, not so much. It's incredible that they've let the product line go so long (over four years) without getting some of those planes out.

Plus, if you want to do (say) a Battle of Britain-themed series of games, you need to piece together planes from three different sets: base, Fire from the Sky, and probably Flying Legends. PTO planes are similarly scattered. I bet "Battle of Britain" and "Battle of Midway" boxes sets would have been easier to sell, and it wouldn't be so much work to put together games that make sense.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:35 pm
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Alan Kaiser

(alkaiser)

United States
Aurora
Colorado

Ahhh CRAP!! I just traded my copy of War of the Ring away to make room for the new version that was to come out in several months! Talk about bad timing. Oh well, it is too popular a game to just disappear completely so if Nexus/NG goes under I'm sure someone with half a brain will pick up that game and publish it.

Posted Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:02 pm
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Doug Adams

(dougadamsau)

Australia
Oakleigh
Victoria

Boink

If true, very sad news. One of the better game publishers out there.

Nexus Fan

Posted Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:48 am
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RUSH May 28th 2013

(EYE of NiGHT)

England
York
North Yorkshire

Eric, do you think the liquidated stock will be around at Essen or will it get into the distribution chain much faster? Obviously, this is hard to know, but what's your opinion?

Or rather, is it worth snapping up stuff you really want right now or hang on and get it cheap at Essen or online later?

Posted Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:48 am
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Yours Truly,

(JohnnyDollar)

United States
Gainesville
Florida

Thumbed up but more as a gesture of "dislike but important news to know"... soblue

Posted Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:32 am
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Frog

(D6Frog)

United States

Hopefully FFG buys up the rights/license to War of the Ring.

Posted Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:54 am
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Jarratt Davis

(Hatonastick)

Australia
Adelaide

Wow... If this is true then our hobby just got smaller and poorer, at least in my eyes as I'm a Nexus fan myself.

Posted Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:43 am
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(Cardboard Carnage)

United States
Cameron
Montana

Check out the Cardboard Carnage Blog right here on BGG!

Well, we'll see what the official word is when (if) it happens. Hopefully not, there are some great games that would be a shame to see go... I was also hoping for a War of the Ring reprint, and the Wings of War series is great too...

Posted Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:08 am
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Chris Miller

(MillertimeRC)

United States
Rock Hill
South Carolina

Natus wrote:

It's hard for an ignoramus like me to understand how the company could have suffered with what seems like two popular moneymakers like WotR and WoW. I also thought Micro Mutants was innovative and charming. But Age of Conan and Marvel Heroes were just bad, and as different from WotR as could be. But they alone couldn't have sunk the company, as they had their fans. shake

I don't have any "inside" information, but it does seem to indicate some internal and/or bad decision making problems. As you said they had two product lines that, by appearances, should be cash cows.

Wings of War is a great product with ravenous fans. On the Yahoo Group WOW_Nexus there is a rather large group of die hard fans that have been griping about Nexus for a long time. They have been standing around waiting, cash in hand, for new products and reprints of existing products long sold out. Years of extended delays and disapearing new releases hasn't pushed them away, but over those years Nexus failed to bring product to the stores for some reason or reasons.

War of the Rings is regarded by many as a masterpiece game, and similar to WoW, people have been waiting to throw money at it.

I can't speculate on why a company has rights to almost guaranteed sales and doesn't get the product out, but if I guessed I would put it at a lack of backing money. It's not easy to get production moving on expensive items like this, even if you feel sure they will sell for a profit.

Regardless, I can only say I hope it's all wrong and the company is healthy. I love WoW and was excited to hear that the out of print items would be coming back soon.

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Giles Pritchard

(caradoc)

Australia
Shepparton
Victoria

As another big Nexus fan I really hope this rumour turns out to be something quite different. Nexus have some wonderful games - here's hoping they're ok!

Cheers,

Giles.

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Paul Beasi

(seqiro)

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I really hope this isn't true, as I was looking forward to Magestorm expansions after recently playing the game and discovering how great it was even as a non-wargamer.

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Ben Boersma

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Australia
Pakenham
Victoria

It would be a big loss to the industry to have Nexus go under.

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0,07 Geek Gold

(james_bond)

Italy

· · · — — — · · ·

Not only NG is in trouble... Also the rest of Italy :-(

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Jim O'Neill (Established 1949)

(oneilljgf)

Scotland
Motherwell
I aten't dead yet...

james_bond wrote:

Not only NG is in trouble... Also the rest of Italy :-(

Maybe we could petition Berlusconi... on second thoughts, we'd end up with Battles of Napoleon with a regiment of naked vivandieres and renamed BUNGA-BUNGA - Les manoeuvres sur les derrieres.

Jim
Est. 1949

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Stefaan Henderickx

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Burcht
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I think we should wait for a confirmation of the news first. Anyway my respect for Nexus because they dared to bring a collector's edition of great quality, I hope other publishers will take the challenge (and finacial risk) to do this for their topgames (I can think of some games which deserve this treatment.
I do not think it's this edition that took them down if the news is confirmed.

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Surya Van Lierde is pure Eurosnoot and proud of it!

(Surya)

Belgium
Gijzegem

DrMayhem wrote:

roberious wrote:

Hopefully someone will come along and pick up the product line since for the most part it seemed quite successful, although some titles weren't that popular like Magestorm, Conan, Dakota

Magestorm and Dakota seemed too highly priced to me, and I think they published these without partners for release in the United States...

It seems they anticipated better response and built their cash flow and financial models on top of that expectation...

That was exactly what I was thinking. They probably gambled on those getting better traction in the USA and I think they might have had too big print runs for those.

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Steve Duke

(sduke)

United States
Georgetown
Texas

also P-51s, P-38s, Corsairs, B-17s, FW-190s

Chris
I believe one of the limiting factors that they realized is the planes you mentioned were too fast for the way the current game plays. They were in a quandry, as I understand it, and had not arrived at a workable solution. That's why we are 'stuck' with early planes.

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Chris Farrell

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California

sduke wrote:

also P-51s, P-38s, Corsairs, B-17s, FW-190s

Chris
I believe one of the limiting factors that they realized is the planes you mentioned were too fast for the way the current game plays. They were in a quandry, as I understand it, and had not arrived at a workable solution. That's why we are 'stuck' with early planes.

Thd P-51 was not dramatically faster than a Spitfire ... maybe 430 to 380mph top speed? If they locked themselves in to the Spitfire/109 being the fastest plane in the game, this is just more evidence for what I'm saying ... they needed a product person at Nexus looking over their shoulder saying look, this game is going to need to support some later-war planes at some point. If all the game can cover is the Battle of France and Britain, the era of Wildcats and Buffalos in the Pacific, and pre-WWII conflicts, that's not going to cut it. You need to recalibrate so you have some room for faster planes.

Looking at the cards, it does look like you're right ... the Spitfire does define the maximum speed for the game by using the whole maneuver card for a fast straight ahead. So they don't have room for any faster planes. Which doesn't seem like it was the smartest decision going in, given that shortening the arrows by just 15% or so would have given them the space they needed.

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Aaron Neilson

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Élisabeth Vigée-Lebrun (1755–1842). Self-Portrait in a Straw Hat. After 1782. Oil on canvas, 98 x 70 cm. National Gallery, London, UK.

stefaan wrote:

I think we should wait for a confirmation of the news first. *snipped*

Cross posting from the WingsofWar.org website. This is from Andrea Angiolino, designer of Wings of War.
WingsofWar.org Thread

Quote:

2011/7/30 R. J.:
> So are you saying the game is now dead?

The game survived its first publisher, Nexus Editrice, who released it in 2004 and lost it in early 2008 when NG International started making it. Speaking in the abstract, all the rumors apart, I am 100% sure that it could also survive another publisher change as many other games did in the past. Please do not ask me more and let me warmly thank all of you - if this game is so popular and strong it is because you decided to play, spread, support it so much for years and years, in spite of everything. My high confidence in WoW's future comes from you.

Thanks again, I really mean it.

- - -

My thankings are very true to all of you in this forum too.

All the best,

Andrea

This implies to me that there maybe some smoke to this rumor even though Andrea could not confirm or deny the rumor.

*edited for my opinion change*

Edited Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:07 pm
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William Gaskill

(Old Dwarf)

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New Jersey

Maybe it's my fault I never purchased any of their Games

In any case it's always sad to loose a Game Company.

OD

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Pete

(Strom40)

United States
Ypsilanti
Michigan

The grace of Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Thanks for the info - I hope it's not true. Marvel Heroes was brutal but Age of Conan is a great game that could've easily supported expansions. That said, I purchased both games.

All the best to those involved - hope it works out.

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Roberto Di Meglio

(cybernex)

Italy
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Unspecified

I won't comment about the financial status of NG International.

However, I can confirm that I have now left the company - last week, to be exact, after resigning on june 28th with a 30-days notice, the same day that the last two employees of the company were fired.

I just want to say that the problems were not related to the results of our latest US releases without a partner - Whitechapel was great, selling out in 2 months, and while neither Magestorm or Dakota were huge successes, they did fine from a financial point of view.

As it happens, games are tougher than companies, so I am sure that any good game which was in Nexus' catalog will show up again somewhere else, sooner or later!

Thanks to everybody who had nice words for us.

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Lance Hobday

(Yadboh)

United States
Paron
Arkansas

Hope to see you back in the business soon Roberto!

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Chris Tham

(chriswtham)

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Oklahoma

Best game ever!

Happy Gaming!

Thanks for the games Roberto. I hope you find a new game company to call home soon!

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RJD

(UnluckyNumber)

United States
Quad-Cities
Illinois

RequiemX wrote:

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

I need my War of The Ring reprint! zombie

Yeah, you said it. I've been waiting for a long, long while and really looking forward to the eventual reprint.

This is horrible news.

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Rolling bad dice in wargames since 1977

(BradyLS)

United States
Austin
Texas

cfarrell wrote:

Yeah, that's the problem though. Nobody's looking over their shoulder saying, look, that's great that we're giving the Italian planes some exposure, but what the market really wants is the iconic planes of the war: Spitfires and 109's, but also P-51s, P-38s, Corsairs, B-17s, FW-190s. Those will move some units....I bet "Battle of Britain" and "Battle of Midway" boxes sets would have been easier to sell, and it wouldn't be so much work to put together games that make sense.

My friends and a store shop owner have been saying much the same thing. We love the WWI series and sets and think they've been a spectacular success. Fans of the game, miniaturists, and collectors have all enjoyed snapping up those well-built and colorful models.

For WWII, we thought boxed sets covering particular aerial campaigns would have met with equal success. A set featuring the Wildcat, Zero, Val, Kate, Devastator, and Dauntless would have sold gangbusters. Imagine doing the carrier battles of the early Pacific campaigns with just that handful of models! Similar things might have been done for Battle of Britain, Air War over Germany, North Africa, etc.

I at least hope that what was planned next sees the light of day!

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Emmanuel Aquin

(Amiral)

Canada
Mont-Saint-Hilaire
Quebec

And D-Day Dice, too!

I'm an "A"vatar.

For those who are wondering why WWII Wings of War didn't release any plane from 1942+, I remember reading a post from the designer (Andrea) that said that they were still working on how to include those faster planes without making all the other ones useless. Something to do with game balance. He specifically said that was why the first boxes would only include earlier WWII planes, to give them time to iron out speed issues.

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Nick Szegedi

(holywolfman)

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Las Vegas
Nevada

Yeah, Thanks again, Roberto for all the cool games you have brought us....especially the WotR-CE... a great Masterpiece!

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Andrea Angiolino

(angiolillo)

Italy
Rome
European Union

I must thank Roberto, who believed in this game from the very start - far more than any other would-be publisher. And to thank the NG International former staff. All of them, but let me quote especially Fabio Maiorana who gave shape to the game with all the visulal impact it has, and Fabrizio Rolla who has been the valuable editor of the whole line.
Many more people around the world contributed to the success of the game illustrating, translating, producing, distributing, promoting, supporting it. I owe them my gratitude and I am aware that problems to the game may mean problems to the jobs of several persons around. But in this very moment, the people that were at NG are on top of my mind.

Since it seems to be of interest to many of you, let me also give you my point of view on the problem of "quicker" planes. A range of four famed fighters among which the P-51 and F.W. 190 has been choosen time ago for a new series of planes that would go over the "wall" of 600 km/h, the speed of a full arrow on the actual cards. With their release, the road would be open to any other quick plane of the war as the Corsair and the Mosquito, the late Spitfires and the P-38 - just name them. The design is a relative problem - give them longer arrows on a different support and all is solved: as you may guess from this very thread, the key word is actually "release". And not from today. The release of this and other longed for products - many of which you know already since you saw projects, layouts, prototypes and even pre-production samples.

Until we stick to "slower" planes, for the Axis side we will naturally have more Japanese and Italian fighters than German ones (letting Vichy/captured planes apart). This is because of the Luftwaffe standardization, and it is the same reason why we have less French fighters in the WW1 line (the Aviation Militaire was very standardized as well). Up to 600 km/h, the early Bf.109s are the only model of single engine fighter available. With the introduction of 2 engine planes (see Wings of War: Rain of Destruction) the Bf.110 would be added. With "quicker" planes we will add the F.W.190... And maybe some day the jet and rocket fighters. But not so much else, be prepared. My friend Gregory, a famed aviation historian who has been always helpful with advices, wrote interesting things about how the Italian royalties system for the projects of military airplanes during WW2 pushed against a standardization. So most factories tended to develope their own designs instead than licensing those of other producers. This made things like logistics and training more difficult. Germans avoided this mistake, so we have less German historical subjects to choose for the game, even among the "quicker" planes.

Allowing quicker planes to be handled from the start by the actual system using the standard WW1 cart/base would have been unwise IMHO. WW2 saw so a great jump from biplanes to jets in its 6 years. It is already not so easy to handle the differencies among the "slow" planes in the game as the Stuka and the Hurricane, the Dauntless and the Bf. 109E, the He.111 and the Beaufighter, the Gladiator and the Do.17, and the early versions of the Reisen, the Spitfire, the P-40. Plus the planes to come, as the 3 and 4 engine bombers that will have to be added sooner or later. I would have big difficulties introducing a subject like the Swordfish, who has been the hero of episodes as the raid over Taranto, the hunt for the Bismark, the battle of Cape Matapan. Compressing the speed ranges even more would have been too much. This said, of course an earlier release of quicker plane would have been desirable: but we do not live in a perfect world at all it seems.

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Eric Dodd

(Red Wine Pie)

New Zealand
Martinborough
Wairarapa

Thanks Andrea, it's good to hear how you've been looking at these design issues.

Best of luck for all the popular Nexus games to thrive wherever they end up.

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Ray Smith

(rdsmith)

United States
Newburg
Pennsylvania

Stay thirsty my friends.

MageStorm is super! I wondered why the Fallen Shadow expansion hasn't been released yet, since it is supposedly finished.

I certainly hope someone picks up the reins on NG. A tragic loss if not.

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Rolling bad dice in wargames since 1977

(BradyLS)

United States
Austin
Texas

Amiral wrote:

For those who are wondering why WWII Wings of War didn't release any plane from 1942+, I remember reading a post from the designer (Andrea) that said that they were still working on how to include those faster planes without making all the other ones useless. Something to do with game balance. He specifically said that was why the first boxes would only include earlier WWII planes, to give them time to iron out speed issues.

I think I recall something similar. But how hard is it to go to a larger size maneuver card for the later planes if space on a card is the driving issue? Or to release a set of models for the Battle of Britain or the Early Pacific in one go until the 1942+ problem is solved?

As I said, WoW fans weren't the only folks interested in the models. Miniatures gamers (who might use them for a different game) and collectors (who simply admire them) would have bought them regardless of those issues. Their main concern is that they're part of a set of aircraft from the same aerial campaign from a gaming and collecting standpoint.

Alright, I get I'm not in the loop on all the issues that drive the decisions. But...I dunno. Mongo just spend money and play games.

Edited Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:52 pm
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Steve Duke

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As I recall, the reason we have the card size the way they are now is due to some European playing card 'tax' or the equivalent, for larger size playing cards.

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Will Miner

(billingspike)

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Tennessee

Andrea,Maybe Wizards of the coast,,the Avalon Hill side would be a natural fit for Wings of War,,I dont know if they would screw it up,,or make it better, But they seem like they have deep pockets.Thanks again to all former Nexus employes,love your games and imagination.

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Andrea Angiolino

(angiolillo)

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European Union

Thanks a lot Will, there are IMHO many things to consider if we have to choose a new publisher. Among them: time to market for new releases and reprints, keeping everything new 100% compatible with issued items (not for me but for the people who bought previous releases), chances that they will go on at a steady pace supporying the game and not just give a try to it and then stop. Besides economical aspects too.
Yours is a very good and sound suggestion anyway.

For Steve: good guess, there was a tax on cards in Italy when I was a kid and small sized cards (patience and smaller, the ones we call "mignon") were exempted as being supposedly children toys. I think that this tax was first introduced in France in 1583 by Henry III. But it does not exist any more in most of the countries as far as I know - for example the tax was suppressed in 1973 in Italy when VAT was introduced.
The prototype was drawn by me with permanent felt pens on Magic-sized blank cards, gift by Carta Mundi for my designer job. The idea to reduce the size belongs to Roberto, to allow people to have a decent dogfight or bombing mission on any dining table in any modern flat (not so large here around) and to allow larger scenarios without renting a gym.

For BradyLS: all miniatures are sold in Airplane Packs with a single subject, so you can choose just the ones you are interested into if you do not want to take the whole series.

Thanks to all of you for your kind words. Forgive me if I will not answer any more for a while.

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Cracky McCracken

(Cracky)

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Love your little WW1 planes Andrea!!! Maybe FFG or someone will be interested in continuing your game line. Thanks and good luck!

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Seth Owen

(wargamer55)

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Norwich
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I just want to thank Andrea for taking the time to discuss this. It's a great service for the fans of a game when the designer is so approachable and makes such substantive replies.

I'm a little worried about the future of Wings of War because it's likely that a change of publishers will bring all sort of complications that will have an adverse effect on us getting new toys, but the enthusiastic response to the game leaves me optimistic that someone will find it worthwhile to pick up the ball. Hopefully there aren't any of those pesky lawyerly considerations lurking that have tripped up some other games in the past.

Edited Mon Aug 1, 2011 4:23 am
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Mike Jones

(Dwarflord22)

I just got into Wings of War very recently and have purchased a considerable amount of items for both versions. I was looking forward to the upcoming releases, especially the reprint of WWI Series I and the WWII Series 3 release.

Some web sites have the WWII Series 3 models available for pre-orders. Will they actually be available?

P.S. Thank you to the game designers for creating a great game system. I especially enjoy the miniatures! Please keep us posted on future releases, distributors, etc. when you can. We are hungry for more!!

Posted Mon Aug 1, 2011 8:04 am
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Chris Miller

(MillertimeRC)

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Dwarflord22 wrote:

...

Some web sites have the WWII Series 3 models available for pre-orders. Will they actually be available?

...

Considering the timing of things, I'd say that what is out there now is it. The company announces that it's distributor is dropping the line, but it will distribute product themselves. A schedule is put up of things in the near future for release. Less than one month later the company is out of business.

Sounds to me like we didn't get the full story around the start of July regarding the change to distribution. The company should have known at that point if it could survive on it's own long enough to get product to retailers. They certainly would have known if they could float for a month safely. Now we're hearing dates earlier in the month when staff were let go.. my guess is that Nexus knew they were closing well before the FFG split announcement.

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Stephan

(Silenus)

Germany

cybernex wrote:

As it happens, games are tougher than companies, so I am sure that any good game which was in Nexus' catalog will show up again somewhere else, sooner or later!

Nicely said, signore Di Meglio. Good luck for your future projects!

Posted Mon Aug 1, 2011 12:07 pm
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Roberto Di Meglio

(cybernex)

Italy
Unspecified
Unspecified

MillertimeRC wrote:

my guess is that Nexus knew they were closing well before the FFG split announcement.

I don't know about what other people in the company knew, but at the time the distribution ties with FFG were cut, the staff was still here working and, while we knew about the difficulties, there was still hope that the owners of the company could find different solutions (refinancing, finding a buyer for the company or parts of it).

We all indeed tried to work as if all was "normal" until the very end, as this looked like the only reasonable thing to do while waiting for the fate of the company to be deliberated by the "high spheres".

There are actually games which were ready and printed (Micro Monsters, the english reprint of Battles of Napoleon) which did not ship out of factory and are still in China now.

Other games were almost ready to go the printer (Fallen Shadow) when we had to stop.
And several more (and a lot of WOW stuff) were in the pipeline of course...

Posted Mon Aug 1, 2011 12:39 pm
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Gustavo Queiroz

(SeteRolos)

Brazil
Belo Horizonte
Minas Gerais

And about replacement parts, still have any email that i can write, or no emails are working anymore?
I would like to ask about Letters From Whitechapel.

Posted Mon Aug 1, 2011 3:58 pm
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Andrea Ligabue

(liga)

Italy
Modena
Italy

cybernex wrote:

As it happens, games are tougher than companies, so I am sure that any good game which was in Nexus' catalog will show up again somewhere else, sooner or later!

Thanks to everybody who had nice words for us.

Anyway I hope you and other peoples from Nexus/NG couls still be able to design, produce and support games ... what Nexus/NG has done both in Italy and in the world for games and gamers is so great that I'm not able to think you can stop now!

good luck Roberto!
Liga

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Roberto Di Meglio

(cybernex)

Italy
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I don't think that there is anybody who can help on replacement parts at this moment, somebody should still be reading the customer care address (ngsales[AT]nginternational.eu) but I don't know in practice what they can do.

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James Hébert

(jhebert)

United States
Topeka
Kansas

Roberto, thank you for sharing what you can with us.

I can only imagine what it must feel like. Did you depart for reasons related to the closure... or were they for other reasons? I hope no one showed up only to "find out" they were no longer employed.

I have only just recently been able to begin to "fill out" my WoW collection of games and planes. I would venture a guess to say that all product "in game stores, or in the distribution channels" now, is all we will see for the time being.

It was one of the first games recommended to me, by Andrea, here, when I asked "what to buy?" It's a top quality product. Must have been exciting to be a part of it.

I too hope that it is continued!

This is just a curious question... but I am ignorant the answer. Who owns the game (I guess in terms of copyright and artwork)? And, after these have been purchased by a new company, can anyone say how long will be needed to begin production and distribution again? Even a guess as to the turnaround time? I assume we will see it again, and I am curious how long it may take, if anyone has an informed opinion.

Thank you again, to Roberto and Andrea. and the people who made WoW happen! Looking forward to its return, and to your continued involvementin the game community!!

James

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Roberto Di Meglio

(cybernex)

Italy
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In fact, I did leave because my role at NG had become meaningless, when the remaining production staff was fired.

Ownership of the rights to the game belongs to the authors, the situation with other related elements may be different from case to case (rights to illustration may belong to the artist, the publisher, can be used in an exclusive or non-exclusive way...)

At this moment it's difficult to say when WoW can be back on the market, as when contracts and assets become entangled in a crisis, they can come out sooner or later... We'll see!

I am sure Andrea will do everything in his power to get the game back onto the market sooner than later!

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Peter Cox

(petercox1001)

Bosnia & Herzegovina

War of the Ring WAS on the upcoming part of the FFG website. It's not there anymore...

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Kev.

(hipshot)

United States
Austin
Texas

TheBigBoard-Blog www.meshtime.com

An enterprising lad would try and buy the stock in China, ad see what could be sold.
K

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Andrea Angiolino

(angiolillo)

Italy
Rome
European Union

Well, we are speaking of games - not of lighters or tomato cans. That enterprising lad should first make deals with authors. And license owners, if it's the War of the Ring you have in mind. Or he would get in troubles as soon as he would try to sell anything.

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Will Miner

(billingspike)

United States
Memphis
Tennessee

Andrea,How well do you know Peter Jackson famous movie director?,and I might add avid World War 1 aviation buff so much so he owns the largest collection of flying WW1 aircraft.He also owns Wingnut model airplanes,donates untold amounts of money to the OMAKA aviation mueseum in New Zealand....and he collects minitures. Almost forgot hes a billionare

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Harald Korneliussen

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Norway

CovertDad wrote:

When they (quietly) announced the cancellation of the Age of Conan: The Strategy Board Game expansion, I wondered why... Guess maybe that was the writing on the wall?

ninja

Maybe this is exactly what you're trying to suggest, but I wouldn't be surprised if they paid a bit for the rights to make that game. And subsequently found it to be a bad investment...

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Carl Patten

(Myok)

United States
St. Paul
Minnesota

No, no, I'm fine. How are you?

I'm sad that the Nexus Designers' Series probably ends with this news. Hopefully the second game in the series, Aztlan, will find a new home.

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Andrea Vigiak

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Italy

Kansas

All best wishes to Roberto, Andrea and the people I know working and contributors to NGI.

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Neil Wehneman

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United States
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Ohio

angiolillo wrote:

Well, we are speaking of games - not of lighters or tomato cans. That enterprising lad should first make deals with authors. And license owners, if it's the War of the Ring you have in mind. Or he would get in troubles as soon as he would try to sell anything.

Not in the U.S. he wouldn't. Someone who lawfully acquires a copyrighted work can resell the same work without a license from the original copyright holder.

This is called First Sale (17 U.S.C. § 109), although many other countries call the doctrine "exhaustion" (as in, the copyright is "exhausted" for purposes of resale upon the first lawful acquisition).

So, assuming China (or wherever) follows First Sale or exhaustion, if Nexus has printed inventory under a lawful license, Nexus can resell that inventory to whomever they like, consistent with the license, who can then resell that inventory as they like.

If this weren't the case, it would be an infringement of copyright to resell or trade out your old copies of games that include copyrightable elements, as you are distributing a copyrighted work (which is one of the five exclusive rights of a copyright holder).

- Neil Wehneman

Edit: This question might become stickier if there is some explicit contractual clause between the Tolkien Estate and Nexus dealing with unsold inventory in the event of insolvency or whatever. But in that case we're dealing with a contract issue and not a copyright issue. If the license forbids Nexus' distribution of the works upon insolvency, then it's arguable that later purchasers are not lawfully acquiring copies (and hence can't rely on First Sale or exhaustion).

But this is all speculation, as I don't know Nexus' facts and haven't seen the license (and don't expect to). The primary point I wanted to make is that generally people can lawfully purchase and resell copyrighted works, without worrying about copyright licenses, thanks to First Sale / exhaustion.

Final legal note: I'm licensed in the U.S. but not elsewhere. Consult a lawyer in your jurisdiction if you actually need legal advice.

Post Script: all the best to Nexus and their current or former people. War of the Ring is my favorite game, and I am saddened to hear of this news. Discussion of tangential legalities should not overshadow this sad news.

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Jonathan Korie

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Italy

I have no word to describe my feeling...

I hope everyone in Nexus/NGI will be ok and I send my best wishes to Roberto, Fabio, Fabrizio and everyone in Viareggio.

As the author of two of their last games I'm screaming and crying. Of course my sadness is nothing compared to what Nexus guys are experiencing. Loosing the job after so many years of hard work and so many beautiful games published is terrible.

I hope for the best.

Piero

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Izack Chee

(izack)

Singapore
Singapore
Singapore

this is very sad, i'm a big fan of Nexus games due to the fact that they have good game systems with nice chrome

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Surya Van Lierde is pure Eurosnoot and proud of it!

(Surya)

Belgium
Gijzegem

landaras wrote:

angiolillo wrote:

Well, we are speaking of games - not of lighters or tomato cans. That enterprising lad should first make deals with authors. And license owners, if it's the War of the Ring you have in mind. Or he would get in troubles as soon as he would try to sell anything.

Not in the U.S. he wouldn't. Someone who lawfully acquires a copyrighted work can resell the same work without a license from the original copyright holder.

Same for Belgium. If a distributor in Belgium still had stock he bought months ago, he wouldn't have to do anything to lawfully be able to sell them.

landaras wrote:

So, assuming China (or wherever) follows First Sale or exhaustion, if Nexus has printed inventory under a lawful license, Nexus can resell that inventory to whomever they like, consistent with the license, who can then resell that inventory as they like.

That could be during a limited period only, if stipulated in the contract.

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Ben Boersma

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Australia
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Korie wrote:

I have no word to describe my feeling...

I hope everyone in Nexus/NGI will be ok and I send my best wishes to Roberto, Fabio, Fabrizio and everyone in Viareggio.

As the author of two of their last games I'm screaming and crying. Of course my sadness is nothing compared to what Nexus guys are experiencing. Loosing the job after so many years of hard work and so many beautiful games published is terrible.

I hope for the best.

Piero

Do you have any idea of what will happen with Magestorm?

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Andrea Angiolino

(angiolillo)

Italy
Rome
European Union

Thanks a lot to Neil and Surya. Yes, of course I will check everything with lawyers.
I will bother you with a MP, Neil. Thanks again.

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beresford dickens

(beresford)

United Kingdom

ROBERTO, can you answer a couple of questions on your own time?:

I read somewhere that Nexus had a reprint of the English edition of 'Battles of Napoleon' in progress in China. Does this mean that BON sold well and was a success?

Do you know if there were any changes in the reprint (even stating what a '0' on the die signified or correcting the misprinted Order marker)?

Edited Wed Aug 3, 2011 11:02 pm
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Adam Daulton

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United States
Indianapolis
Indiana

I actually passed up on a copy of WotR earlier this summer for $85 thinking I'd get the reprint "coming" in September. But then just this week someone traded me a copy for Rallyman, which I couldn't pass up, so I took it. Now I'm REALLY happy I did. Really hope this isn't true, because WotR needs to be in the hands of the masses.

Posted Wed Aug 3, 2011 5:32 pm
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Jean Lannes

(Marechallannes)

Germany
Zirndorf
Bavaria

Sad News... cry

I'am a great fan of both Wings of War Series, Marvel Heroes, Battles of Napoleon...

What about the WoW I and the WoW II bomber miniatures?

What about Rain of Destruction?

Hope the best.

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Dan Cavaliere

(Gamer DC)

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Littleton
Colorado

seqiro wrote:

I really hope this isn't true, as I was looking forward to Magestorm expansions after recently playing the game and discovering how great it was even as a non-wargamer.

Paul,

You and me both - my son and I love MageStorm and were really looking forward to the expansions. I was excited to see them coming out soon but I think it will be a long long while if they every make it with someone else...

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-=] Deroan [=-

(Cardboard Carnage)

United States
Cameron
Montana

Check out the Cardboard Carnage Blog right here on BGG!

am I correctly understanding that MageStorms expansion was DONE and ready for production? With it being that close to release, we might see it sooner rather than later.

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Dan Cavaliere

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Not according to THIS thread. soblue

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Jonathan Korie

(Korie)

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Thanks for appreciating Magestorm.
I'm doing everything I can to keep Magestorm alive.
Soon I will open the website for it.
Stay tuned.

Piero

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Klaus Fritsch

(PlayBear)

Germany
Cologne
Unspecified

cybernex wrote:

Ownership of the rights to the game belongs to the authors

Thanks for all the great games.

I really hope someone will continue Battles of Napoleon which, in my opinion, is a brilliant game on the period. At that scale (or any other), I haven't played any Napoleonic game that is better at showing the period correctly and is still very playable.

Klaus goo

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