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All testers now have access
All who have applied for being beta testers now have access, over 1000 helpful! A big thank you to everyone! If you have filled in the application form but have not received the invite, please contact me.

Additional attachments now work
The BugDigger developers have been very helpful and added a workaround to limitations in JIRA. It is now possible to upload additional files with a report.

Reporting without BugDigger
Thanks to the workaround (it is on the server side), it is also possible to create reports and upload files without using the BugDigger plugin. It takes more time, gives us less information, but if you cannot install the plugin for some reason (using another browser, having a restricted computer) you can still create reports. How to do this is now added to the Instructions, see the end of that post.

Changes to Search
We have done changes to search, and working on more changes. We hope to release both Search and Advanced Search next week, so please wait with reports on Search until that time.

Search
The main Search bar now shows the current type you are searching for instead of the generic "search the geek" phrase.

Advanced Search
If you do a search on a type on the advanced page, and click on the tab to change to another type, the search will be repeated (sans options, only the search query) on the new type. Example: if you are searching on RPG Items for "test" and click on the RPG settings tab, it will reload the page searching for "test" on RPG Settings.

If you do not have the ajax search enabled (you can change it on My Geek > Account > Layout Settings), typing a string and then clicking on any type inside options, will take you to that advanced search page, and automatically perform the search.

If you DO have the ajax search:
- If you lose focus of the search, the term and results will simply be hidden, instead of destroyed. Clicking on the bar will show them again.
- If you perform a search and afterwards change the search type, it will now redo the search with the same term, for the new type.

Weekly focus
This week (from today until next Thursday, that is) we focus on testing GeekItem Creation. The update email accidentally listed Profile, Search and Advanced Search too, but please wait with reporting on those systems. Remember that what you do on the beta site is done also to the live site. If you create any new items this week, please create them on the beta site and verify that everything works.

GeekItem is the system that includes games, companies, people (such as designers and artists), weblinks, versions, Properties, Families, categories, podcasts, periodicals, honors (awards like SdJ), video game characters, walkthroughs and more.

In the menu, under Misc/Create, everything there are GeekItems that want to be created

Thanks for your help!

Some of the issues that were fixed during the last week. Please check, especially if you reported it.
GeekMail was broken at last week's release with the editor update. It was not possible to reply. Fixed.
GeekMod sidebar doesn't load. Fixed.
Errors when deleting geeklist items. Fixed.
Special characters look wrong when searching. Fixed.
Search box at the top is not intuitive. Many changes, fixed.
Search text does not appear in search box. Fixed.
Account: Option to buy avatar, overtext, badge, uberbadge, or adblock still present when they have already been bought. Fixed.
Can't edit personal information. Fixed.
VGG Character Versions unnamed on items contributions page. Fixed on both current and the beta site.
Overtext doesn't work. Fixed.
Patron 12 badge not showing. Fixed.
Editor tools not working. Fixed.
The flag mouseovers do not work. Fixed.
Emoticons in profile text are not appearing properly. Fixed.
Subtype inspector for Geekitems missing. Fixed.
Platform pages take a LONG time to load. Fixed.
Going to page 2 of geekmail seems to hang. Fixed.
Clicking a bucket nav item in certain ways gives an error. Fixed.
Create category frontpages. "Overview" added.

BETA SYSTEMS STATUS

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Front Page - Inc. customization
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GeekItem Admin Tools
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GeekFeed
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Blogs
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File Page
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Wiki
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GeekItem Accelerator
Homepage Banner Rotator
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Flag/User Browser
eBay
Guilds
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GeekBuddies
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Marketplace
GeekExchange
GeekAuctions
GeekCurrent
GeekChat
GeekQuestions


Changing Domains
If you want to change domains you click on the images on the footer of the page, the URL won’t change but until you do something to change again you should still be on the new domain.

New Global Forums
Although there are three “domains” to the geek, in the end it is only one big site, instead of a simple network of sites. In face of that there has been a change to the organization of the forums. The old GeekDo News got some new friends, and they are now visible on the Forum list under “Global Forums”. The new forums are:
- How to Geek;
- Geek Bugs;
- Geek Suggestions;
- Complaints Department;
- RSP;
- Spam;
- Testing;

When we launch (but not before as this change would affect the live site as well) threads that are now on the equivalent domain forums (for Geek Bugs it would BGG Bugs, RPGG Bugs, etc) will be moved to the Global Forum. Also, a new forum, again only on launch, will be added to each domain called “Domain Discussion”. This forum will be a catch-all type to encompass domain specific bugs, suggestions and how-tos. These will become rarer as time pass, so it should be easy to manage only one. The Off-Topic forums (Arcade, Chit Chat and Tavern) will be kept separated and will be moved from the Everything Else header to the DOMAIN Related header. We have not decided on the Creative Fodder yet.

Empty pages
Some pages, especially things that are sorted by Hot might appear empty the first time you check. If you recheck it after about 5 mins it should show correctly. This is because you might hit a cache that is not created yet. And after the first hit it is created.

Other known issues
Geeklists are getting reworked. The functionality is there, it works, but it will be changed in layout.

The customization has changed completely. You can click on customization on the bottom of the navigation panel and change what block of information to show, and edit the details of each one.

Checking your geekmail or a subscription might not correctly mark it as read, so there might be a difference between the beta and the live site.

Image caches have not been regenerated. This means that for example the hotness images look very odd.

The laurel image on the ranks is a placeholder.

If you change the page or filter on the hotness and hit the back button it opens the hotness on the center bucket.

The “Next Unread Item” might hit an error page. That is because some of the subscription types have not been converted yet, so if you hit one of those it won’t work.

The social web bucket is not there.

The recent activity is not styled yet.

Most of your old quickbar links should be converted, although there is a bug where the pages are shifted 1 to the right (so your first page is now page 2). They are not synced with the live site and will be converted again before release.

The site loads slow from time to time.
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In the email update sent out, the subject accidentally listed Search, Advanced Search, Profile in addition to GeekItem Creation. Sorry for that, those systems are not ready to test yet.

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Am I missing how to add a particular forum to my Home Page? For example, I'd like ""Buying & Selling" or "Hot Deals' to be on my homepage. Thanks.
 
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RustanR wrote:
Most of your old quickbar links should be converted, although there is a bug where the pages are shifted 1 to the right (so your first page is now page 2).


I have items on page 9 and 10 of my current quickbar. The new quickbar only goes to 8. Will users lose anything on the last 2 or 3 pages of the quickbar when the new design goes live?
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RustanR wrote:
Most of your old quickbar links should be converted, although there is a bug where the pages are shifted 1 to the right (so your first page is now page 2).


I have items on page 9 and 10 of my current quickbar. The new quickbar only goes to 8. Will users lose anything on the last 2 or 3 pages of the quickbar when the new design goes live?


I have items on page 1 and page 10 (none in between). I get page 1 through 3. 1 is blank, 2 has page 1, 3 is blank. Page 10 is gone.

I reported this last week but I am not clear what should be posted here and what would be an appropriate bug report given the weeks "theme"

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Checking your geekmail or a subscription might not correctly mark it as read, so there might be a difference between the beta and the live site.


My geekmail in beta isn't working, period. At least, I am not getting any new messages in my beta inbox, and I am getting plenty on BGG.
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I have items on page 1 and page 10 (none in between). I get page 1 through 3. 1 is blank, 2 has page 1, 3 is blank. Page 10 is gone.


Mine is a bit like that - there are links for 11 quickbar pages, but #1 does not work. The others all work, and correspond to the original tabs incremented by 1. i.e. tab #1 is now #2. The extra tab labelled "11" corresponds to my usual #10.

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I reported this last week but I am not clear what should be posted here and what would be an appropriate bug report given the weeks "theme"

I report everything - surely the "theme" is a guideline, a request to go looking in particular areas, rather than a restrictive instruction.
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Checking your geekmail or a subscription might not correctly mark it as read, so there might be a difference between the beta and the live site.


My geekmail in beta isn't working, period. At least, I am not getting any new messages in my beta inbox, and I am getting plenty on BGG.


Addition: if I send a geekmail to myself from the beta, it appears in both my beta AND regular geekmail box. But not the reverse.
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Is it possible to customize items into the smaller blocks (units) like the ones used in the default front page layout? For example on the front page "Hot Images" takes one full block whereas "Announcements" "BGG News" and "Geeklist" show as three smaller blocks.
 
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The laurel image on the ranks is a placeholder.

I rather like it. Why not keep it?


Also, when reporting an issue, what do the categories "GeekNav" and "Pools" stand for?
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I have items on page 1 and page 10 (none in between). I get page 1 through 3. 1 is blank, 2 has page 1, 3 is blank. Page 10 is gone.


Mine is a bit like that - there are links for 11 quickbar pages, but #1 does not work. The others all work, and correspond to the original tabs incremented by 1. i.e. tab #1 is now #2. The extra tab labelled "11" corresponds to my usual #10.



Just to clarify - everything that was on my page 10 is missing
 
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Case wrote:
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I have items on page 1 and page 10 (none in between). I get page 1 through 3. 1 is blank, 2 has page 1, 3 is blank. Page 10 is gone.


Mine is a bit like that - there are links for 11 quickbar pages, but #1 does not work. The others all work, and correspond to the original tabs incremented by 1. i.e. tab #1 is now #2. The extra tab labelled "11" corresponds to my usual #10.



Just to clarify - everything that was on my page 10 is missing


Likewise.
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Am I missing how to add a particular forum to my Home Page? For example, I'd like ""Buying & Selling" or "Hot Deals' to be on my homepage. Thanks.


These are not done yet.
 
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The focus for the week is what we consider to be working, this is what helps us the most when you report on. It is also a way to make it easy for you to participate, just check what the focus is and test that. If you are reporting on other things too, please read through the latest status carefully, and avoid reporting on things that do not exist yet while that part is listed as not working - then it is very probable that we know it needs to be added and reporting it as missing does not help.

Quicklinks need some work still. I added a note to the update post that the links will be converted again from the live site before release of the redesign. So quicklinks on the beta will be destroyed, but all old quicklinks will be kept.

Regarding geekmail, please create reports so that we can work on these issues

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Is it possible to customize items into the smaller blocks (units) like the ones used in the default front page layout? For example on the front page "Hot Images" takes one full block whereas "Announcements" "BGG News" and "Geeklist" show as three smaller blocks.


No, the default is a special block.
 
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Also, when reporting an issue, what do the categories "GeekNav" and "Pools" stand for?


GeekNav is menus. Pools I do not know
 
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Can I ask an embarrassingly dumb question?

What is "GeekItem creation"? I mean, what is a GeekItem?

BGG wiki is disabled, I tried looking there first.
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Also, when reporting an issue, what do the categories "GeekNav" and "Pools" stand for?


GeekNav is menus. Pools I do not know


Is that supposed to be "polls"?
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Is it possible to customize items into the smaller blocks (units) like the ones used in the default front page layout? For example on the front page "Hot Images" takes one full block whereas "Announcements" "BGG News" and "Geeklist" show as three smaller blocks.


No, the default is a special block.


This needs to change!
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Is that supposed to be "polls"?

That's probably it, isn't it?
 
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Celtic Joker wrote:
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Is that supposed to be "polls"?

That's probably it, isn't it?


Yep, changed now. Thanks!
 
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Can I ask an embarrassingly dumb question?

What is "GeekItem creation"? I mean, what is a GeekItem?

BGG wiki is disabled, I tried looking there first.


Oops, sorry. Too little time to edit the text and explain the shorthand

GeekItem is the system that includes games, companies, people (such as designers and artists), weblinks, versions, Properties, Families, categories, podcasts, periodicals, honors (awards like SdJ), video game characters, walkthroughs and more.

In the menu, under Misc/Create, everything there are GeekItems that want to be created
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Adding a game seems to work fine, but the instructions are a little clunky. The item I added is an old Australian game published by a company that was not in the database. I typed in the company name, and the submission was rejected. (It worked fine when I selected "unknown publisher").

My point is that it was not sufficiently clear why the original submission was rejected. Better explanatory text is all that is required.

NB: I am colourblind; if the interface relies on colour, then people like me won't see the cues. It is possible there are colour cues, but they are not helpful for all users.

Colourblindness is worth considering on a more general level too: 8% of the male population is colourblind (~0.4% of women). That's around 1:12 of BGG's users.
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Adding a game seems to work fine, but the instructions are a little clunky. The item I added is an old Australian game published by a company that was not in the database. I typed in the company name, and the submission was rejected. (It worked fine when I selected "unknown publisher").

My point is that it was not sufficiently clear why the original submission was rejected. Better explanatory text is all that is required.

NB: I am colourblind; if the interface relies on colour, then people like me won't see the cues. It is possible there are colour cues, but they are not helpful for all users.

Colourblindness is worth considering on a more general level too: 8% of the male population is colourblind (~0.4% of women). That's around 1:12 of BGG's users.


Thanks for testing! Please submit this as a report so we can work on it, or several reports, if there are things you can identify where we can improve the usability for colorblind persons.
 
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My main complaint: it's prettier but there is less information on the screen. That's a HUGE net lose for me.

A fair number of my Geekbuddies who have tried the new layout and given up on it feel the same way, even if they aren't coming forward to say so.

Old subscriptions page: 15 forum threads, 15 Geeklists, etc.
New subscriptions page: 10 forum threads, 10 Geeklists, etc., once I configured it to show more than one module per page.

Yes, I eventually figured out how to set it back to the old counts... but it just feels bloated. I didn't become a truly regular BGG user until I started using the subscription feature, anything that makes it less useful to new adopters feels unhelpful. And how to I strip that huge navigation block off the bottom of the page? Why is a logged-in user treated to two huge paragraphs describing "What is BoardGameGeek.com"?

My quickbar is hidden, and all the content moved to the second screen. What's the point of a quickbar that you have to click to activate?

Compare http://beta.geekdo.com/browse/boardgame with http://www.boardgamegeek.com/browse/boardgame -- 10 games and a LOT of white space, plus a standardized menu on the sidebar, versus 100 games with more information about each, and my own recently viewed on the sidebar. (What was that game I was looking at 5 minutes ago? Dunno, it's gone now.)

How do I log a play of a game quickly?
Old: Search for game name, click "plays" in the correct entry in the list. Barring that, go to the game's page and scroll down to the section at the bottom.
New: Search for game name, click on game, and then... well, actually, I can't figure it out. Let me say that again. I can't figure out how to do what I consider basic functionality on the new site.

When I click on a game's entry, what do I get? A few pictures, rank, number of players, suggested ages designer, artist, publisher(s), and the capsule description. (It took me a while to figure out how to see what the most recent forum threads across sub-fora are.) There's no listing of mechanics or weight or category. The listing for a game expansion doesn't say what game it expands, but it does show microbadges. Yeah, that's one of the most important aspects of a game. The Wiki entry and the stats about the game are each on separate subtabs, but there's no way to, for example, put all the information together and print it out.

The new game page looks a lot more like a blurb from an advertising flyer than a repository of information.

To be honest, a lot of the new design feels like certain websites that are designed to maximize page loads and ads served per unit of information content.

Now, I know that there is always going to be a lot of static and screaming about any big UI change, and that the same users who complain most loudly about a change are often the same users who complain most loudly about the next change... but please think a bit more about aspects of the redesign that might alienate your core user community.
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I'm one of those geekbuddies.

I tried the beta. Twice. And, basically, ran away in horror.

It's so not-aimed-at-me that I suspect it makes any feedback I might have irrelevant. There were loads of images I didn't want (and was unable to cleanly avoid); very little of the information I did want. Frankly, the experience I have today reading (the current BGG version) on my android phone is superior to the experience of navigating the beta.

It reminded me of the cbsnews mobile site: the one that presents ample logo, nav-bar, and advertising on each page - but only four sentences of content. If I'm to be happy using it, I want to be able to configure the information I want (basically everything except the images, which I'd really prefer to do without) and have a minimum of framing chrome. But the evidence is that the redesign wishes to provide a substantial and unavoidable frame, and minimize the content that appears on each page.

I don't believe my issue is change aversion. I'm familiar with the trope (my employer is wont to throw it out on the occasions they do something silly.) But this is a decrease in usability for me: it's not the same thing.
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My main complaint: it's prettier but there is less information on the screen. That's a HUGE net lose for me.

...but please think a bit more about aspects of the redesign that might alienate your core user community.


The whole point of the redesign is to make the default newbie friendly, with massive customization allowable for the old vets to set things up they way they want. You're looking at the newbie screens with a vet's eyes.

Once it's finished, you'll be able to customize it back to the information density you want.
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My main complaint: it's prettier but there is less information on the screen. That's a HUGE net lose for me.

...but please think a bit more about aspects of the redesign that might alienate your core user community.


The whole point of the redesign is to make the default newbie friendly, with massive customization allowable for the old vets to set things up they way they want. You're looking at the newbie screens with a vet's eyes.

Once it's finished, you'll be able to customize it back to the information density you want.


But the newbie screen I fear doesn't adequately show some of the cool stuff that veterans like us know is out there, and may make it harder for them to happen upon it.
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The biggest fear I have with the new design is that it leverages a new left navigation control that is at times completely redundant and at other times critical to your task. (It is also awkward to use, but I think it is fair to assume that they plan to fix it.)

For example, on the homepage, all the options offered in the left nav bar are also accessible via the dropdowns along the top.

On the Forums page, the options on the left are just duplicating the complete list of forums shown on the right.

When you visit a particular game, however, you must use the left navigation to get to core information about the game like the forums, files, etc..


My proposal, and I've filed bugs on this, is to eliminate the redundant nav bars for the homepage and top-level pages like the forums, and improve how it works for the smaller set of pages that need second-level navigation options.
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Morganza wrote:
My main complaint: it's prettier but there is less information on the screen. That's a HUGE net lose for me.

A fair number of my Geekbuddies who have tried the new layout and given up on it feel the same way, even if they aren't coming forward to say so.

Old subscriptions page: 15 forum threads, 15 Geeklists, etc.
New subscriptions page: 10 forum threads, 10 Geeklists, etc., once I configured it to show more than one module per page.

Yes, I eventually figured out how to set it back to the old counts... but it just feels bloated. I didn't become a truly regular BGG user until I started using the subscription feature, anything that makes it less useful to new adopters feels unhelpful. And how to I strip that huge navigation block off the bottom of the page? Why is a logged-in user treated to two huge paragraphs describing "What is BoardGameGeek.com"?

My quickbar is hidden, and all the content moved to the second screen. What's the point of a quickbar that you have to click to activate?

Compare http://beta.geekdo.com/browse/boardgame with http://www.boardgamegeek.com/browse/boardgame -- 10 games and a LOT of white space, plus a standardized menu on the sidebar, versus 100 games with more information about each, and my own recently viewed on the sidebar. (What was that game I was looking at 5 minutes ago? Dunno, it's gone now.)

How do I log a play of a game quickly?
Old: Search for game name, click "plays" in the correct entry in the list. Barring that, go to the game's page and scroll down to the section at the bottom.
New: Search for game name, click on game, and then... well, actually, I can't figure it out. Let me say that again. I can't figure out how to do what I consider basic functionality on the new site.

When I click on a game's entry, what do I get? A few pictures, rank, number of players, suggested ages designer, artist, publisher(s), and the capsule description. (It took me a while to figure out how to see what the most recent forum threads across sub-fora are.) There's no listing of mechanics or weight or category. The listing for a game expansion doesn't say what game it expands, but it does show microbadges. Yeah, that's one of the most important aspects of a game. The Wiki entry and the stats about the game are each on separate subtabs, but there's no way to, for example, put all the information together and print it out.

The new game page looks a lot more like a blurb from an advertising flyer than a repository of information.

To be honest, a lot of the new design feels like certain websites that are designed to maximize page loads and ads served per unit of information content.

Now, I know that there is always going to be a lot of static and screaming about any big UI change, and that the same users who complain most loudly about a change are often the same users who complain most loudly about the next change... but please think a bit more about aspects of the redesign that might alienate your core user community.


I agree with all of the above we went from ''every bit of information in your face'' design to ''everything hidden behind a fancy (and sometimes annoying) button''
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Morganza's post pretty-much nails it for me too: I find myself tolerating the beta site for a while, feeling dutiful about testing it... then get so annoyed by constant scrolling that I bail and go back to the live version for recreation.
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We appreciate the testing... if you hadn't seen it - the goal of the site is to make it easy to use for new people stopping by, but preserving the advanced features for long time users - if we don't fulfill this goal, then we will keep working on it until we do.
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I get so annoyed by constant scrolling that I bail and go back to the live version for recreation.
Interesting that you put it this way. In my experience, on the live site at least I can scroll down to more information; on the beta I have to click (sometimes multiple times) to get to the next bit of info I want. I find that much more annoying than scrolling.


But to be fair, I like the new customization options, and in general I feel that this
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is the right way to go.

So let's keep testing the heck out of the beta to help make it the best site it can be.

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Also, when reporting an issue, what does the category "GeekNav" stand for?

GeekNav is menus.

So what's the difference between the reporting categories "GeekNav" and "Menu"?
 
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We appreciate the testing... if you hadn't seen it - the goal of the site is to make it easy to use for new people stopping by, but preserving the advanced features for long time users - if we don't fulfill this goal, then we will keep working on it until we do.


OK, here's a simple tangible suggestion:

On the default newbie view of a game, drop the microbadges, add in the "expands" and "expanded by", "weight", and "mechanics" fields (as the simplest way of describing how you actually play the game, something that the publisher's advertising blurb is often notably short of), and have big prominent buttons for "more information" and "more images".

More information. (Imagine an image of a kitten with hat in hand, begging for Moar Infromation Pleez.)

And please... consider that in this modern age part of your core audience is the confused near-newbie in a game store looking up a game's BGG entry on their mobile device because the clerk knew nothing about a game but the theme. Give them something more than the text that's already on the box.

Oh! For each game, have a new user-generated field, "best description under 100 characters". Show the two of those with the most thumbs on the game's basic info page. New, shiny, terse, helpful, user-generated content. (Maybe scrub them through geekmod first ;-) ) If you want to be helpful to newbies, feed them clues. Award copper/silver/gold/platinum microbadges for how many top blurbs a user has written ;-)
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the goal of the site is to make it easy to use for new people stopping by, but preserving the advanced features for long time users - if we don't fulfill this goal, then we will keep working on it until we do.


I think it is great that you are working toward a concise goal, and that goal perfectly sums up the biggest weakness of the current design.

Thanks for all your hard work guys! I'll keep doing what I can to test the beta site and file bugs. I look forward to the launch of the new site - when it's ready.

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Please create reports for improvements so that they can be acted on within the redesign. More general, and bigger, suggestions are best handled in the suggestions forum where already there are many great ideas.

Please also note that the played games functionality does not exist yet, which is the reason it is so very hard to find... It is listed as not working and not being there at all is one of the reasons a system can be listed as such So, keep in mind this is a work in progress and read the status and update notes to know what is going on.
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More general, and bigger, suggestions are best handled in the suggestions forum where already there are many great ideas.


Which "suggestions" forum is preferred to discuss design ideas for the beta?

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More general, and bigger, suggestions are best handled in the suggestions forum where already there are many great ideas.


Which "suggestions" forum is preferred to discuss design ideas for the beta?

thanks,
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For the developers to be able to read and act on design issues with the beta it is best to create reports for them.
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More general, and bigger, suggestions are best handled in the suggestions forum where already there are many great ideas.


I looked around for a place to put general comments about the redesign and didn't find one, which is why I came here. A link to the place to put general feedback in the beta invitation would have been useful...
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I think they prefer us to submit reports rather than to publicly discuss. And while I see the value of that, I also think it is important to have the discussion.
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I think they prefer us to submit reports rather than to publicly discuss. And while I see the value of that, I also think it is important to have the discussion.


I agree. I've learned from reading comments above. And we all share the same goal of making the "new" BGG when it launches at least as good if not even better than current BGG.

And to make it newbie friendly since that's where growth comes from.
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I think they prefer us to submit reports rather than to publicly discuss. And while I see the value of that, I also think it is important to have the discussion.


Yes, we want reports that we can act on, that is what will help the redesign the most. It is extremely hard for a very small dev team to keep up with a big general discussion and also extremely hard for any but the most hard-core beta test participants to keep up with it. We want input from as many different BGG:ers as possible, and making the minimum time needed to help low is a goal in itself.

Another problem is that a general discussion will probably generate most comments regarding the parts that we know about and do not need input on.

Please discuss in any suitable forum for that issue, getting as many participants as possible in the beta is very important. Right now the beta application is closed so that we can focus for a while (as it takes some time to get new participants running), but we will reopen it again and hope many more will want to help with testing then.
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Yes, we want reports that we can act on, that is what will help the redesign the most. It is extremely hard for a very small dev team to keep up... Please discuss in any suitable forum for that issue, getting as many participants as possible in the beta is very important.

This is quite reasonable - I think all of us intuitively understand that "obvious" issues will be obvious to the dev team too! Part of the discussion here, however, is the beta-testers having a watercooler conversation. And that's important: it helps keep us on track, at the very least.
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Yes, we want reports that we can act on, that is what will help the redesign the most. It is extremely hard for a very small dev team to keep up... Please discuss in any suitable forum for that issue, getting as many participants as possible in the beta is very important.

This is quite reasonable - I think all of us intuitively understand that "obvious" issues will be obvious to the dev team too! Part of the discussion here, however, is the beta-testers having a watercooler conversation. And that's important: it helps keep us on track, at the very least.


Yep. It is difficult to say exactly what should be handled where, we want to encourage both efficiency and discussion. This is the suitable forum for some things, direct message/email to me for technical things, reporting for specifics that can help the development, suggestions forum for bigger things or things that cannot be done before the redesign is released (which is most things that are not already planned), various other places for discussions affecting a group of users or those interested in a specific part of the site.

Creating a special forum for beta discussions might move all discussions there so that we lose both efficiency and discussion with non-beta users.
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I sympathize with the difficulties of coordinating the change and all the headaches that must cause. I'm hoping that this discussion might be a chance for you to address some of the concerns that have been raised here. For example, I've seen a number of comments about the width/whitespace issue but nothing directly commenting on that from the developer team. Have you decided if that will be adjusted? Is it under consideration?
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I sympathize with the difficulties of coordinating the change and all the headaches that must cause. I'm hoping that this discussion might be a chance for you to address some of the concerns that have been raised here. For example, I've seen a number of comments about the width/whitespace issue but nothing directly commenting on that from the developer team. Have you decided if that will be adjusted? Is it under consideration?


We are not ready with a change on this, but we will make it better.
 
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