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MMP P500 February 2012 Welcome, Goodbye and Thank you
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Back to business.

Winter offensive helped some games garner a lot of new preorders, but it did not help others

This month we have some news (as posted by MMP in CSW)

We might also have some unexpected new visitors to this geeklist and we hope you give them a warm welcome and that they provide more insightful news.

And it is my last geeklist. As this is not MMP related I will explain my reasons in the last item.

Releases

ASL AP8 and WED are still being sent off.

New games up

No new games.

General news

Finishing retail shippings for WED and AP#8, still shipping WO Bonus Pack (thank you everyone who has bought! $7 from each sale goes to the WWII Foundation!).

Lost our collation help, so Festung Budapest collation will slowly begin early next week.

KOH/Angola card proofs still not in, will get tomorrow according to the printer (who said we'd get them today. )

No Question of Surrender - 1 countersheet done, 2 countersheets in production, box in production, remaining paper bits off to printer Friday or Monday - so we're under a month on this one.

Special Ops #2 goes into production on Monday/Tuesday. Map proof approved. Counters in production with balance of NQoS. Magazine 2 weeks or so once into production.

Next up for ASL will be the next Journal - i'll get Chas to post an update on that.

Following the above, in no order at the moment, War of the Suns, Kawaguchi's Gamble, It Never Snows, The Blitzkrieg Legend, Stonewall Jackson's Way II.


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26. Board Game: What Price Glory? [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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One line definition First World War CDG on the Western Front by the joint minds of Tetsuda Nakamura and Adam Starkweather.

Months on the list: 29 (October 09)

Numbers: 399/580 +13 Last two months +7/+5

Percentage to publication: 68.79%

The Buzz:

The Company Line:
The heart of this game is a new way to use cards to drive the system. Players choose which cards they will use in the upcoming turn from a 16 card deck and plan out how the 6 month turn will play out. Some cards are defensive in nature (the very nasty Machine Guns card for example) and some are offensive in nature (allowing for multiple activations, recovery, railroading and reinforcements). Also in the cards a player can play are major events that change the shape of the war (submarine warfare, air power, neutral entry, Jutland etc.). You will never have enough cards to do what you want to do and your opponent will constantly be ruining your plans by trying to execute his own plans. The player that is best able to juggle their resources will find the path to victory the easiest. The cards also link together and allow for many cards to be played in unison in a unique way to allow for an infinite variance in how to use your resources most effectively.

Although the unique and complex way the player’s card hands interact is the heart of the game, the game also covers in a more simple way all of the major events that occurred in the Great War. Jutland, the 1918 race between US entry and German reinforcement from the East and much more are covered in a highly simple but effective manner allowing the Great War to be experienced in a comprehensive manner and yet the system takes minutes to learn and only 4 hours to play. The sophistication of the card play allows for great replayability.

Game Details:
- Solitaire Rating: Fair
- Complexity: Easy
- Playing Time: 3-5 hours
- Scenarios: 1
- Game scale: Units are corps, turns are biannual.

Retail Price: $50.00
Pre-Order Price: $37.50
MMP website: http://www.multimanpublishing.com/tabid/59/ProductID/94/Defa...

Designer: Tetsuya Nakamura and Adam Starkweather
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Artwork: Nicolas Eskubi

Components:
- 34” by 22” map
- 264 5/8” counters
- 55 Playing cards
- 8 page full color rulebook
- Two player aids

My unnecessary comments

The names of the designer are clearly a winner, but it certainly needs more exposure to garner more preorders. Specially when you hear WWI and west front on the same phrase!

It seems to be the next one on the death list. Just over 65% in more than 2 years does certainly not look good.

Really good numbers for this one that is receiving some positive shilling.
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Don't miss this item from Adam's recent IGS report, which had some eye candy and pulled back the curtain a bit for this title.
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Thanks for giving this interesting sounding game some exposure. I just placed a pre-order for it.
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27. Board Game: Rumors - An Adult Conversation Game [Average Rating:3.33 Unranked]
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Rumors

- Journal 10. No news on this item, but more ASL goodies.Evidently not a rumor, but this one does not normally go on preorder.Good news, it is the next ASL project.

- The Doomsday Project. WWIII Germany.

- La Belle Alliance.

- OCS Reluctant Enemies. 1 mapper on the battles between the french and the english in´WWII middle east. Already the prototype on my table! The heavy flak has stopped me dead on my playtesting.

- OCS Beyond the Rhine. Same place as TBL but different timeframe. This time is the Germans running backwards.Rumor has it that the campaign game is well along, but the scenarios are not yet ready.

- OCS Italy. Too far away, but still in the works. Rumors speak of a 3.5 mile per hex map, for a three mapper.

- OCS Crimea. After some time without news some CSW post said that this game was still in the works as a one mapper "introductory" game to the system.

- Pacific War Reprint. Mark Herman has said that he is working on it so...

- Ukraine '44. On Special Ops 2 Counters and map available in CSW. .Will be issued at Winter Offensive.It did not make WO but we can count on it soon.

- Victory...Deferred? After AVL and AVD, the milking of the system is just natural.

- The Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire. ????

- Solomon Sea. ???

- Historical ASLSK. You can read the blogs in MMP webpage talking about this campaign game that will make ASLSK jump another level!The pictures of the map look beautiful and we will finally get Off Board Artillery for the SK

- ASL Korea.

- ASL Sealion. Counterfactual ASL module. You want to kick a hornest nest? Go to CSW and celebrate this module!

- OCS Smolensk

- Monty's Gamble: Market Garden.


Thanks for taking the time in reading!
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Antonio,
Thank you sir for all that you have done, I have ordered and pre-ordered games because of you. I feel that you have never led me astray on any of those games.
I will be sorry to see you go, as I enjoyed your lists, the information, and your unwavering support for the games you felt needed to see the light of day. You have always been a gentleman, even supporting games that are not your cup of tea.
I am not going to ask you to reverse your decision, as I too have been in similar situations and found that after long and careful thought I should have stuck to my guns. I have regretted every time I went back on such a hard decision and continued in an uncomfortable environment. Gaming is supposed to be a fun lifestyle, not a disruptive one.
Again, Thank You.
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Will the Asl SK Historical module on Elst be a standalone game or will it require any of the other SK's?
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  • Posted Thu Feb 2, 2012 12:22 pm
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ad79 wrote:
Will the Asl SK Historical module on Elst be a standalone game or will it require any of the other SK's?


Standalone, like all SK products (I think)
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Latest news. HASLSK Elst: MMP is hoping for a 2012 release but could be a 2013. Sorry ASLSK fans (like me).

Ops 2 should be out soon (yes, I have been saying that for quite sometime now, sorry)
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Special Ops 2 is now available with Ukraine'44 as the game.
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28. Board Game: Goodbye.... [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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After 6 years of being a member of this community I am leaving.

It is with truly great sadness that I take this step, but I think it is the right thing to do.

But I want to share with most of friends here the reasons why I have decided to quit BGG.

A few days ago, I was called upon a thread by some other Spaniards ( http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/8362224#8362224). In said thread I saw in awe that someone had called Spanish and Italians "sub-species" and creatures "that crawl on their bellies".

I did was I consider reasonable using the tools available. But also I politely requested one of the Admins to delete the comments (or even inclusive the whole thread). I informed him that under Spanish (and probably Italians and the US) laws said racist comments could be construed as a criminal offence, and that I considered that it is reasonable to delete racist comments.

The answer I received form BGG admins was that their "policy is to not delete any content with some rare exceptions" and that, the fact that many people had tagged it kept it below the radar (in fact everytime I see something that disappears because being flagged I tend to look out of curiosity).

I contested such answer, and the reply I received was on the same line.

Please note that I am not asking for any "punishment" to the person who made the comments, nor I am asking for a "crusade" against racism. All I wanted, all I consider fair, was the deletion of two posts and posibly the posts that copied said comments. But for some reason BGG wants to keep it up.

I am not going to discuss the decision, nor am I on a "crusade", but I cannot help thinking that BGG has made a really bad decision and that the reasons are not "freedom of speech". I would like to throw out an example... if tonight I go back to my house and find on the wall "XXXX(insert nationality or minority) are rats" I would not say simply that it is wrong, I would paint the wall anew, to avoid people thinking that I subscribe said comments... and F off with freedom of speech!

This is how I feel here.

That leads me to only three viable possibilities.

- I had misunderstood the statement and it was a light joke (which I really doubt).

- Racism is tolerated in BGG. That means that if I, or someone else, post comments against afro-americans, japanese, or texans (for example), said comments would remain even if flagged.

- Or... there is a level of racism that BGG tolerates and other that it doesn't. I consider this solution a kind of racism in itself. So attacks against Europeans are allowed but not against americans? Or is it just non-native English speakers? Or only those comments that the admins in their infinite wisdom consider offensive and not those that the attacked individuals consider offensive?

I don't know which one of the three is the real one, although I can bet is not the first one, and I have a strong suspicion that the second one would not be tolerated neither.

With this situation, and after consulting with my fiancee (who was at first outraged of me leaving BGG as she knows how much I love it and how much time I have spent here) I have decided that I am leaving this site.

Funny that I think I am not the first person that voluntarily leaves this site due to their level of tolerance with racism.

But... I had a duty with you guys and with this geeklist (specially now that I think we will have some guests!) so I have decided that I will do this geeklist and maintain it for the whole month and thus end my participation here.

It has been a very fun (and expensive) time with you guys. Thanks for listening.

Antonio.
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Antonio.

I know that you do not wish to discuss your decision, but allow me to make a few statements.

Firstly, thank you very much for putting together and maintaining not just this list, but the lists from the past months. Also, should you stick to your decision and leave BGG, thank you for being part of the community. You will be sorely missed. Please consider joining CSW Social so that we can remain in touch.

I am not familiar with the thread that led you to this situation. If I were a betting man, I would suspect that the reason the offensive post remains on BGG is truly due to freedom of speech. I have found that most anything goes on the internet and in the United States in general. While I agree with you that the post is offensive and also that it should be deleted, I suspect the motive is not sinister, but rather one of conscious and/or policy.

That being said, I feel that to remain mute while racist comments are made is to silently acquiesce to those statements. I applaud your stand.

I ask that you reconsider your decision. If a voice of reason is driven from the site, then in some way the haters win. Stay and fight I say! Regardless, I understand your position fully. Is there anything the rest of us can do to protest this entire affair? Is there an admin that handles such things that we need to direct our outrage at?

I am beginning to tire of some of the admin decisions made here on BGG myself. Perhaps it is high time that like minded individuals protest by not participating on BGG for a period of time? A simple gesture, but sometimes those strike home. And who knows...maybe we will find another site to amuse ourselves with?

All the best Antonio. Shoot me a geekmail with your e-mail please! I would hate to lose touch with you.
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But the vast majority are respectful both of his contributions and his wishes, I would say....
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Now imagine an expansion made up of spear chucking magic users beating on drums.
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I think I should make some comments about the user "fireflyhex"...

No game in his collection.

His scores: just "10"s and "1"s. Nothing in between. What can I say?

1 for Combat Commander, ASL, Paths of Glory, Go, War of the Ring, Dominion: Intrigue... the list goes on.

At the same time 10 for Dominion, Dominant Species, Justin Bieber Backstage Pass Game...

He can only think in two terms - love or hate. For Antonio, for this list = hate.

He is not a serious user. Just a stupid brat.

Anyway... the saddest thing is that a lot of people arguing here about Antonio don't have the slightest interest in MMP, will never preorder a game from them, some don't even know what P500 means, so what the...?

[EDIT: Sorry about the offenses. firefkyhex is the most wonderful user ever in the whole BGG. He is just an AMAZING person.]

[EDIT 2: Sorry about the irony. One admin didn't like my comments and word is getting around about banning me... but you were right - it's easy being a bully. You just say you're sorry... you offend people in forums you have nothing to do with... and suddenly the victim becomes the guilty... amazing!]
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vazquezramos wrote:
kcs_hiker wrote:

and that's called blaming the victim

which is always the bullies first defense... "I was just kidding" "Sheesh get a sense of humor" etc


You are completely right. For some Antonio is the one to blame, can you believe that? He did this list for months for a couple of wargamers and suddenly, out of nowhere, everybody is interested, some say he MUST continue doing it (as if he has a duty)... it's a joke...


I think I've read every post here, I don't recall anyone demanding that he stay or continue the list. Almost everyone has responded to him with an attempt to be supportive, dozens or more people are flying the Spanish flag in his honor... where are the post "demanding" that he continue?




vazquezramos wrote:
I think I should make some comments about the user "fireflyhex"...


Why should you do that?

vazquezramos wrote:
No game in his collection.

His scores: just "10"s and "1"s. Nothing in between. What can I say?

1 for Combat Commander, ASL, Paths of Glory, Go, War of the Ring, Dominion: Intrigue... the list goes on.

At the same time 10 for Dominion, Dominant Species, Justin Bieber Backstage Pass Game...

He can only think in two terms - love or hate. For Antonio, for this list = hate.

He is not a serious user. Just a stupid brat.

Anyway... the saddest thing is that a lot of people arguing here about Antonio don't have the slightest interest in MMP, will never preorder a game from them, some don't even know what P500 means, so what the...?



Antonio originally started this thread because he was angry that someone posted insulting, crude and baseless comments, apparently with no intent other than to cause offense. How does you responding to someone that disagrees with him by doing the same help further his cause, in any way?
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I would also like to ask you to reconsider leaving BGG. It is people like you who make BGG such a great community. Please change your mind and stay.
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You have my sympathy as well!
I completely understand.
I wish that you reconsider though.

I guess that with all things said about GREEKS these days.....we must consider leaving PLANET EARTH!
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Antonio, I am sorry that a few select members of this community said some really ignorant things to you, but now that the mods have deleted the thread, I think you should amend your original post where you basically insinuated that the admins here allow racism against Europeans.
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There's no such thing as absolute "Freedom of Speech", of course, but you're right, it's a government mater and has nothing to do with what private companies choose to do with their media policies.

For those who say that they are against all censorship, does that include things like kiddie porn, or private information like publishing someone's social security number? You actually need to think about the statements you make sometimes.

So, you're pretty much right in your understanding Rick.
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pauclaris wrote:
All of this excitement about national discrimination is funny coming from this BGG user, as he's been usually disrespectful with people that think different....


An account created in the middle of this discourse with a single contribution, consisting of deep-diving into this site's archives?

Just a little suspicious? Someone using a dummy account after being banned, or just someone not adult enough to stand behind their own words?
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