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STAR WARS: Nerdy facts you may not know about the Universe
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Several years ago, as a much younger incarnation of me, I helped to create the Internet's first major Star Wars roleplaying club - SWC (which, so far as I know, is still in existence in one form or another on the web.) I guess you could say that, even earlier than that, I've been something of a Star Wars geek, but it was that early period on the Prodigy bulletin boards that first ensconced me in hardcore Star Wars trivia and meaningless information.

Since Star Wars is back in vogue again, what with the re-release of "Episode One" (and the rest of the films) in 3D, the impending release of a new television series based upon the exploits of Boba Fett, and the on-again, off-again saga of whether we'll ever see Episodes 7-9, I thought it might be fun to take a look back and share some interesting, but UTTERLY USELESS information I've collected over the years.

I started my collection in sort of a unique way. We were having a hard time determining what was "canon" and what was not "canon" when forming the Star Wars club. So I err... wrote to Lucasfilm, and asked them what we should consider canon.I actually got an answer, and I sort of went from there.

Interestingly, canon for Star Wars has radically changed since the late 1980s - to the point that many of the answers they gave me then have subsequently been superseded. Nevertheless, it's still a Universe that I love and admire - even if I want to erase every memory of "Attack of the Clones" from my brain

Hope you find some of this stuff nerd-tastic. If you've got other stuff, or maybe a newer interpretation of the canon, I'd love to see it!

Incidentally, I've tried to list these in very rough "Chronological" order (ie: from the events of the Prequels through to the end of "Return of the Jedi" and the books that followed.)

May the Force Be With You,

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Can you identify the characters and ships that appear in both the Prequels and the Original Trilogy? Here are just a few...

People:

- Anakin Skywalker, of course, appears in all the films, if one counts the "Darth Vader" appearances.

- Boba Fett appears in Episodes II, III, IV, V, and VI. He originally did not appear in Episode IV, but was added to the "Special Edition" of the film in the late 1990s. Fett's first appearance was actually in 1979, as part of the "Star Wars Holiday Festival" (which is best forgotten by everyone.)

- C3PO and R2D2 appear in all of the Star Wars films. The "Gonk" Droid supposedly appears in some of the Prequels, but I haven't spotted him yet.

- Chewbacca appears in Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, as well as all three of the Original Triology films (Episodes IV-VI)

- Emperor Palpatine appears in Episodes I, II, III, V, and VI. He was first shown in Episode V, using the face of a woman and the mouth of a monkey, in a wonkey hologram type animation. This version has since been edited out (but I still own it, lucky me.) There was still a great deal of debate prior to Episode VI about what he should look like.

- Jabba the Hutt appears in Episodes I and II. He is also in Episode IV and Episode VI. Like Boba Fett, he was added to Episode IV as part of the "Special Editions." However, the difference is that parts were originally filmed for him. (See the entry on Jabba later on for some interesting tidbits on this.)

- Yoda appears in Episodes I, II, III, V, and VI.


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- Plans for an early form of the Death Star are seen in holographic form in Episode III. The Death Star itself appears in Episode IV. The Second Death Star appears in Episode VI.

- Y-Wing Stargfighters, first seen in Episode IV, are also depicted in Episode III: Revenge of the Sith.

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He was first shown in Episode VI, using the face of a woman and the mouth of a monkey, in a wonkey hologram type animation.

Episode V
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Baron von Doom wrote:

No, the Rodian in the pits was Anakin's friend, Wald. In a deleted scene Anakin can be seen engaged in a fist fight with Greedo after the pod race. (Greedo accused him of cheating.)


DRAT! Well, you know what the Empire says about Rodians... They all look alike.

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Baron von Doom wrote:

Actually, Tarkin was not digital in Episode III, rather, he was portrayed by Wayne Pygram.


They digitally superimposed the face, though, right? Because it practically looked like they took his cartoon face from Clone Wars and slapped it in... Recognizable, but horribly integrated (need to go back and watch the Blu-Ray again and see if they tidied it up any...

...Paul

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CryoMax wrote:
Baron von Doom wrote:

Actually, Tarkin was not digital in Episode III, rather, he was portrayed by Wayne Pygram.


They digitally superimposed the face, though, right? Because it practically looked like they took his cartoon face from Clone Wars and slapped it in... Recognizable, but horribly integrated (need to go back and watch the Blu-Ray again and see if they tidied it up any...

...Paul



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It was chimp eyes superimposed for the emperors - no monkey mouth.


Every time I saw that hologram of the Emperor in Episode V, I thought it was Alec Guiness in a black cloak. That always made me think more about the Clone Wars, 'way back when.
 
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YODA'S species and homeworld have never been revealed.

This is one of the tightest secrets held by Lucasfilm. While George Lucas has confirmed that Yoda does have a species and a homeworld (he isn't some strange sort of aberration - confirmed by the appearance of another member of his species in Episodes One and Two), he has thus far said that he prefers to keep the information under wraps for now. The only thing that the fan community knows for certain is that Yoda is NOT human, and that his home world is most definitely NOT Dagobah.

Lucasfilm frequently refused permission to West End Games when it proposed printing adventures involving Yoda's species and/or homeworld for the original Star Wars RPG, and has done so with other properties. Most recently, Star Wars: The Old Republic, was asked to remove Dagobah from the game, along with several adventures tied to Yoda's identity.

In all official publications, Yoda's planet is simply identified as "Yoda's Homeworld."

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And his similarly mysterious sexy cousin "Yaddle."
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And if you believe George Lucas that he's known all along what species Yoda is and his home planet, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

As much as I hold Star Wars in dear regard, I firmly believe Lucas has become a pathological liar about his creation.


You and me both. But it's a nice fiction that suits the list.



Of course. Proceed...


Everyone knows Yoda is from the "Moon of Vega" along with his twin brother Yogurt!!!!
We all know too that Yoda got the Force & Yogurt the Schwartz!!!
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Lucas is probably planning on releasing some kind of Yoda movie or trilogy.


I think he just knows (invented, actually) nothing more than any of us and just wants to keep an aura of mystery around that character.
The utter fail at explaining the "Force" with midichlorians must have taught him to be more cautious about ... well ... explaining stuff

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In one of the "official" Timothy Zahn sequels that were published before Episode I was released ("Heir to the Empire", etc, I forget which one), Luke theorizes that Yoda was a unique "species" all his own -- originally human, he shape-changed in order to hide from the Emperor's assassins after the Clone Wars.

I thought this was a really cool concept, but Lucas apparently did not share my enthusiasm.



Only shape changing story i liked was consider phleabas.
 
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Yogurt the Schwartz!!!

Yeah, he got the "Schwartz end of the stick" Ba Dum!
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Originally, all surviving Clone Troopers became Storm Troopers. But, not all Storm Troopers were, in fact, Clones.

According to the most recent Expanded Universe Canon, Palpatine moved to shut down the Cloning operations on Kamino when it became apparent that the Clones were low on individual initiative, and so willing to obey orders without question that they could constitute a liability to his "New Order." Furthermore, there was a legitimate reason: clones were expensive to produce, and to train, much more expensive than creating a force based upon volunteers and conscription. Attempts to rectify this situation involved the creation of "Spaarti" cloning technology, which rapidly produced clones, but resulted in clones who began to break down mentally and psychologically over time, making them dangerous to themselves, and others.

As such, cloning was outlawed and the facilities destroyed, with the exception of a handful of examples, which were stored in secret archive facilities.

In one example from more recent novels, a clone member of the 501st bitterly complains about the "new guys" (volunteers and conscripts) who aren't "like the recruits we had in the old days."

Officially, Lucasfilm has said that by the time of Episode IV, only about one third of the Stormtroopers were clones.
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"These blast points... too accurate for Sand People."


You know, Tim, you bring up a very interesting moment in the film, which my buddies and I were discussing last week.

What precisely did the Stormtroopers use to take down that Sandcrawler? And what on earth were the locals supposed to believe the Sand People had used? I mean, the heaviest weapon you see on Tatooine is the repeating blaster when Han is blasting his way out of the Docking Bay in Mos Eisley. And Sandcrawlers are BIG.... the most we've seen Sandpeople carry is what, a Jezzail?


On that note, what are they using against the Jawas and the Lars family? The Jawas basically become nothing but flat robes, and the Lars family... they turn into beef jerky. But yet, in every other scene when someone dies on the ground, he merely falls back dead. What kind of freaky weapon are those Sand Troopers using that can vaporize a Jawa and leave his clothes on, or vaporize the clothes of the Lars and Hickory Smoke them?

Just sayin'....


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Sol Invictus wrote:
soulyogurt wrote:
"These blast points... too accurate for Sand People."


You know, Tim, you bring up a very interesting moment in the film, which my buddies and I were discussing last week.

What precisely did the Stormtroopers use to take down that Sandcrawler? And what on earth were the locals supposed to believe the Sand People had used? I mean, the heaviest weapon you see on Tatooine is the repeating blaster when Han is blasting his way out of the Docking Bay in Mos Eisley. And Sandcrawlers are BIG.... the most we've seen Sandpeople carry is what, a Jezzail?


On that note, what are they using against the Jawas and the Lars family? The Jawas basically become nothing but flat robes, and the Lars family... they turn into beef jerky. But yet, in every other scene when someone dies on the ground, he merely falls back dead. What kind of freaky weapon are those Sand Troopers using that can vaporize a Jawa and leave his clothes on, or vaporize the clothes of the Lars and Hickory Smoke them?

Just sayin'....




It's a psychological weapon. They project a holoclip of Jar Jar Binks to induce cellular suicide in a pyro display that puts Great White concerts to shame.
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I had been said that the rebels had bombed the Kamino facilities to stop the clones production. Maybe my friend was wrong after all soblue
 
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West End Games produced a great Star Wars RPG (based on only d6) way back in the day. In some of those sourcebooks, there are "advertisements" for joining the Empire as a Stormtrooper. Great stuff!!


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According to Lucasfilm, not all Clones obeyed "Order 66," Palpatine's orders to exterminate the Jedi. We know that most of the clones seen on screen in the films did so, but at least one group, the Republic Commandoes, and several individual Clones, refused their orders. Although a -very- small number who refused their orders apparently survived into the era of the Rebellion, most were likely exterminated.

The most interesting case is Captain Rex, featured prominently in the "Clone Wars" animated series. The creators have said that they have already decided upon his fate viz a viz. Order 66, but they have refused to say whether he will be one of the vast majority, or one of the very few to refuse his orders.
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The Book "Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader" has an example of that as well.
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The Book "Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader" has an example of that as well.


Do you remember who the dissenters were, Paul? I'd be interested. There has been some discussion about this with the Rebel Legion/501st to determine -which- Clone Troopers actually disobeyed the order.
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It seems unlikely, but I wonder if "Order 66" is in any way based on "Call 99", the legendary Rugby Union call on the British Lions 1974 tour of South Africa. On this call, every member of the Lions team was to find the nearest member of the opposition and hit him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_call
Is George Lucas a rugby fan, or is it just loose coincidence?
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It seems unlikely, but I wonder if "Order 66" is in any way based on "Call 99", the legendary Rugby Union call on the British Lions 1974 tour of South Africa. On this call, every member of the Lions team was to find the nearest member of the opposition and hit him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_call
Is George Lucas a rugby fan, or is it just loose coincidence?


I think that perhaps both are based on the 'Pastoralis Praeeminentiae': the papal bull that ordered to simultaneous arrest of the knights Templar in 13 something or other. Maybe. Just an idea.
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Native, slug-like beings, the Hutts destroyed their original homeworld with environmental wastefulness and a global war that involved the use of hydrogen bombs and orbital bombardments... They later settled their "adopted" home world of Nal Hutta and its adjacent world of Nar Shadda, and had already been established there for many thousands of years when the period covered by the films begins. The Hutt Cartel is a sovereign, neutral entity throughout the films, though representatives (such as the infamous Jabba) play a role in the less legitimate businesses of the known galaxy on a regular basis. While most such Hutts are genuine scum, there have been exceptions. Acording to the lore of "Knights of the old Republic," one of the Old Republic's most beloved Chancellors was a Hutt known for his incorruptible, amiable nature.


Hutts are born hermaphrodites, but choose their sex upon reaching maturity, then maintain that identity for the rest of their lives. How and why this occurs is a mystery to outsiders. The Hutts are naturally Force resistant, and while aware of the Force, cannot be trained as Jedi. They are among the longest lived creatures in the galaxies, and can live for centuries.

Jabba the Hutt, the infamous Gangster, is said to have begun his career as a daring mercenary, who eventually surrendered to sloth and avarice as he grew older. This is apparently a common behavior among Hutts.

His earliest appearance in the Original Trilogy was to have been in Episode IV: A New Hope, at which time a human actor was cast to play him. However, the parts were cut, with varying reasons given for the omission. For years, the fan community was told that these scenes had been lost on the cutting room floor, but when the Special Edition films were released, the scene was (controversially) added again, with "slug" Jabba added to replace the human actor.

Incidentally, many Star Wars fans may be familiar with Jek Porkins, the somewhat... robust... X-Wing pilot who dies in the Death Star Trench Run. He's a fan favorite, played by character actor William Hootkins. Hootkins was a genuinely decent person, and was always quite fond of his fans. He had a great sense of humor about the character, and was always willing to sign an autograph or answer questions. Sadly, he passed away relatively recently, and is greatly missed by those who had the honor to meet him.

Why bring up Porkins? Because Hootkins told a crowd full of fans that he had originally been involved in the films as an aspiring "Jabba" when the part was still intended for humans. Hootkins didn't get the role, but George Lucas was so impressed with him that he offered him a part as the important but... unfortunate... Porkins. The rest is history.As Hootkins sometimes said, "Porkins was proof that big guys can be heroes too."




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Han also had an "apartment" he kept on Nar Shaddaa, when he needed to bring chicks back to the pad.

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The Hutts are naturally Force resistant, and while aware of the Force, cannot be trained as Jedi.

There was a Hutt "Jedi" in the forgettable book "Planet of Twilight" (which has zero sparkly vampires, if I recall).
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The Greedo edit was deplorable.


I'd rather say pathetic, or ridiculous. I strongly believe that all of us have seen some "hero" killing cold-blooded a bad guy that was threatening him. It didn"t make the hero appear much worse and it was a mistake to treat us like kids with the addition of a 3-cent-special-FX shake
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hskrfn822 wrote:
The Greedo edit was deplorable.


Now that the Star Wars movies are being re-released in 3-D. I'm guessing that this will also be yet another opportunity for George Lucas to screw with them even more. At this point, I can only assume that this time Han won't shoot at all, and Greedo will keel over from a case of mild indigestion instead.
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The actor who played Jabba in the scene cut from Episode IV was an Irish chap called Declan Mulholland, who - aside from his accent - strongly resembled Northern English comedian Johnny Vegas (he of the ITV/PG Tips "Monkeh"). The year after he nearly appeared in Star Wars, he acted alongside Tom Baker's Doctor in The Androids of Tara, placing him on the highly exclusive list of actors who have appeared in both Star Wars and Who.
 
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Han Solo was initially a promising young graduate of the Imperial Naval Academy. On his first cruise as an officer, Solo was placed in charge of an operation that ran into a sanctioned slaving operation. Solo, who believed that the Imperial Navy should never sanction slaving, risked his life to forcibly rescue one of the captives: a Wookiee named Chewbacca. Solo was dishonorably discharged, a punishment considered relatively mild given the extent of his offenses, which included theft of Imperial property and disobeying direct orders.

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Ha! I knew that one!
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I'm actually reading the Han Solo Trilogy, and in the beginning of the 2nd book, they talk about this. Very cool.
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clawlan wrote:
I'm actually reading the Han Solo Trilogy, and in the beginning of the 2nd book, they talk about this. Very cool.


I always thought that bit was cool. In interview several years ago, Harry Ford said his youngest kids had read those books, and he'd thought that bit of the story was also very intriguing. He was quoted as saying he wished he'd known that bit when the filming was done, as it would have given the character more personality, in his view.

(But I've always thought he played the character superbly, regardless.)

Timothy Zahn muddled the waters somewhat with the Thrawn Trilogy, since the original story was that Han was actually a commissioned officer who'd finished his training, and Zahn claims he was a expelled from the academy.
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No, the reason Han Solo was given that background was because of how Ford played the role. It just lent itself to that back story.
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I'm actually reading the Han Solo Trilogy, and in the beginning of the 2nd book, they talk about this. Very cool.


Grrreat books! I gave those to my nephew a few years ago, and reading all this makes me want them back!
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I prefer any story that said he was a crap smuggler flying
a decrepit rust bucket.
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According to the only official figure ever given, published by West End Games, approximately 53,000 Star Destroyers of all types were built and in service at one time or another with the Galactic Empire. The figures do not confirm whether these were strictly Imperial and Imperial II class Star Destroyers, or whether this also includes Star Destroyer types built by the Old Republic and still in use with the Imperial Navy.

Interestingly, the films seem to contradict this. Han Solo says, in Episode IV, that it would take "a least a thousand ships, and more firepower than the entire fleet has available, to destroy a world like that" upon viewing the aftermath of the destruction of the planet Alderaan.

So the real number is probably somewhere in between.
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I believe the actual quote is:

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The entire starfleet couldn't destroy the planet. It would take a thousand ships with more firepower than I've-


And he never finishes, because a TIE Fighter appears.

And as pointed out here:http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Industry/Industry2....

You really can't infer anything. And considering how vast the galaxy is, and that there were various fleets, he could have simply been referring to the local fleet and not the entire Imperial Navy.
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Have there ever been any discussions of the decommission of Imperial Naval vessels? 53,000 star destroyers, but how many were space-worthy at any given time?
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On a slightly related note, I went and did a Google Image search for the Errant Venture, Booster Terrik's Red Star Destroyer, which I was going to mention was my personal favorite Star Destroyer, but the following image was on the first page of results and amused me to no end!
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53,000 sounds like too many, someone doesn't understand economics
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Dude... 53,000 across an entire galaxy? Habitable planets are pretty common in Star Wars.

In reality probably no more than a third of that number is in service. Then again WEG wrote that before the prequels went and f*cked up continuity.
 
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53,000 sounds like too many, someone doesn't understand economics
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Dude... 53,000 across an entire galaxy? Habitable planets are pretty common in Star Wars.


doesn't really work that way.
Star destroyers are very very expensive and very very powerful,
The fact the the empire exists implies a certain mobility I would
suggest 6 months end to end. It is enough you could have star
destroyers on cite after a month to quell unrest and that you
have more than anyone else.

I would think 1000 would be excessive. lots of frigates would be
built instead.

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In reality probably no more than a third of that number is in service.


big waste of resources then.
 
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The "Super" class Star Destroyer, the largest Film Canon warship (unless one considers the Death Star to be a warship, rather than a battle station/space station) identified, was built to act as a command ship for the Imperial Fleet. Four such ships were built, but only one of them, the Executor, was ever seen on screen.

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With a variety of stated sizes for the Executor and her sisters, canon now holds that the "Super" class, an 8 km model was presented to Imperial ruling groups and was actually false information used to disguise the true size of the project, a 19 km long "Executor" class. While original West End Games materials stated there was only four of these things, published materials since then have grown that number.
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With a variety of stated sizes for the Executor and her sisters, canon now holds that the "Super" class, an 8 km model was presented to Imperial ruling groups and was actually false information used to disguise the true size of the project, a 19 km long "Executor" class. While original West End Games materials stated there was only four of these things, published materials since then have grown that number.


Thanks for the clarification, Eric.

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The Imperial Guard, also called the "Red Guard" and the "Royal Guard" were the most elite troops in the Imperial Military. Selected from every branch of the military (Army, Navy, Stormtroopers), they were inducted in secret and trained in the use of advanced techniques, to include some basic training in force-based combat. In fact, original drafts of the guard had them carrying their own lightsabers.

The Guard was said to number anywhere from 50 to 50,000. They were never deployed together at the same time and place. Units were routinely rotated into combat and served as regular Stormtroopers (and, presumably, other combat roles) without any indication or identification that they were, in fact, members of the Guard.

Originally, in drafts of the Prequels, the Imperial Guard were to have descended directly from the Senate Guards seen in Blue in the Prequels. However, it was soon decided that this would not be the case. The Senate Guards were supposed to be "truely incorruptible champions of the Republic," and an underlying plot involving controversy regarding the creation of Palpatine's "Red Guard" was proposed, and eventually dealt with in the Clone Wars animated series. Notably, neither the Imperial Guard nor the Senate Guard are identified as clones.
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I remember reading that the Red Guard trained in pairs for many years, then as a part of their final test they were pitted against each in a fight to the death.
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In the old d6 game, it was stated that Red Guard rotated into regular Imperial stormtrooper ranks. One of the players got caught in a brawl with a single scout stormtooper armed with a vibroblade.

After a few rounds of combat, and a LOT of dice rolling behind my screen, Rob looked at me and said "Is he Red Guard?"

I said, "I am rolling melee and melee parries with d7+2."

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I remember reading that the Red Guard trained in pairs for many years, then as a part of their final test they were pitted against each in a fight to the death.


That's from a comic book that follows one of the guards. I don't think it's canon.
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Ok. But not great.


Yep, and it's Expanded Universe canon. Nice visuals in that one, at least.
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At least three "Death Star" type battlestations were built. The first, a non-firing prototype, was built in an Imperial research facility and features prominently in some Expanded Universe stories. The second, made famous in Episode IV, was destroyed at the Battle of Yavin. The third, featured in Episode VI, was destroyed at the Battle of Endor.

Darth Vader is the only positively identified organic survivor of a Death Star's destruction. Several droids, however, survived the destruction of the first Death Star, according to West End Games.
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There was also the (forgettable) 'Darksaber' project championed by a Hutt crime boss (name escapees me) in league with the Black Sun crime syndicate. To save cost, the design was trimmed down to only the superlaser housing, turning the sphere into a long metallic tube, not unlike a lightsaber hilt (hence the title of the thing). The plan was to use the threat of destruction to extort credits from worlds. Shoddy construction lent to its destruction before it could be used. Like I said, forgettable.

The story did feature the death of General Madine (the guy that describes the shield sabotage mission in Return of the Jedi)
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Fun article/essay "On the Implausibility of the Death Star’s Trash Compactor"

My fellow Star Wars geeky buddy and I had a LOOOOoooong nerd-rage conversation picking this thing to death on my facebook page and concluded this guy doesn't know what he's talking about and it is perfectly plausible to have a trash compactor.googoo
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There was also the (forgettable) 'Darksaber' project championed by a Hutt crime boss (name escapees me) in league with the Black Sun crime syndicate. To save cost, the design was trimmed down to only the superlaser housing, turning the sphere into a long metallic tube, not unlike a lightsaber hilt (hence the title of the thing). The plan was to use the threat of destruction to extort credits from worlds. Shoddy construction lent to its destruction before it could be used. Like I said, forgettable.

The story did feature the death of General Madine (the guy that describes the shield sabotage mission in Return of the Jedi)

There was a memorable Marvel comics SW story with just such a weapon, set between IV and V -- called the Tarkin. It included a cabal of Imperial offices fed up with being choked to death by Vader. Classic.
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I don't see how. He wasn't aboard the Death Star when it was destroyed.
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Fun article/essay "On the Implausibility of the Death Star’s Trash Compactor"

My fellow Star Wars geeky buddy and I had a LOOOOoooong nerd-rage conversation picking this thing to death on my facebook page and concluded this guy doesn't know what he's talking about and it is perfectly plausible to have a trash compactor.googoo


For some reason this short anecdote had me in fits of laughter. Likely just because of the last sentence.
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I don't see how. He wasn't aboard the Death Star when it was destroyed.
I suppose one could say that he "survived" the destruction in that, at the beginning of the battle that would see it destroyed, he was aboard the Death Star. Going by that same vein, though, Luke Skywalker is also a survivor, as he and Vader escaped the disintegrating Death Star II.

Or maybe we're just talking about Imperials who were in the general vicinity of the Death Star upon its destruction. But then we would have to include the remnants of the Imperial fleet that was at Endor, and I read somewhere (not sure of its canon status) that General Veers, who was assigned to the first Death Star, was just about to board when it blew up.
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The Snowtroopers in Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back are (mostly) wearing their armor wrong!

Originally, the "belt armor" worn by the snowtroopers was designed to slot nicely into the gap at the bottom of their chestplates. However, this was not clearly explained to the cast and crew, who wore them both the "point" on the belt worn both correctly (up) and incorrectly (down). During filming, test shots were taken of various actors so that costumes used in future scenes could be replicated quickly and efficiently, and so that uniformity (very important to the Imperial look portrayed in the films) was maintained. The reference photo, however, was taken of an actor who was wearing his armored belt with the "point" down, and as such, all Snowtroopers filmed from that point on were instructed to wear their belts upside-down! The error stuck, and was only recently rediscovered when new production shots were discovered.

However, the Blue Rays have shown that a few snowtroopers did wear their belts correctly - it is generally assumed that these scenes were shot early on, before the "correction" was made.
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Sounds like more Lucas meddling to me...
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Sounds like more Lucas meddling to me...


Perhaps, but some of the guys in the 501st are convinced, based upon still images, that Snowtroopers wore them both ways in the films, so both are treated as "Screen accurate canon" by the club.
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The actors on the set of The Empire Strikes Back had no idea that Darth Vader was Luke's father. Because lines spoken by Darth Vader were originally voiced by David Prowse and later over-dubbed by James Earl Jones, Prowse was given completely different lines to speak during the "big reveal." As a result, they were just as surprised as everyone else that Darth Vader was Luke's father.

The same occurred during the filming of Episode VI: Return of the Jedi. During the filming of that movie, anywhere from four to six alternate endings were filmed, some of which involved the deaths of prominent characters and even victory for the Empire. Harrison Ford supposedly insisted that Han Solo should die at the end of Return of the Jedi to give the character "real depth and meaning," and apparently came away from filming the project believing that the cut featuring his death was the final one. Billy Dee Williams also believed that Lando and the crew of the Millineum Falcon failed to escape the Death Star on time.

Nobody seems to know where the original cuts of either scenes are, or if they even exist anymore.
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I believe the original plan was for the Falcon to not make it out of the Death Star. Han sort of foreshadows this (very subtle, for George Lucas).
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Although technically if you want to be anal about it the ship has one of the best navcomputers in the galaxy. Hyperspace speed is hyperspace speed, and your computer calculates a trajectory that is "safe" around gravity wells and objects and stuff. The Falcon probably has all the safety features turned off and an incredibly precise computer for calculating jumps (that incidentally takes quite a while apparently) so the trip takes less time because it's more direct.

At least, if you believe Lucas' explanation of the Kessel Run in X number parsecs.

Though it doesn't explain how the Falcon makes .5 past lightspeed, unless that's a time manipulation factor. In which case, taking half the time that a normal hyperspace jump would take is pretty damn fast.


A parsec is a unit of length, about 3.26 lightyears. That phrase about making the Kessel Run in X parsecs doesn't make any sense at all. shake


Well, taken at face value no. However, Kessel is located near the Maw, a large collection of black holes. I believe he might have been outrunning someone, I forget, it was in one of the Han Solo books. I think the third of the second trilogy. Anyhoo, he basically got really close to the black hole, which distorted things, and either they actually did shave off a bit of difference, or it was just the Navicomp that registered it as such. From what I remember, it wasn't intentional, but more of a "wow, did we just do that!?" moment.
 
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Although technically if you want to be anal about it the ship has one of the best navcomputers in the galaxy. Hyperspace speed is hyperspace speed, and your computer calculates a trajectory that is "safe" around gravity wells and objects and stuff. The Falcon probably has all the safety features turned off and an incredibly precise computer for calculating jumps (that incidentally takes quite a while apparently) so the trip takes less time because it's more direct.

At least, if you believe Lucas' explanation of the Kessel Run in X number parsecs.

Though it doesn't explain how the Falcon makes .5 past lightspeed, unless that's a time manipulation factor. In which case, taking half the time that a normal hyperspace jump would take is pretty damn fast.


A parsec is a unit of length, about 3.26 lightyears. That phrase about making the Kessel Run in X parsecs doesn't make any sense at all. shake


Well, taken at face value no. However, Kessel is located near the Maw, a large collection of black holes. I believe he might have been outrunning someone, I forget, it was in one of the Han Solo books. I think the third of the second trilogy. Anyhoo, he basically got really close to the black hole, which distorted things, and either they actually did shave off a bit of difference, or it was just the Navicomp that registered it as such. From what I remember, it wasn't intentional, but more of a "wow, did we just do that!?" moment.


Ummm... Isn't "it's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs" a classic example of a bad retcon? E.g. "Oops, our writer and/or technical adviser mistakenly used a unit of distance instead of time. Now we need to make up a series of unnecessarily elaborate stories to explain it away..."
 
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You can call it whatever you want. And the explanation I don't think is really that elaborate, or bad.

But I wouldn't expect a Star Trek fan to understand. laugh
 
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You can call it whatever you want. And the explanation I don't think is really that elaborate, or bad.

But I wouldn't expect a Star Trek fan to understand. laugh


Can't we all just get along?



I'm pretty forgiving of Episode IV... but there's no excuse for errors in the sequels (and general suckiness in the prequels). The line that bugs me most from the original trilogy is from the first act of Empire Strikes Back, when Han decides to search for Luke:

Random deck hand: "Your tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker."

Han Solo: "Then I'll see you in Hell!"

It's the only reference that I'm aware of (at least, within the movies) to Judeo-Christian-Islamic (Abrahamic) religion. I'm unaware of any other reference to a Heaven or Hell in the Star Wars universe. It seems like a pretty gross error in a movie series with a religious theme ("the force") - and which, ironically, has become somewhat of a "religion" itself, right down to inspiring discrimination against competing "religions" (your jocular hatred of Trekkies, for instance).

But I digress...
 
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As a result of editing, more than just the "new scenes" added to the Special Editions of the films have changed.

Some of the highlights....

- In the original cantina scene in Episode IV, Han Solo clearly shoots FIRST at Greedo, the Bounty-Hunter who hopes to make a quick buck by taking his head back to Jabba. The scene was edited for a recent DVD release to make it appear that Greedo shot (badly) first. However, after massive fan protest, the scene was restored, only to re-surface in the "Greedo Shot First" variant with the new Blue Ray releases.

- The "Shevastanian Wolfman" a character who appears in the Cantina Scene, was removed from the films prior to their DVD release. The reason? The "wolfman" mask used was used in filming without permission, and the copyright holders refused to allow it to remain in the film without being paid royalties. As such, it was removed.

- Voice work for Boba Fett was originally done by actor Jason Wingreen. However, it was decided that, since Boba was a clone of Jango Fett, played by Temura Morrison (who also played the other clones in the prequels), the voice of Boba should be "identical" to that of his "father." Interestingly, the voices of the Stormtroopers were not changed, giving weight to the later Lucasfilm confirmation in more recent novels that most Stormtroopers were, in fact, not clones.

- Mara Jade, the "Emperor's Hand" first introduced in the "Heir to the Empire" trilogy by Timothy Zahn, was added to Jabba's Palace in the Special Edition of Episode IV. She is disguised as a dancer, and crouches atop the grating over Jabba's beast pit, watching Luke fight the Rancor.

- In death scenes from "Return of the Jedi", the face of Anakin Skywalker was replaced with that of Hayden Christensen, who played the part in the Prequels. His spirit, depicted in the final scenes of the film along Yoda and Obi-Wan, is also replaced with an image of Christensen. Anakin was originally portrayed by Sebastian Shaw. However, when the Prequels were written, it was decided to make Anakin "younger" and the Clone Wars more "recent" than had originally been envisioned, therefore Shaw was seen as "too old" for the part.

- One of the most notorious changes occurred with the Blue Ray edition of the films recently released. In this edition, Vader is seen to throw Emperor Palpatine down the reactor shaft on the Death Star, and to shout, "NOOOOOOOO!" at the top of his lungs - the same line given at learning that Padme is dead. Vader said no such thing in the original cut of the films.



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Han Solo clearly shoots FIRST at Greedo

I don't believe Greedo shoots at all.

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She is disguised as a dancer, and crouches atop the grating over Jabba's beast pit, watching Luke fight the Rancor.

Hmmm... you sure about that? I know that there was a story, circulating for years, that she was the one in maroon (because the EU introduced her as having waited for Luke at Jabba's). But, if that's who you're referring to, she was always in the movie.
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I HATE that whole NNOOOO thing at the end of Jedi.

So you do not want?
 
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I'll never understand why "fans" get so upset about these changes and whatever else Lucas does. It's his project. Deal with it and just accept each form for what it is. How these EVER force people to get so upset I will never understand.


I'll never get why people feel the need to repeatedly say this. Yes it's his work. Yes he can do what he wants. And yes, I can tell ol' Lucas to shove it when I don't like something he's done.

For the most part, I like the SE's. But the SE that was released in theater, you can't get on DVD because he tinkered with it even more. So no, I really can't watch the version I want to watch.


Hi Jacob --

All I hear is the whiners. I've never seen anyone say what I said. Glad to hear there's more like-minded individuals around.

So there are two parts in six films that bother you, and this ruins the entire catalogue?


You just trolling, or do you have something to add?


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Why so serious?

Also it was just a question, I wasn't making an accusation.


Creative use of syntax isn't a viable excuse. Surely this isn't your first foray into the World Wide Web and I'm quite certain you already know what threads degrade into once the "Trolling" term gets tossed about. If you feel someone is, then flag it. If it's ambiguous or not trolling, then move on. The fact that you had to ask tells me it was ambiguous enough from your perspective, but if you need clarification from a poster and must ask, don't ask someone if they're trolling. That's just naive.

Now can we agree to get back on track? If you want clarification from SlikkRikk, geekmail him. He's a pretty cool guy and if you're genuinely looking for clarification, I'm pretty sure he'll do his best to simplify his position and thoughts for you.

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I HATE that whole NNOOOO thing at the end of Jedi.

So you do not want it?


Nope - due the constant tinkering I won't be buying the Blu-Ray versions of the movies. I will just stick with the my older DVDs of the special editions and borrow my friends VCR tapes of the original theater releases to burn to DVD.
 
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Creative use of syntax isn't a viable excuse. Surely this isn't your first foray into the World Wide Web and I'm quite certain you already know what threads degrade into once the "Trolling" term gets tossed about. If you feel someone is, then flag it. If it's ambiguous or not trolling, then move on. The fact that you had to ask tells me it was ambiguous enough from your perspective, but if you need clarification from a poster and must ask, don't ask someone if they're trolling. That's just naive.

Now can we agree to get back on track? If you want clarification from SlikkRikk, geekmail him. He's a pretty cool guy and if you're genuinely looking for clarification, I'm pretty sure he'll do his best to simplify his position and thoughts for you.

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Didn't realize we had two moderators in this forum, cool.

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"The Empire was anti-alien" - it's often repeated by numerous sources, but the fact is that this was created entirely by novels and comic books created -after- the original films. In no film canon source is the Empire ever seen to actively persecute aliens any more than it persecutes human beings.

The confusion seems to arise from the fact that Imperial forces shown on screen with open helmets and uncovered faces are undoubtedly human. Stormtroopers and various pilots, with covered faces, are at least humanoid.

The idea that no alien served in the Imperial Military is also a creation of post-film authors, such as Timothy Zahn. In fact, several books published by Lucasfilm seem to contradict this.

At the moment, the accepted idea in Expanded Universe canon seems to be that aliens were treated differently according to their "degrees of humanity" - that is, the more they looked like humans, the less prejudice they experienced.

However, the idea that aliens were actively persecuted or prevented from serving in Imperial ranks is never touched upon by any of the six films. The only possible reference occurs in Episode IV, when one of the officers in the Death Star's detention block asks where Han and Luke (disguised as stormtroopers with Chewbacca in manacles) are "taking that thing."

However, it's worth noting that Leia herself calls Chewie a "walking carpet" only a few minutes later.

Further confusion is caused by the prequels. Palpatine is seen actively working, both as Darth Sidious, and as a Senator, with alien races. His aids are alien, as is his trusted apprentice, Darth Maul (a Zabrak.)

A similar myth, probably created by Kevin Anderson (who created the Admiral Daala character) is that females never served in important positions in the Imperial military (Daala being the only exception.) However, (rather controversially, it seems) Lucasfilm has since confirmed that even a few stormtroopers were women!

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A Zabrak is as "human" as a Chiss. I believe there was a prominent Chiss imperial in the Zahn books...
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In the first trilogy, the rebels were predominantly human. I'm probably missing a ton, but I'm can't think of any on-screen alien rebels until Admiral Akbar.


Chewbacca, for sure.


Many Bothans died in getting the Death Star plans into the hands of the Rebellion's leadership. They weren't on screen, but I'd say if they were willing to put their lives at risk to do so, they were either part of the Rebellion or Rebel sympathizers.
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Before the prequels, if you read a lot of the background stuff you'd definitely see a lot more Aliens in the rebellion. I do think though in the Rebellion, it was human-centric. In one of the West End Games sourcebooks I seem to recall, one of the Aliens who was on the commando team that went with Han was commenting how humans like Han and Lando got all the attention.

But like the "Wolfman" in the original original Episode IV, later joins the Rebellion and becomes a pilot, only to die.
 
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In the first trilogy, the rebels were predominantly human. I'm probably missing a ton, but I'm can't think of any on-screen alien rebels until Admiral Akbar.


Chewbacca, for sure.


True, but I put Han and Chewbacca as allies rather than true rebels, at least until the third movie.
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Before the prequels, if you read a lot of the background stuff you'd definitely see a lot more Aliens in the rebellion. I do think though in the Rebellion, it was human-centric. In one of the West End Games sourcebooks I seem to recall, one of the Aliens who was on the commando team that went with Han was commenting how humans like Han and Lando got all the attention.

But like the "Wolfman" in the original original Episode IV, later joins the Rebellion and becomes a pilot, only to die.


Agreed. This is why I had qualified it as on-screen. My point being that limitations of 70s special effects probably drove both Empire and Rebels to be largely human.
 
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Star Wars has a canon that is immense and internally consistent to a remarkable degree.

All canon can be thought of as "historical reports" from a galaxy far, far away. While generally reliable, none of it (even the movies) can be considered infallible like religious adherents would consider canonical religious writings.

Unlike many other franchises, nearly everything with a Star Wars logo is part of the canon to some degree, even video games. (Though of course, your particular playing of a video game is not canon, nor is every possible ending of a video game.)

While nothing is infallible, not everything is created equally either. There are clearly more important canonical works, which trump works at the lower levels.

G-canon ("George"): the six movies, including their novelizations.
T-canon ("TV"): the TV shows and associated movie.
C-canon ("Continuity"): Most everything else. Books, comics, video games.
S-canon ("Secondary"): Older works that may introduce big contradictions
N-canon ("Non"): Not canon at all. Deleted scenes, "what-if" books, etc.

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In one of the guides to the Star Wars Galaxy, it listed what was canon. If an item had the Rebel Alliance symbol, it was official George Lucas. This included the movies, the original 3 books, and the radio dramas.

If the item had a New Republic logo, it was "Expanded Universe" canon, meaning it was canon, but Lucas could(and as we've seen did) change things to suit him. Like Boba Fett.

I never took the video games to be "official", since a lot of what they did was for game balance. TIE Fighters carrying missiles and having shields, T-Wings in TIE Fighter, the various capital ships in Rebellion strategy game...
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I never took the video games to be "official", since a lot of what they did was for game balance. TIE Fighters carrying missiles and having shields, T-Wings in TIE Fighter, the various capital ships in Rebellion strategy game...


Right - video game details like that aren't canon. Just the plot/characters. (And just one particular ending of the plot.)
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In the early 1990s, Lucasfilm answered my letter by defining the following (and only the following) as Canon.

- Any print or media product with the Lucasfilm/Lucas Books Imprint (the visual guides, the "Tales" series, the Han Solo and Lando books as memory serves.) I suppose that would also include the Droids cartoon, etc.

- The Heir to the Empire cycle, and Dark Empire I (but curiously, not
Dark Empire II, as I often remember. Then again, perhaps DE2 hadn't been released as yet.) This was further appended with a note that "new films based upon Episodes 7 to 9" could easily replace this entirely.

- The films

This was rather interesting at the time, since it "picked and chose" EU novels rather than specifically clarifying them all as "Expanded Universe canon" as they are now. I remember some protest that "Truce at Bakura" and "The Courtship of Princess Leia" weren't included, but if I recall, neither was particularly good...



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I thought for forever that the movies where the only thing out there. Any reading I'd done was limited to short western novels or similar. I'm glad I picked up some of the books.
 
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I thought for forever that the movies where the only thing out there. Any reading I'd done was limited to short western novels or similar. I'm glad I picked up some of the books.


Yeah the novels are hit and miss, but there's some great ones out there. In general, anything pre-Heir to the Empire can be rife with continuity errors and anachronisms. I actually prefer some of the writing in the novels to much of Lucas' work. The New Jedi Order books were superb, if a bit cliched. Once main characters started getting knocked off, it ratcheted up the tension in a way that was never previously felt. It sucks that a certain character had to die to protect another main character, only for the second character to die later on anyways. Yes, this is vague for a reason. Not everyone has read the series and I'm not spoiling anything for them.
 
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Yes, it does feel like a betrayal to my childhood.


I can understand this, but why give 6 movies and one producer this kind of power over your life?

I was a huge fan of the movies growing up. I think I was 12 or 13 when Star Wars first came out and it knocked my socks off. Empire Strikes Back was even better (though the whole thing with Vader being Luke's father felt a little revisionist and Obi Wan's explanation in RotJ rang hollow for me). I remember reading and re-reading the Rolling Stone interview with Lucas right after the release of the first movie. I became appreciative of what Lucas was able to achieve with just over eleven million dollars and a bunch of unknown actors. His description of his plans for 3 total trilogies whetted my appetite for more. I even got to help a friend deliver a package to a family member on the set of what was then called Revenge of the Jedi (though all the signs on the set had some other name for the movie). His uncle (I think) was a costume designer for the Endor costumes and needed some last minute changes to what looked to me like a trench coat that someone had vandalized with green and brown spraypaint. Then I saw Return of the Jedi and wasn't terribly thrilled with it. I had heard a rumor there'd be wookies, but instead there were stupid little teddy bears in what appeared to be a change to appeal to the folks selling the toys. Glints of a good movie shown through, but the result was a bi-polar movie that was half a good sci-fi romp and half a movie that was a clear stab at making mint from its marketing.

To make a long story short, the trend continued with the prequels and the license is so hashed now I can't see anyone turning it around IMHO (though Bio-ware has done some great stuff and I like the Zahn books). According to George Lucas, the Star Wars of my childhood never existed. Books like Splinter of the Minds Eye were complete fabrications. I refuse to give Lucas that kind of power. Keep in mind, this is the guy who made Howard the Duck. Arguably, one of the worst movies to come out of Hollywood since Plan 9 from Outer Space.

It's hard to establish true canon when the source of the original material can't even make up his own mind what works and what doesn't. I am 48 now and my childhood memories are too valuable to leave in the hands of a second-rate Hollywood movie producer who got lucky once with American Graffitti, a second time with Star Wars and, finally, a third time with the Kasdan production team for Empire Strikes Back. Unfortunately, the luck didn't continue and we have the descent into chaos brought on by the ability to make whatever movie Lucas wanted with whatever cast he wanted. Hence, the horrible actor they got to play Anakin in the first prequel. Can you imagine what his character would have been like if he had been played by a child actor with some chops?

Anyway, I digress...it just saddens me to see people let Lucasfilm define their world.

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I had heard a rumor there'd be wookies, but instead there were stupid little teddy bears in what appeared to be a change to appeal to the folks selling the toys.


True. Notice: WOOK-E / E-WOK. Not a coincidence.
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laugh That was freaking awesome! LOL
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