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Dominion: Dark Ages
Fantastiqa
Mage Knight: Board Game
Mice and Mystics
Eclipse
Among the Stars
Collapsible D: The Final Minutes of the Titanic
Thunder Road
Agricola: All Creatures Big and Small
Lords of Waterdeep
Descent: Journeys in the Dark (Second Edition)
Dungeon Fighter
Virgin Queen
Skyline
The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game
A Game of Thrones: The Board Game (Second Edition)
Twilight Struggle
Dominion
Android: Netrunner
1989: Dawn of Freedom
Agricola
The Big Bang Theory: The Party Game
Total War
Arkham Horror
7 Wonders
Village
Dungeon Command: Sting of Lolth
Wrong Chemistry
The Castles of Burgundy
Ace of Spies
War of the Ring
Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization
Alien Frontiers
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Twilight Imperium (third edition)
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Glory to Rome
The Swarm
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Caylus
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Most and least generous game raters
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The title of this list is a bit misleading - sorry. Its a list in order to search for the most and least generous game raters, but I have included some BGG notables to kick it off.

Here is how it works: calculate the average difference between your rating and the BGG rating. If that average is above zero then you are probably a generous rater (compared to others here) and if it is below zero then you are a harsh rater (compared to others here).

Add an item of your most loved game compared to the rest of BGG and some stats from your collection!

(Note that the "BGG rating" and the "average rating" are different things)
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1. Board Game: Why Did the Chicken...? [Average Rating:6.22 Overall Rank:2226]
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Tom Vasal: +0.18 average difference

Everyone has read Tom's reviews of games, and many (like me) think that he is fair but a little generous. Apparently not - on average, his ratings are more-or-less in line with the rest of BGG, although on the generous side.

The game which Tom likes more highly than the average BGG rating is "Why Did The Chicken?". Also highly rated, compared to BGG are:

+3.42 Why Did the Chicken...?
+3.36 Duel of Ages Set 1 - Worldspanner
+3.24 BattleLore: Call to Arms
+3.02 Cosmic Encounter
+2.90 Dungeon Twister

At the other end, the games which he most disagrees with BGG are:

-4.27 Pictionary
-4.44 Scrabble
-4.53 Rack-O
-4.82 Tower of Babel
-5.00 Dutch Blitz


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I think that the perception that Tom Vasel is likely to give a more favorable review than not of a game is perceived by a number of game designers and companies, too.

When checking up on a review copy of the "Havoc" card-game expansion that was long overdue, I contacted its game designer who asked me in passing if I would be doing a review like Tom Vasel. I told if he meant in depth, yes.

But that apparently was NOT what the game designer meant after all, for he seemed caught off guard by my response and suddenly became indecisive. It only took me a few moments to finesse the situation and to ask him as a follow-up, "Were you indirectly asking me then if I'm already inclined to give the game a positive review?"

The designer begged off from the question, but suddenly it was a no-go: He wasn't going to send me the review copy after all.

So, perhaps the stats on Tom Vasel's proclivity to more often than not give more positive ratings for games indicate that they do mirror some, if not most, of the aforementioned industry's perception of him.

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I think what you have mixed up here is the perception of TV's reviews vesus hisactual ratings. What you are trying to determine on this list is the ratings - a tangible measure of how TV really feels about a game. What most people perceive is his softball approach to reviews which may be slanted towards the positive in his connotation but hardly measurable.

I enjoy TV's reviews, and while I think he is too generous most times, his reviews are very useful to me. But what I find even more useful, are the actual ratings he gives games. I think that is a much better indication of what he really feels. And as you may have noticed, when companies quote his reviews, they take the text like "this game was a surprise..." instead of showing "Tom Vasel rated this game a 6."

I stumbled across this little nuance when using the BGG Rating Correlation. About 6 months ago, TV was my closest match on the Geek. (Since then, his correlation rating has stayed about the same compared to me, I have just had so many more people pass him by).
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ShreveportLAGamer wrote:
So, perhaps the stats on Tom Vasel's proclivity to more often than not give more positive ratings for games indicate that they do mirror some, if not most, of the aforementioned industry's perception of him.


It seems to me that major publishers get mostly good reviews from Tom and obscure games get mostly mediocre or bad ones. I have no evidence for this, it was just something that I noticed over a couple of weeks of reading the reviews on the Dice Tower.
 
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2. Board Game: Squad Leader [Average Rating:7.46 Overall Rank:192]
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Greg Schloesser: +0.08 average difference

Greg is very much in line with the BGG average. His extremes are also less extreme than Tom's.

Ratings most different to BGG average:

+2.79 Squad Leader
+2.57 Lock 'N Load: Forgotten Heroes Vietnam
+2.47 Railroad Dice
+2.29 Vikingatid
+2.26 Victory & Honor

-3.65 Apples to Apples
-4.22 Ritter Ohne Furcht und Tadel
-4.44 Die Kutschfahrt zur Teufelsburg
-4.51 Rosenkönig
-4.69 Magic Realm

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3. Board Game: Poisson d'Avril [Average Rating:6.62 Overall Rank:2805]
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Douglas Adams: -0.28 average difference

Douglas is the second most prolific session reporter on BGG. He is also a tough rater!

Ratings most different to BGG average:

+3.90 Poisson d'Avril
+3.80 Take it to the Limit
+3.06 MotorChamp
+3.00 VolgaFront
+2.98 Lord of the Rings

-3.52 Dune
-3.63 Lifeboats
-3.69 Magic Realm
-3.89 I'm the Boss
-4.21 San Marco

 
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You might be best of ignoring Poisson d'Avril.
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  • Posted Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:51 pm
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Yep. The joke is old and moldy.
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4. Board Game: The Really Nasty Horse Racing Game [Average Rating:6.48 Overall Rank:1681]
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Michael Barnes: -0.68 average difference

I guess M Barnes has the reputation as the toughest rater on BGG, and the average difference reflects this.

Ratings most different to BGG average:

+3.76 Really Nasty Horse Racing Game, The
+3.75 Borderlands
+3.31 Magic Realm
+3.31 Gothic Game, the
+3.28 Mare Nostrum

-5.01 Colosseum
-5.02 El Grande
-5.05 Hansa
-5.06 Caylus
-5.13 Hart an der Grenze
-5.20 Blood Feud In New York
-5.21 Vegas Showdown
-5.23 Illuminati
-5.24 Coyote
-5.26 Saint Petersburg
-5.32 Thurn and Taxis
-5.34 Louis XIV
-5.34 RoboRally
-5.39 TransEuropa
-5.49 Pillars of the Earth, The
-5.50 Australia
-6.09 Werewolf
-6.53 Ticket to Ride

(Note: I have ignored the ratings of 10 for Monkey Auto Races and Pop-Up Pirate)
 
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I guess M Barnes has the reputation as the toughest rater on BGG


That's not the only reputation he has...
 
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  • Posted Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:56 am
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waddball wrote:
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Wasn't he banned?

Not for his ratings! Well, not directly, anyway. ninja

Yeah, not so much the ratings, as the raNtings.
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Which is fortunate. We need more people like Barnes to stop bad games from having high ratings.
 
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  • Posted Mon Oct 1, 2007 6:49 am
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He was just banned from posting. Put him as your geek buddy and you can see his latest, well-written comments on games.
 
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I think that Barnes rated things so hard-core as a way of making a point.
 
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5. Board Game: Star Wars Customizable Card Game [Average Rating:6.51 Overall Rank:1031]
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John Clark (me!): -0.41 average difference

Ratings most different to BGG average:

+3.93 Star Wars CCG
+2.56 Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation
+2.37 Settlers of Catan, The
+2.30 Clue Master Detective
+2.11 Scattergories

-2.97 Settlers of Catan Card Game, The
-3.16 Very Clever Pipe Game, The
-3.35 Taboo
-3.50 Queen's Necklace
-3.77 Pictionary
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6. Board Game: Who? What? Where? [Average Rating:7.16 Overall Rank:2358]
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Aldie: +0.90 average difference

Being the administrator of BGG requires a lot of patience with difficult computers, people and games. Aldie's ratings are VERY generous compared to BGG.

Ratings most different to BGG average:

+4.07 Who? What? Where?
+3.96 Race for the Galaxy
+3.74 Cluzzle
+3.73 Piecepack
+3.59 Black Vienna

-3.22 Ritter Ohne Furcht und Tadel
-3.39 7 Safari
-3.97 Titan
-4.12 Skip-bo
-4.15 UNO (including themed editions without new cards)
 
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7. Board Game: El Caballero [Average Rating:6.59 Overall Rank:961]
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Derk: -0.28 average difference

Derk, in marked contrast to Aldie, is a harsh game rater!

Ratings most different to BGG average:

+3.45 El Caballero
+3.02 Java
+2.73 Time's Up!
+2.66 RoboRally
+2.63 En Garde

-3.81 Chez Geek
-4.09 Chrononauts
-4.22 Ritter Ohne Furcht und Tadel
-4.42 Falling
-4.50 Fluxx
 
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I always guessed Aldie was the nice one of the two.
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  • Posted Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:52 am
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I see it as Good Cop/Bad Cop.
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8. Board Game: Medieval Merchant [Average Rating:6.78 Overall Rank:788]

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I'm not very exciting, with an average--if I calculated correctly--of -0.03 difference.

Medieval Merchant is my largest positive difference (i.e. I rate it higher than BGG does), with my rating of 9.5 being 2.58 points above the BGG rating of 6.92. I really like this game. It's very subtle and has some great tensions between short-term and long-term objectives, as well as some clever scoring bonuses to rein in an otherwise anti-climatic end-game. If you like the network-building of Power Grid but could do without all the fiddly bits, this would be a great substitute for you.

Other big positive differences for me are: Tichu, Big City, Taluva, and Attika. That's saying quite a bit for how much I enjoy these games, as all of them are rated and ranked exceedingly high in the overall scheme of things. I just think they're all pretty-near perfect games.

Shakespeare: The Bard Game is my largest negative difference, with my rating of 4 being 2.35 points below the BGG rating of 6.35. I suppose the actual process of collecting the props and actors and scripts and then putting on the plays isn't that bad, but the fact that everything just comes down to who knows the most about Shakespeare or reads the most dramatically isn't all that great from a sheer game-play standpoint. Great game for Shakespeare fans, to be sure, and I'm occasionally one of those, but not rabid enough of one to really enjoy this much on its own merits as a game.

Other big negative differences for me are: Colosseum (very similar to Shakespeare; only played once, and it was an enjoyable time, just not as enjoyable as BGG's 7.3 rating would suggest to me), Loco (felt too much like Euro-UNO, and not even Knizia can save UNO), and Saboteur.
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9. Board Game: Java [Average Rating:7.08 Overall Rank:313]
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Average Difference = -0.67

Largest positive difference (I like them more than average)

Java +2.86

San Marco +2.66 -- This and Java are definitely both Top 10 games in my opinion, no question.

Carcassonne +2.43

eBay Electronic Talking Auction Game +2.07 -- Crazy, crazy underrated! Everyone should go out and buy a copy on eBay right away, I got mine for $4, and it's actually a really good 3-player auction game (just don't play with 4 players.

Age of Steam +1.93

El Grande +1.90

Die Macher +1.88 -- This and Age of Steam and El Grande are obviously all 10's in my book

Kreta +1.82

Tigris & Euphrates +1.77

In the Shadow of the Emperor +1.77 -- This and Kreta are both very overlooked area control games, fans of the genre would do well to check both out.

Largest negative difference (I like them less than average)

Cities and Knights of Catan - 5-6 Player Expansion -4.39

Settlers of Catan - 5-6 Player Expansion -4.25 -- Settlers should never be played with more than 4 players in my opinion, never ever.

Pirate's Cove -3.78

Modern Art -3.69

Mille Bornes -3.67

Jenga -3.32 -- Try Fire or Arbos or Chairs or Bamboleo or anything else instead

Attika -3.32

Lord of the Rings -3.09 -- Only 4 of my 6 least favorite eurogames made it onto the list (Pirate's Cove, Modern Art, Attika, and Lord of the Rings), with Acquire and Power Grid not making the cut I suppose.
 
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Yep, Java is one of the greatest!

Great similarities here - I also think Attika is a big dud. yuk

You should try El Caballero if you can get it - I bet you will love it.
 
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El Caballero currently tops my wishlist (along with Liberte, Chinatown, Big City), so if I ever spot an affordable copy, I'll definitely pick it up and give it a try
 
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10. Board Game: Magic: The Gathering [Average Rating:7.35 Overall Rank:138]
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Unsurprisingly, my average divergence is positive, as I've tended to end up rating games I care enough to rate, and those are more likely to be games I like.

Magic is my biggest divergence from the BGG average, clocking in at +2.85. It's also my sole 10. The picture I'm using to represent it is one I took at Grand Prix San Francisco earlier this year.

My next four positive differences:

Mechwarrior: Dark Age (+2.06) - I was quite into this for several years, although Magic has once again dominated my gaming time. Notably, my second high performer is also a collectible game. Unlike many on BGG, I'm a big fan of the collectible format and its many strengths.

Fortress America (+1.60) - Why are so many people not giving FA the love it deserves? It's a nice, clean design with an archaic yet engaging concept. I wonder if the asymmetry makes it unbalanced when people aren't yet experienced with it. I could see that being off-putting.

Battletroops (+1.43) - The relatively unknown game of infantry combat in the Battletech universe. I really liked the system, and would have appreciated seeing it in a different setting (like, say, 20th/21st century combat).

The Hunt for Red October (+1.43) - I suspect if I ever replayed this these days, I might have to readjust the rating. But I really, really enjoyed it at the time (how cool is the war for the North Atlantic? very cool...).

The bottom five, counting "up":

Berserker (-1.15) - Who's rating this game high? It's broken (use the rail guns, people).

Star Wars Miniatures Starship Battles (-1.63) - Awesome miniatures. Utterly disappointing rules set. It would have benefited greatly from cleaving more closely to the Battlefleet Gothic rules from which it was derived.

Crimson Skies (-1.91) - Far too slow for a game of fighter combat. Wings of War takes the same core mechanical concept and does it right. The miniatures are, again, pretty.

Warhammer Fantasy Battle (-2.43) - The game of teeny fantasy skirmishes fought as if they involved more units. Also, forget about maneuver. Deeply unfun. I sold off my elves.

Settlers of Catan (-2.63) - Trying to optimize placement is fun. The extensive roll-and-wait is way less fun. Not bad, just bland.
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11. Board Game: Pente [Average Rating:6.63 Overall Rank:818]
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My average is -0.065 (323 games rated. I haven't updated my ratings in a while though, plus I have a few that I've played, but have not rated yet.)

Games I dislike more than the average:
The Settlers of Catan -4.76
Elasund: The First City of Catan -4.18
Wallenstein -3.38
Family Business -3.26
Middle-Earth -3.17

Games I like more than the average:

Blokus Trigon +2.72
Magic: The Gathering +2.73
Taluva +2.73
Richelieu +3.16
Pente +3.33
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12. Board Game: Talisman [Average Rating:6.50 Overall Rank:987]
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-0.48 average difference


Ratings most different to BGG average:

+3.68 Talisman
+2.93 Arkham Horror (Chaosium)
+2.82 California
+2.69 Arkham Horror (FFG)
+2.56 Buffy the Vampire Slayer

-4.15 Filthy Rich
-4.23 Leonardo da Vinci
-4.32 Torres
-4.44 Poison
-4.55 El Caballero


This is interesting. Thanks.
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13. Board Game: Ark [Average Rating:6.36 Overall Rank:1216]
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+0.45 compared to raw averages (+0.62 compared to the Baesian averages)

Hmm... I thought I was nicer than that...

Maybe it's because I don't rate expansions because I never figured out whether I should be rating them against the game or rating the game including the expansion.

My More-Loved-Than-Others Games (mostly driven by my 9s and 10s)
+2.50 Ark (9 for me)
+2.30 Attribute (9 for me)
+2.10 Railroad Tycoon (one of my 10s)
+2.09 Killer Bunnies (I enjoy silliness)
+2.00 Antiquity (my other 10)
+2.00 Scattergories (I'm not wordgamephobic)

My Less-Loved-Than-Others Games
-1.54 Raj (not a fan of themeless blind bidding)
-1.31 Mykerinos (only played once, but it felt really dry)
-1.07 Yahtzee (fine for kids; wouldn't choose to play it myself though)
-1.06 Can't Stop (push your luck games aren't my thing; I'll play it occasionally as a time killer though)
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14. Board Game: G.O.O.T.M.U. [Average Rating:5.44 Overall Rank:6559]
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I am astonished to find out how close I am:

-.0108. (I'll bet my Standard Deviation is pretty high, though.)

I'm also astonished I'm lower on the games I've rated - I think of myself as a generous rater.

Biggest discrepancies:

Where I'm higher:

GOOTMU: +4.56
Bowling Bunnies +3.6
Scrabble: +3.46
Sindbad: +2.8 (rating for playing with kids)

Where I'm lower:

Paths of Glory: -6.12
Taj Mahal: -5.76
Modern Art: -5.69
Through the Desert: -5.48

Not a Knizia fan, I guess ... though, I do rate some of his above the BGG average: Honeybears +2.35 and En Garde +2.34, for example.
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15. Board Game: De Bellis Antiquitatis [Average Rating:7.18 Overall Rank:791]
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Of 111 ranked games I've rated, my average deviation from the Bayesian average is -1.15. Apparently, I'm a fount of negativity. devil

My biggest positive deviations:
+2.65 De Bellis Antiquitatis
+2.54 Britannia

My biggest negative deviations:
-4.66 Warhammer 40,000 (fourth edition)
-4.49 Warmaster
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16. Board Game: Backgammon [Average Rating:6.50 Overall Rank:787]
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Well, looks like I'm pretty mean spirited. My average difference is -0.99 for the 144 games that I have rated. But I do like boardgames, honestly!

The games I’ve rated higher than average are:
Backgammon +3.50
Monopoly +2.50
No Thanks! +1.89
PitchCar +1.65
San Juan +1.39

And the games I dislike more that others:
Ambush! -5.24
Carcassonne Traders & Builders -4.61
Dog's Life, A -4.57
Maharaja: Palace Building in India -4.57
Dragon Dice -4.43
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17. Board Game: Sunda to Sahul [Average Rating:6.06 Overall Rank:2877]
 
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Well, I am not as far off as I thought I would be... My average difference is +0.966280214, but my standard deviation is 1.107904764 with most being above the BGG average. My ratings are skewed I think as using Geek Buddies, BGG comments, and other information has allowed me to buy more games I like, thus a higher difference.

My top 5 positive differences (meaning I rated it higher) are as follows:

Game My Rating BGG Rating
Sunda to Sahul 9.5 6.32128
Quoridor 10 6.86957
Sumo! 9 6.01489
Mouse Chaos 7.5 4.51724
Gulo Gulo 10 7.03261


Mouse Chaos, I am certain, carries low ratings as to the methods Jeff Widderich chose to initially push his games on here and less to do with actual game play.

My top 5 negative differences (meaning I rated it lower) are as follows:

Game My Rating BGG Rating
Booby-Trap 4 5.23838
Cranium Cariboo 5 6.32893
Pit 5 6.48347
Monopoly 2.5 4.50177
Game of Life, The 1 3.77534


Cariboo surprises me a bit, it's a decent enough kids game that keeps their attention and is somewhat educational, but I really don't think it is that good.

I suspect Pit will come up in my ratings once I replay it, maybe Booby-Trap as well.

Interestingly, only four games fall outside two times my standard deviation: Cariboo, Pit, Monopoly, and The Game of life - all my negative ones. So my differences on the positive side fall within the 95% confidence of being reasonable, even for their large differences.

I am not surprised my overall average is almost a point higher than BGG. With all the research I can do, check with geek buddies, read comments and reviews and session reports, etc. I can't imagine not choosing a game I would like now.

Incidentally, there are 3 games I am spot on the BGG average(maybe I am the only rater?):

Glyphe Caster
Cubicado
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18. Board Game: Attika [Average Rating:7.08 Overall Rank:256]
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I thought I was "nicer," but I'm at -0.68 to the average (direct comparison to games I've rated only, not all games, of course). Kind of surprised to see the BGG average at 6.66, but I guess there's selection bias for you. My standard deviation is 1.92, compared to BGG's at 1.03.

Some differences of note and superficial, bilious commentary:

-5.0 Bang! (you really don't know who the outlaws are, do you?)
-3.9 Poker (fold, fold, oh look--damn, everyone folded, fold...)
-3.6 Ingenious (pardon me, I'm off to play the grahhhnd piahhhno)
-3.2 Diplomacy (I know, let's hold a gullibility pageant!)
-3.1 Formula De (oh, I should speed UP to hit this tight corner?)
-2.9 Go (no, it's fun to see who is the least terrible player)
-2.9 Lost Cities (I made two real choices this game; wow, a record!)

+2.0 Subbuteo (yes, it is in real time, sorry to stress you out)
+2.2 INWO (oh wait...I lied)
+2.4 Fortress America (well, it's imbalanced when you play like THAT)
+2.4 LOTR (let's see you turn a novel into a game)
+2.5 Netrunner (I will not sully this with a cheap joke)
+2.7 Attika (yeah, just lucky these last ten games, I guess)
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-5.0 Bang! (you really don't know who the outlaws are, do you?)

Agree!
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-3.9 Poker (fold, fold, oh look--damn, everyone folded, fold...)

Raise your blinds and antes if you have this problem.
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+2.4 Fortress America (well, it's imbalanced when you play like THAT)

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19. Board Game: Star Trek Red Alert [Average Rating:6.38 Overall Rank:3450]
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I'm pretty harsh. Here's a quick look at the tails of my ratings differences.

Me vs. Bayesian (-0.88 average difference on the 77 games I have rated that have nonzero Bayesians)
Star Trek Red Alert.............+1.71
Celebrities.....................+1.50
Gnostica........................+1.07
Lord of the Rings...............+0.99
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Tigris & Euphrates..............-2.65
Illuminati: Deluxe............ -2.69
Bang!...........................-2.88
Survive!........................-2.90


Me vs. BGG Average (-1.07 average difference on all 86 games I have rated)
Star Trek Red Alert.............+0.96
Lord of the Rings...............+0.91
Monopoly Junior - Dig 'N Dinos..+0.56
Settlers of Catan, The..........+0.23
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Oh Hell!........................-2.75
Illuminati: Deluxe.............-2.88
Bang!...........................-2.99
Survive!........................-3.14
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20. Board Game: Hex [Average Rating:6.76 Overall Rank:1513]
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Me: average of +0.259 for 82 ratings

Highest:
Gomoku +4.05
Cheat +3.90
Hex +3.25
Othello +2.97
Pylos +2.48
Quads +2.33
Go +2.09

Lowest:
Quarto -2.91
Diamant -2.91
Pachisi -2.37

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21. Board Game: Dschingis Khan: Bewegung an der Großen Mauer [Average Rating:5.08 Overall Rank:7210]
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Jesus Torres Castro: +2.00 average difference

This is the 'most generous' rater I am aware of (minimum 100 games not including expansions).

Ratings most different to BGG average:

+4.13 Dschingis Khan – Bewegung an der Großen Mauer
+3.86 King Arthur - Das Kartenspiel
+3.82 Gargon
+3.75 Im Auftrag des Königs
+3.74 Herr der Ringe, Der: die Gefährten das Kartenspiel
+3.56 Druids
+3.54 Lord of the Rings
+3.38 Maginor
+3.36 Villa Paletti
+3.26 Beowulf: The Legend

-0.13 Carolus Magnus
-0.32 Nuclear War
-0.42 Warhammer Quest
-1.09 Lord of the Rings - The Search
-1.59 Axis and Allies
-3.00 1936 Guerra Civil

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22. Board Game: Tycoon [Average Rating:6.89 Overall Rank:921]
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Andrew Fischer: -2.33 average difference

This is the harshest game rater I am aware of.

Ratings most different to BGG average:

+3.33 Tycoon
+2.42 Up Front
+1.56 Mac Robber
+1.38 Samurai
+0.85 Dschunke

-5.01 Lord of the Rings
-5.01 Showmanager
-5.03 Chinatown
-5.12 Atlantic Storm
-5.14 Camelot Legends
-5.15 Power Grid
-5.22 6-Tage Rennen
-5.28 Bucket King, The
-5.31 Bus
-5.38 10 Days in Africa
-5.39 Outpost
-5.44 Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation
-5.53 Funny Friends
-5.53 Ticket to Ride
-5.53 TransAmerica
-5.53 Twilight Imperium
-5.83 Starfarers of Catan
-5.89 More Cosmic Encounter
-5.90 Ta Yü
-5.91 Age of Steam
-5.98 Cosmic Encounter
-6.12 Liberté
-6.27 For Sale
-6.52 Dune
 
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23. Board Game: Memoir '44: Overlord [Average Rating:7.60 Unranked] [Average Rating:7.60 Unranked]
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I like the concept of the GeekList, but I think you are comparing the wrong numbers. It should be the straight-up BGG average, not the Bayesian as that filters in some noise. Plus, it returns any game with less than 30 votes as N/A (or 0 which means my 9 largest disparities fall into this category). So if I am doing this right, I am too generous. My average rating is +1.04.

Most generous:
Memoir '44: Overlord = +3.93
Cranium = +3.24
Mastermind = +2.84
Yspahan = +2.65
Pizza Box Football = +2.6
Carcassonne = +2.54
Memoir '44 = +2.37
Citadels = +2.21
Starfarers of Catan = +2.17
Carcassonne: The River = +2.16

Least generous:
Puerto Rico = -1.36
San Juan = -1.54
Apples to Apples = -1.65
Aggravation = -1.81
Yahtzee = -2.01
The Count of Carcassonne = -2.12
Carcassonne: The Mini Expansion = -2.66
War of the Ring = -2.84
Quiddler = -2.96
Mad Gab = -4.16

If we take the pure Average rating of each game, my generosity drops by over half: My average rating is +0.43. The largest disparities change slightly:

Most generous:
Cranium = +3.11
Mastermind = +2.8
Yspahan = +2.48
Carcassonne = +2.43
Pizza Box Football = +2.29
Memoir '44 = +2.27
Citadels = +2.12
Remote Possibilities = +2.1
Memoir '44: Overlord = +2.1
Carcassonne: The River = +2.04

Least generous:
Puerto Rico = -1.45
Aggravation = -1.59
San Juan = -1.61
Apples to Apples = -1.78
Yahtzee = -2.06
The Count of Carcassonne = -2.23
War of the Ring = -3
Quiddler = -3.15
Carcassonne: The Mini Expansion = -3.3
Mad Gab = -4.06

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I would only argue with you about War Of The Ring. Glad you enjoyed our game of Starfarers - it's my favorite Catan game too!
 
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24. Board Game: Lost Valley [Average Rating:6.91 Overall Rank:539]
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585 games rated also with BGG ratings
Average difference -0.71

Underrated Gems - They All Get 10s From Me:
1) Craps +4.68 (best casino game for action)
2) Zopp +4.03 (an outstanding, expensive, and difficult dexterity game)
3) Mogul +3.75 (great, quick little auction game)
4) 18EU +3.73 (best 18xx game, I need to get a copy)
5) Balderdash +3.73 (using just words/definitions it's my favorite party game)
6) High Bohn/High Bohn Plus +3.63/+3.59 (best Bohnanza expansion by miles)
7) Intrigue +3.59 (backstabbing goodness for 5 players - try it!)
8) Scrabble +3.56 (word game with no equal)
9) Get The Goods +3.56 (one of Moon's best)
10) Money +3.52 (awesome filler, easily worth the used prices)

Overrated Crap - They All Get 1s From Me:
10) Cosmic Cows -4.79 (cosmic cow manure)
9) Mancala -4.79 (yuckala)
8) Give Me The Brain -4.86 (i don't want the brain)
7) Al Cabohne -4.94 (al ca-bored)
6) Ka-Ching!/Combit -5.02 (ka-plop)
5) Fist Of Dragonstones -5.18 (fist of ennui)
4) Tongiaki -5.29 (Tongi-suck-i)
3) You're Bluffing -5.64 (somebody please kill me)
2) 7 Ages -5.80 (slow awful complicated neverending disaster)
1) Lost Valley -5.82 (i wish the lost valley would have stayed lost)
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Since you rate on a 4 point scale, (games are either a 10,7,4, or 1) I'm not surprised to see that you have a wide variance when compared to the 10 point scale that most raters use.
 
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25. Board Game: Hellas [Average Rating:6.27 Overall Rank:1306]
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Well, I'm a nasty guy I guess. My average difference: -1.4

Biggest Losers:

Hellas (-4.31) - I really dislike games that have a tug-of-war aspect. Hellas is just a big game of tug-of-war. On top of that, the nearly deterministic combat causes tons of number crunching. The card resolution has tons of ambiguity.

Saga (-3.89) - Did I mention how much I don't like tug-of-war? At least this one will end. Eventually. I just don't like investing that much in a battle nobody can win.


Biggest Winners:

Schotten-Totten (+2.28) - This is not tug of war. If I win a stone, you can't take it back. This is almost gaming perfection right here. Simple rules, but with engaging gameplay for the whole length of play.

Vegas Showdown (+2.13) - This is another solid hit. I love auctions and the theme is just gravy on this one. The limited choices keep it moving and the theme is a cohesive whole.

Gheos (+1.94) - Tons of Secret Santas gave it away last year. It looks like not many people were really overjoyed with it. It has a learning curve, and the chaos is palapable, but I just love it too much. I like all the ingenious moves you can make on your turn and how all the rules flow logically together.
 
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Good list and idea.

Interestingly though, one wonders what it really means to be a "tough" rater? Is it that you're a tough rater or that you've played a lot of crappy games that you don't like and aren't your style? There is a *huge* selection bias in taking the average, even some adjusted weighted average of the games someone rates. Taking my example, I don't order games I know I wouldn't like, like a lot of the children's games or cards games and whatnot... so I probably have quite high ratings. I'm not sure that says anything about me so much as it says something about my selection process for games. Someone who attends a ton of game groups, by contrast, and plays a ton of games out of their style may be much more likely to be a "harsh" rater despite the fact that they may be very generous if they acquired and played their games in the manner I do.

Anyway, as I said, just food for thought.
 
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steinley wrote:
An interesting alternative might be to calculate the average absolute difference. You could imagine rating half your games a 10 and half your games a 1 and then coming out close to zero under the current calculation (I know that this is not exact...just an example to illustrate the point).

Calculating the average absolute deviation then would tell you who the most extreme raters were.

When I did this, I came out to -21.02. Without any other data points, I have no idea if that is extreme or not.
 
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spearjr wrote:
steinley wrote:
An interesting alternative might be to calculate the average absolute difference. You could imagine rating half your games a 10 and half your games a 1 and then coming out close to zero under the current calculation (I know that this is not exact...just an example to illustrate the point).

Calculating the average absolute deviation then would tell you who the most extreme raters were.

When I did this, I came out to -21.02. Without any other data points, I have no idea if that is extreme or not.

Er ... you cannot have calculated the average anything, because it's mathematically impossible to differ by more than 9 per game.
 
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bwingrave wrote:
What is asked for here is the BGG rating, which is presumably not the BGG Average (see the quote above). So I'm comparing my rating for each game with the Bayesian? This seems like it could put games with few ratings in the database into the tails. What's the point of using the Bayesian over the BGG average?

I have to agree. The Bayseain Average is including the dummy votes which presumably has the average ratings for all games. It should have been the straight-up, unmodified BGG average as seen on the page of the actual game.

Not only that, any game you have ranked that has less than 30 votes is going to be horribly off because the Bayesian is going to show a 0-rating.
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Orcoteuthis wrote:
spearjr wrote:
steinley wrote:
An interesting alternative might be to calculate the average absolute difference. You could imagine rating half your games a 10 and half your games a 1 and then coming out close to zero under the current calculation (I know that this is not exact...just an example to illustrate the point).

Calculating the average absolute deviation then would tell you who the most extreme raters were.

When I did this, I came out to -21.02. Without any other data points, I have no idea if that is extreme or not.

Er ... you cannot have calculated the average anything, because it's mathematically impossible to differ by more than 9 per game.

Hmm.. I think I took the difference between my rating and the BGG average and summed the differences. So not the ABSOLUTE average. Oops.
 
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