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My wife (S.) and I had been enjoying Agricola, but recently we lent it to some friends. In its place, we bought Le Havre but S. can't sit through a game of it - she's claimed popping bubble-wrap is more entertaining. We've moved on from Carcassonne and have enjoyed a number of two-player games of Steam, but want something that plays a little faster. But what?

S. doesn't like games with open agression or where one side takes all. Risk is the classic example. My nabbing sheep and cooking them in Agricola after she builds fences is about as openly aggressive as she can take.

I prefer games rich in historical themes and I don't like abstracts (unless the theme is well woven in). And randomness should be kept to a minimum. I actually like Le Havre.

We both enjoy Puerto Rico, Imperial and Princes of Florence. And Louis XIV. But none of these make great two player games - and we have tried some of the 2-player variants but they just aren't as fun as playing these with four or more.

So if there are any recommendations for a great two-player game that plays in about an hour but also scales up for more than two-players and that we might like given our likes/dislikes, please post them here.

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1. Board Game: Cuba [Average Rating:7.36 Overall Rank:107]
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You situation sounds very similar to mine. I love Agricola, can take or leave Le Havre. We don't play aggressively or confrontationally unless it's a super short, light game (Doubles Wild, where we roll for the contested spot, and it's all luck anyway).

Cuba has beautiful artwork, great wooden bits, and individual player boards. You get your resources off your board, and the other person can't affect it. If you don't have water, it's because you blocked it or chose to take something else this round. It plays with 2 without a variant, and has an expansion newly out. Everyone has the same role cards to play every hand, the only thing that matters is the order you choose to play them, and all the buildings are out and available right from the start. The game changes by the order of the Acts in Parliament and the ships coming into harbor, but you can see those ahead and plan.

Pillars of the Earth would be another option. Great artwork, and an expansion available. Like your comment about Agricola, the main conflict would be if someone took the spot you wanted.

Candamir: The First Settlers is a Settlers game for two, but it's different than the others. You walk around, exploring and gathering items, then build things with those items. Minimal conflict with the other players. You can choose which direction you want to walk, and choose whether to try to fight the bear, or to succeed in a challenge. You build items (chest, swords) for VPs. As you build something, the next item to make changes, which makes it interesting. First one to place all their VP cubes wins.

The Settlers of Catan Card Game - I was really hesitant about this one, because I kept reading about all the conflict, but the great thing is that you can easily avoid cards you don't want to play (or even take them out of the deck). The base game is $16, the box of expansions is $16, and the new Artisans expansion is out (for $4.80). Might be a bit on the long side, but dollar for dollar, is an excellent value.

Phoenicia is one of the few auction/bidding games that works with two (Goa and Before the Wind being two others). I followed the recommendations and ignored the rulebook and learned it from the rules available here, and had a fine time. Again, minimal conflict - you can each try a strategy, and see who gets there first (my favorite kind of game). Found it on sale for $24 recently, so a good price.

Hope this helps. Take a look at my collection for more ideas, if you want, as I have such similar tastes to your wife.
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It should be noted that the Catan Card Game is 2-players only.
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We actually bought Cuba a few months ago after extensively researching it on BGG. In theory, it has everything we like but it just hasn't "clicked" for us.

Phoenicia looks interesting. Might fit the bill. Thanks!
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We recently tried this--I know, I know--it's super ugly, but WOW!! This is a fabulous game. It is very simple and easy to learn and play, but very engaging, strategic, and FUN!!!

One of our absolute favorites is Louis XIV. Having only played it 2-player, we really enjoy it!! I'm glad you like it too!

An overlooked gem, in my opinion, is Freight Train. Very simple, elegant, strategic, and with 3 "days" that find you slightly changing tactics each "day".

All these are multiplayer and have official 2-player rules included which are seamless and non-intrusive.

A lighter option would be Hey! That's My Fish!. It is also an abstract.

Good luck and let us know what you decide and how it goes.

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Given I was collecting Avalon Hill games back in the '70s, you'd think I'd have a copy of Acquire, but it just never appealed to me. I'll give it a second look however.

Never even heard of Freight Train before but the concept sounds interesting (I like train themes). We already have Alan Moon's more recent Ticket to Ride: The Card Game - Moon being an ex-Avalon Hill designer, I got it on a whim and since playing Ticket to Ride: Europe wish I'd spent a little more and got one with a board.

Thanks for the recommendations and I'll definitely post the "winner" once we decide.
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while i really like acquire, i can't recommend it for 2 players -- the way the majority/minority stock distribution is left up to chance is just too arbitrary.

however, for 3+, Acquire is an excellent lighter stock game.
3. Board Game: Notre Dame [Average Rating:7.48 Overall Rank:69]
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This game plays great with 2 players, as well as all numbers up to 5. There is only limited interaction in this game, each player plays worker to their own boards, and this of course also limits negative interaction. It has a historical theme and plays in around an hour with two players. I like it a lot actually.
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A friend has this one on his "to buy" list so we'll definitely borrow it from him when the time comes. :arrrh:

Thanks!
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We Like this a lot as a 2 player. Looking forward to the expansion too...
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Kingsburg is another game I've researched here on BGG. There's lots to recommend (great art and theme) but something has stopped me from actually getting it. Time for a second look, I suppose.

Thanks for posting.
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Personally I find it a bit boring. You can try the excellent pc version before you buy to see if you like it.
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With 2P there is not enough contention for the spaces. Make sure you play with the optional rule where you roll some of the non-player dice and block spaces before the players play. In fact I suggest you play with more of those non-player dice than recommended.
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Two to Four players that scales very well.
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I am eagerly awaiting the updated version of this one!
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Goa is on my wishlist. Like "megasycophant", I'm waiting for the reprint. Thanks!
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Not just a reprint though -- the designer's fine tuning it.

I would have recommended Jambo, one of my favorite games, also designed by Rudiger Dorn, but it's only a two-player. My girlfriend have I have gotten a lot of mileage out of that.
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Thoroughly agree -- Goa is great for the full spectrum of players, including 2!
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It sounds like San Juan would be a great fit for you and your wife, and it's relatively easy to teach to others. Shenomad and I are up to almost 100 plays in under 2 years.

There's a spectacular geeklist on this topic that I recommend:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/19346
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San Juan is a fun game but I've played it to death against the computer. It just wouldn't be fair to S. if I brought it to the table. Would it? :whistle:

Thanks for the other geeklist. Very informative.
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If you enjoyed Louis XIV but didn't enjoy the 2-player variant try Mykerinos. Each player does get some neutral cubes to play, but their use is quite tactical.
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Another one I've never looked at. Will have to take a look at it, thanks!
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Indigopotter recommended Candamir: The First Settlers, but I would recommend Elasund: The First City of Catan. The game will probably last a bit longer than your desired 1 hour time, but they game scales wonderfully from 2 - 4. The board is scaled in size to keep the battle for prime real estate tight. My wife and I have had some epic battles back and forth.

Edit: Rereading your intro the conflict in Elasund might be a concern. The game is definately aggressive as you can build over your oppenent's buildings and use their building permits. My wife does not have a problem with this at all, but their have been session reports where partners haven't been so receptive to this type of interaction.
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The whole Catan series are out. After being a gateway game to Euro's for us, it's become a bit of a four letter word in our household. :what:
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The whole Catan series are out. After being a gateway game to Euro's for us, it's become a bit of a four letter word in our household. :what:

And that might be the reason why this really good game went a bit unnoticed. It has a feel of Catan but it has more conflict, the luck of dice rolling is significantly smaller, it's a great little game.
9. Board Game: Pandemic [Average Rating:7.74 Overall Rank:22]
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My husband and I love playing Pandemic on our own or in a group. You can scale the difficulty level by changing the number of epidemics, so as you get better at the game, the game gets tougher.

I like it because of the cooperative element. I'm not fond of games in which you have to be overly aggressive either, so Pandemic is right up my alley!
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Mentioned this one to S. last night. She seemed genuinely interested. Myself? I'm not so sure I want her to experience cooperative play - she might like it and it's bad enough that I have to give up direct competition to get her to the table. Worse, some of our female friends might want to play it as well. It'll be good bye Steam, good bye Imperial.

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Somebody stole my first choice (Goa) so I will go with this....
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Someone stole this, my first choice. Wife and I have 300+ plays in.
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Just doesn't grab me. Something about the art/sci-fi theme. But thanks for the recommendation.
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Plays 2-4, best with 2 or 3. You and your SO clearly like heavy games with lots of theme, and this one has both strategic possibility and flavor in spades!
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This game is another one I initially disregarded but am looking at a second time. S. and I played Civilization a few times back in the '90s and would still play it today if it didn't require 8+ hours. So when I read the reviews on this one, I thought it might be "Civ Lite". But where the [:whistle:] is the map?!?

I'm beginning to get over the idea that a civilization game has to have a map (and S. probably doesn't care so long as the game is more interesting than popping bubble wrap). So it's on the "possible" list. Just need a little more of a sales pitch. ;)
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My wife and I have played a lot of this. It is a faster game that what you're looking for, but it's easy to play for a few hands. There is very little downtime. There is player interaction, but no direct take-that warfare.
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Another one on the "maybe" list. We actually played a three player game on BSW a few months back and S. has since mentioned it in passing. (If she remembers a game, that's usually a good thing.)
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yes, it's ugly, but the gameplay is superb. Check out ender's amazing review on this game. you know the game's gotta be excellent when its so ugly but still rated so highly.


my wife likes it quite a bit.
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It is butt ugly, but I'll read a few reviews. Thanks.
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After doing some more research on BBG on the games recommended above and some others, I'm wondering about Caylus. It sounds like a good two player but maybe a bit ruthless...? Yes/no?
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You may want to consider Caylus Magna Carta as well.
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This list wouldn't be complete without this gem... works very well for two, and it's inexpensive to boot. Well worth having in the collection, not only for two, but for up to seven. Enjoy!
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Just a little follow up. We got Agricola back last weekend so the hunt to find a new game is not as much of a priority as it was a few weeks ago - which is probably a good thing because all my BGG research has given me is a bunch of 3+ player games that I'm interested in and very few 2+ games.
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A bit of a cop out, but I went with Caylus, the premium version, because I got suckered by the medieval artwork and metal coins. :blush:

That said, it still hasn't hit the table so I have no opinion as to whether it will fit the bill as a worthy successor/alternate for Agricola.

Thank you all for your recommendations. And who knows, in a month or two when I get the bug for a new game (or two), one might end up on the order form.
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You know it's a good game when your wife soundly thrashes you twice and you're eager to play again. (That or you're a masochist.) :shake:
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Stone age works very well for 2 players. I've played several games of this and it is for 2-4 players.
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Someday we will probably pick this one up just because we both seem to enjoy worker placement games (and I just love the artwork of this game).
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Should anyone stumble on this list in the future, my wife and I have added At the Gates of Loyang to our collection and it's exactly what we had in mind when we wanted a game that plays great for two (or more).
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Glad to hear it. I'm subscribed to your list for just this kinda info. Hope to pick this up soon to play with my lady friend (and probably the kids too?)
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I think Loyang would work with school-aged kids. Understanding what the helper cards do is probably the most difficult aspect of the game. But other than that, it really isn't that difficult to learn.
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Here's another game in our collection that works well as a two-player game but scales up to four. Only played it once with two at this point, but it works. And compared to At the Gates of Loyang, it plays relatively fast (under an hour and a half and probably closer to an hour once we play it a few more times).
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