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The following happened to one of my geekbuddies, as he was driving in from Canada. At least he didn't get pistol whipped!
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Drive from Calgary to Vancouver, with wife and dog.
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That's almost what I did! Whilst on a trip through Canada we went to Niagara Falls. It was there that my girlfriend and I decided to return to Montreal through New York State instead of through Canada.

Man... the guard there did not like it when we had no idea where we would be staying. He was also pissed because we had the tickets to fly from Montreal on the bottom of our suitcases. He also did not like it when I didn't exactly know the names of all of the places we wanted to see, etc. I told him that:

a) We decided on a whim to go through the US.
b) Our entire plan was to just drive in the general direction of Albany and then back up to Montreal, visiting the nicer places on the way.
c) That I was happy to point out the mountainrange we wanted to see north of Albany on a map , but I couldn't remember the name (obviously 'Adirondack' is a very easy name to remember correctly when you've seen it exactly once on a map).
c) We're Europeans. We are not used to be interrogated at borders and as such we do not have an entire schedule of where to go and where to stay and we didn't think we'd need our tickets until we actually were at the airport of Montreal.

I also thought it was very funny you had to answer a lot of stupid questions on a form. For example: "Are you a planning on engaging in any terrorist activities in the US. Yes/No". I mean, do they expect someone to cross the 'Yes' option because 'it's the honorable thing to do'?
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I once spent several hours being detained at gunpoint at Marco Polo (iirc) Airport by Italian authorities.


They were probably dicking with you just to stick it to an American. Just be glad you're not in this poor girl's situation, lost to an Italian kangaroo court. http://abcnews.go.com/International/US/story?id=8118652&page...


While they DO take their sweet time, there is nothing in this news item that suggests they are innocent, merely that the police screwed up evidence (Which increases the chance that they'll go free, even if they did it, not vice versa).
I share your doubt about the Italian legal system, but this news item, again, suggests in no way that Ms Knox is just a "poor girl" being harassed by the Italian government for no other reason than the fact she's an American. Italy isn't some 1970's communist satelite state.
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I also thought it was very funny you had to answer a lot of stupid questions on a form. For example: "Are you a planning on engaging in any terrorist activities in the US. Yes/No". I mean, do they expect someone to cross the 'Yes' option because 'it's the honorable thing to do'?


When Australians go to America we like to tick yes, then cross it out and tick no.
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Matthias_K wrote:

I also thought it was very funny you had to answer a lot of stupid questions on a form. For example: "Are you a planning on engaging in any terrorist activities in the US. Yes/No". I mean, do they expect someone to cross the 'Yes' option because 'it's the honorable thing to do'?


When Australians go to America we like to tick yes, then cross it out and tick no.


Talking to the borderguard I noticed a complete void where a normal person's sense of humour would be. Unless you've got lots of hours to kill, I would not recommend you do this.
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Going into the USSR in '89, they gave us one of those cards. It included the question
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Are you bringing any illegal weapons into the People's Republic? YES/NO

We asked about the consequences of the answer, and the guard was only too happy to inform us that if we answered YES, they'd take the weapons and put us on the first plane/train/bus going out of the Motherland. If we answered NO, but were found to be carrying, we'd be arrested & tried under Soviet laws, and if found guilty, sentenced to a Soviet prison.

Incidentally, that same guard found some undeclared cash I was hiding in my bags. I thought I was screwed until he also found the buttons I'd brought for trading. He saw a couple he liked and I told him to go ahead. Then he smiled and told me to go ahead.
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Pack carrots, brocolli and fruits for a picnic.
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Ah. That explains it. Vegans.
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Lucky for you that you didn't try to smuggle those undocumented agricultural products into California. They get really touchy about stiff like that at the state border.
 
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Notice that the main border crossing is crowded, so go to Cloverdale (near Langley, British Columbia).
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Cloverdale, Chris..
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Another customs officer shows up. Get asked if you have a protection order against you.
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Reply, "Not that I know of".
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Great story, but I'm trying to figure out why you used this game. Was he being witty with that reply?


Yeah, the way he told the story, he was trying to be funny when answering the question. When creating the geeklist, I thought of your game, which I am looking forward to playing.
 
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Norbert Chan wrote:
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Great story, but I'm trying to figure out why you used this game. Was he being witty with that reply?


Yeah, the way he told the story, he was trying to be funny when answering the question.

Probably the straw that broke the camel's back. The guards 100% overreacted (but the yanks do live in a culture of fear and love their guns), but it's common sense to never, ever try to be funny with border guards.
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tommynomad wrote:
Norbert Chan wrote:
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Great story, but I'm trying to figure out why you used this game. Was he being witty with that reply?


Yeah, the way he told the story, he was trying to be funny when answering the question.

Probably the straw that broke the camel's back. The guards 100% overreacted (but the yanks do live in a culture of fear and love their guns), but it's common sense to never, ever try to be funny with border guards.


Often "Not that I know of" is something someone says who doesn't want to lie but doesn't want to admit something either. Most people are bad liars, especially to law enforcement. Often, not always, someone says "Not that I know of" so they don't get in trouble by admitting what they've done wrong but at the same time don't get in trouble for lying.

For example:
Police Officer: "Do you have any drugs in the car?"
Driver of car that reeks of marijuana: "Not that I know of"
Police Officer: "Can I look?"
Driver of car that reeks of marijuana: "Ummm, Ok"
ten seconds later
Police: "Whose marijuana is this, that I just found under the seat?"
DOCTROM: "It's not mine, I didn't know it was there."

So when some says "Not that I know of" most law enforcement officer's ears perk up.

p.s. That example is not fiction, it's paraphrased and shortened, but it's happened, more than once.
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>but the yanks do live in a culture of fear and love their guns
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To the contrary: as long as we have our guns, we have nothing to fear.
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Wife, who is holding dog, (a skittish Sheltie) is asked to put hands on dashboard.
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Wife yells back at customs officer, "I'm trying!" since dog is moving about.
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Note wife's response to an officer of the law, for future reference.
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Also, at this point, everyone lining up at the border crossing are craning their necks to see the patrolmen deal with a "criminal".
 
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Boy, those guys with guns and protections sure raise your anxiety!

I was coming back from central america with my family, when one of our bags was missing. We went to the customs desk, and the agent said "just a minute", and then two armed guards came and asked for my name. I was escorted down a hall, and into a room that had 4 armed and padded officers in the corner, and my bag in the middle.

"Is that your bag?"

"I think so" (or should I say no now and run?)

"Would you open it pleased?"

Umm, Gulp, "OK"

I touch the bag, and it is vibrating!!!!

Apparently, the electric toothbrush had bumped something when it was being unloaded, and was rattling against the side. When a baggage handler felt the vibration, they called the bomb squad!

All in all, the event went well, but has made me very careful about packing.

On the "no joking" front, I have to admit that jokes are not tolerated. My great-grandmother caused us an extra 15 minutes of searching and checking when she told the border guard that she "always wanted to see Castro!". She was joking at how they carefully searched her wheelchair, as she was an 80+ year stroke victim who clearly could not be harmful. Afterwards she said "they sure can't take a joke!"

Bon voyage!
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Wife is asked if husband threatened her in any way, or if she put out a protection order against her husband.
 
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She was in the CAR with him. How retarded are these border guards!


I don't think you understand domestic violence. It was a reasonable question.
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I did not (and will not except on minor technical points) cite Wikipedia. However, if you follow the sources provided you will unfortunately find that males are more systematic in their violence.

Here is "one stop shopping" for better data: http://www.springerlink.com/content/104903/?p=5df09b3b426847...Ï€=0 Here is a good launching point search: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gender+differences+in+v...

There are two "modalities" of violence. Acute violence is "one off" violence. You can think of it as "the straw that broke the camels back" outbursts. Both men and women suffer from these situations (men more so, but women's actions tend to be more drastic... most female murders of males come from this pool).

Chronic violence is the "systematic" violence. Two of the major accepted causes are "violence as a method of control" and "violent personal tendencies". Sadly, both of these are highly predominate in males and relatively rare in females.

Does this make males "evil"? I don't subscribe to tarring and feathering all males based on the actions of a few. Does this make males "systematic in violence". Yes.

I suspect if women were the "dominate" gender that the situation *might* be reversed, but Western culture has not yet even reached parity in the roles of males and females, especially among the poor (where, not unexpectedly, violence is most common). Additionally, there are plenty of studies where women and men are given various problem resolutions to choose from. Men gravitate towards violent solutions, while women shy away from them even if they are worded in a way that makes it clear that any lesser solution will fail.

I hate to be the bringer of bad news: men and women are different on the inside as well as the outside. Contrary to the touchy-feelie attempts to feel better about modern society... we don't actually measure up to our dreams of a better culture. We are not "the same".

Worse, those who wish to close their eyes to the data are enablers. They prevent actual progress from being made by saying "but it just isn't that bad, let's work on something else". They claim that women "deserve what they get" because they didn't "get out of the situation" (not your comment, but clearly the intention of the earlier poster). They give societal weight to the violent, excusing their action, rather than be holding accountable those who lash out.

It sounds like you don't support violence and are angry that I would suggest that you do. Just realize that by trying to pretend that men and women act the same in similar situations that solutions to the problem are taken off the table.

From here I must take leave: I have hit my self imposed limit of 3 posts to any one thread. My goat has been gotten... now I must go get a new goat.
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You could have actually read the article instead of used word-match search, which would have led you to this:

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Women were also three times more likely to fear for their life, and twice as likely to be the targets of more than 10 violent episodes.
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Other than that, I'm done with this. If you want to blame the victim, feel free.
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I did not (and will not except on minor technical points) cite Wikipedia. However, if you follow the sources provided you will unfortunately find that males are more systematic in their violence.

Here is "one stop shopping" for better data: http://www.springerlink.com/content/104903/?p=5df09b3b426847...Ï€=0

There are two "modalities" of violence. Acute violence is "one off" violence. You can think of it as "the straw that broke the camels back" outbursts. Both men and women suffer from these situations (men more so, but women's actions tend to be more drastic... most female murders of males come from this pool).

Chronic violence is the "systematic" violence. Two of the major accepted causes are "violence as a method of control" and "violent personal tendencies". Sadly, both of these are highly predominate in males and relatively rare in females.

Thank you, that was what I was asking for, it appears that I was indeed overly hasty in my criticizing this point.

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I hate to be the bringer of bad news: men and women are different on the inside as well as the outside. Contrary to the touchy-feelie attempts to feel better about modern society... we don't actually measure up to our dreams of a better culture. We are not "the same".

I agree and know, and honestly I don't see why we have to BE the same, I prefer real women, but being a woman and being weak don't have to be the same, I have known weak men and weak women, and both were only held back by themselves, and I have known strong men and strong women, and it wasn't unnatural for any of those. (Yes, there are "strong" women that seem like they're just acting, but that's only because for some reason people think "strong woman" and "mysandrist" are interchangeable)

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Worse, those who wish to close their eyes to the data are enablers. They prevent actual progress from being made by saying "but it just isn't that bad, let's work on something else". They claim that women "deserve what they get" because they didn't "get out of the situation" (not your comment, but clearly the intention of the earlier poster). They give societal weight to the violent, excusing their action, rather than be holding accountable those who lash out.

I thank you for the distinction and for actually reading my post (though some prefer a different tactic) before answering it. I certainly don't suggest not doing anything about domestic violence or ignoring available information. But one thing I have to say (And that's both from many, many accounts I heard over the years, again, my mother used to be in that line of work and one particularly bitter -for me- story I was -more or less as a powerless observer- indirectly involved in): If people care about you and want to help you, and you are in that situation, and friends and family and who knows who else support you and give you every opportunity to pack your bags and leave, and still you stay with someone who hurts you, and instead of doing the one -the right- thing that is made so incredibly easy to you, you remain passive. Then yes, yes in that case you DO deserve what you get, because THEN it's obviously what you really want, somewhere deep down, and nobody has a right to stop you, just because we think you're insane.

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It sounds like you don't support violence and are angry that I would suggest that you do. Just realize that by trying to pretend that men and women act the same in similar situations that solutions to the problem are taken off the table.


It was not my intention to pretend that, I just feel that even when our ways are different, that doesn't mean one side is inherently weak (or has a "right" to weakness), I don't care which way people are strong, and I don't expect them to be strong all the time, they just have to realize WHEN to be strong, that's all I'm asking, and I still feel that women have the same capacities in that regard (Not as in "they are the same" but "they can be just as strong"). You can be soft spoken and friendly, warm and understanding, and still firm as a rock when you have to (Actually, that's the way I like 'em best, rare as they are). I realize the sad truth that very few people are truly strong. I just think that we should discourage those who would hide behind their weakness, at least if encouraging them to try and find their strength doesn't work.

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From here I must take leave: I have hit my self imposed limit of 3 posts to any one thread. My goat has been gotten... now I must go get a new goat.

Good luck with your new goat
I am sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention.
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All very interesting, I'm sure, but not the concern of border guards. They're more interested in intimidation.
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17. Board Game: Sleuth [Average Rating:6.78 Overall Rank:640]
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Get debrief. There is an American, with exact name and birthdate, who is considered armed and dangerous. Consider telling authorities that you are Canadian, but decide now is not the time.
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Can't be too careful. Those skittish Shelties can go off JUST LIKE THAT. laugh
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No, no no no. No, no. No, sir. I don't know what kinda vibe you think got off me but I don't play that way. I'm not that way!
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My father once was stopped and questioned by police after leaving a strip club. They asked where he had just come from. Not wanting to say he just left a strip club, he named a specific gas station. Unbeknownst to him, he had been stopped specifically because a man in a car the same model and color as his had just robbed that specific gas station.
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nousernameneeded wrote:
My father once was stopped and questioned by police after leaving a strip club. They asked where he had just come from. Not wanting to say he just left a strip club, he named a specific gas station. Unbeknownst to him, he had been stopped specifically because a man in a car the same model and color as his had just robbed that specific gas station.


See, white lies can come back to bite you in ass !
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No, no no no. No, no. No, sir. I don't know what kinda vibe you think got off me but I don't play that way. I'm not that way!
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See, white lies can come back to bite you in ass !


Indeed. Instead of having his name taken down and being on his way, he had to be arrested, bailed out, and then return to not be identified as the robber by the victim.
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Wait, you're THE Norbert Chan, accused of raping and murdering twelve prostitutes?
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18. Board Game: Dora the Explorer - Picnic Fiesta [Average Rating:2.50 Unranked]
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Continue on to picnic, noting that contents in cooler did not spoil, and dog did not bark during the whole episode.
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Good dog!
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Wow, really? My "skittish sheltie" would've lost his damn mind barking so much.
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19. Board Game: Interstate Highway [Average Rating:4.50 Unranked]
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While this doesn't involve crossing the U.S> Border, it does involve a "Border Checkpoint" that is (iirc) 100 miles or so inside the US, on I-10, an interstate highway that doesn't cross any national borders.

Driving to Lackland AFB TX for one of my Security Forces (Military Police) courses, I discovered that there is a U.S. "Border" Checkpoint on interstate 10, many, many miles away from the Mexican Border.

At the checkpoint, I was stopped and showed the Border Patrolman my license and registration. He asked if I had been to Mexico, or if I had picked up any passengers. I politely told him that I had not. He then asked me "Where are you traveling from, what is your destination, and what is the purpose of your trip?" (this was not a conversational "Been on the road long?" or "Having a nice trip?" kind of question). I politely asked why he needed to know. He did the hip-shift, hand on firearm "I mean business" thing, and asked if I wanted to be sit on the pavement with my hands on my head while my vehicle was searched.
My response (smart ass that I am) was to point to the service uniform hanging in my backseat and to reply "I am a United States Air Force Security Forces member, traveling from my home station in California, where I serve to ensure that Americans are free - including the freedom to travel within their own nation - I am traveling on military orders to Lackland Air Force Base in Texas (and showed him my TDY orders), and I don't really understand why I am compelled to explain this to you, but hope you are satisfied. May I continue on my way now, or do I need to speak to your supervisor?"
After a few moments, and with a shocked expression on his face, he waved me along, telling me to "have a safe trip".

Returning from that same school, a few weeks after 9-11, I came into the same "Border" Checkpoint (from the other direction) and saw a Sikh family sitting on the pavement as the Border Patrol agents were taking everything out of their car. They were even making the father unwrap his turban (think of the film "Inside Man" here). When I was being checked by the Border Patrolman, I gave them my military ID, orders, DL, registration, and again had my uniform (with shield) hanging in the rear window, so wasn't being given any crap. I asked what that was all about. "Terror suspects - Arab rag-heads." he told me. "You know that they are Sikhs, from India, don't you? They aren't Arabic, and historically, the Sikhs and Muslims fight each other. Did they do anything suspicious, or just show up looking different?" His response was to ask "What do you care?", I told him "You guys are embarrassing me. This is America, we're supposed to treat people better than that. I understand that you guys are doing your job, the best you know how, but cop to cop, I'm just saying it's not very professional - it's pure ignorance and racism." at which point he told me to be on my way.

Both of these Border Patrolmen were in their early 20s. One was Caucasian, one was Hispanic. Both seemed like they probably grew up in the local area, with the limited mindset that comes with spending your life in one community and never having your prejudices challenged by real world experiences. In both cases, I took things as far as I felt that I could without ending up in handcuffs. I hope that I at least made these two guys think about how they were using their power, and how they were treating people.

My other interactions with U.S. customs and Border security have all been positive. This one little inbred and ignorant group of bullies just pissed me off both times I've dealt with them. However, I did follow the rules for interacting with armed law enforcement officials:
I addressed them politely, and as respectfully as possible.
I complied with what they asked me to do - even if I asked them why they wanted me to do it.
I did not scream at or threaten them.
I had a clear idea of where the "handcuff" line was, and didn't cross it.
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I wonder if they were the same agents that tazered this pastor:



What really got to me was the smile on the agent's face.
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jkweiss2 wrote:
At the true border the Border Patrol is permitted to search for any or no reason, however at the inland checkpoint, such as on I-10 East of El Paso they are only permitted to search on the usual suspicion grounds that they could anywhere else.


Although they do go "fishing" to try to find something that they can call suspicious.

Once, in Georgia, I was pulled over by a Deputy for speeding. It was late at night, I was on my way home from a date,and had to get up early the next morning.
I was polite and courteous through the ticket-writing process until he asked me "do you mind if I look in your trunk?"
I told him that, although I had nothing to hide, I wanted to get home and get some sleep, so I would not give voluntary consent to him searching my vehicle. I then asked why he wanted to look there - what he suspected, and what he expected to find.

His only cause for suspicion was that I didn't casually surrender my 4th Amendment rights. So he had me get out of my car, and stand by the dark side of the highway while we waited for his supervisor/backup to arrive for the big search.

When he arrived, I told the supervisor that he had been fishing for permission to search my trunk, and was unable to give me any justification for wanting to search - other than to waste more of my time. He told his supervisor something along the lines of "He must be hiding something, or he would've let me search the trunk." His supervisor convinced him that this was a bad idea, and would end up with him in a lot of hot water.

This is the kind of stupid BS power trip that gives other cops a bad name.
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Man. Them cops with their Tasers. More and more, they're becomming like these guys...

 
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I asked what that was all about. "Terror suspects - Arab rag-heads." he told me.

The only thing I hate more than racists are racists who assume I'm one of them just because I'm a white guy. I remember being in a Waffle House and a waitress was pissed because a black family didn't tip her very well, then I had to hear her and one of the redneck customers go back and forth about "that's how their people are" right in front of me. Nevermind that it was the filthiest place I've ever eaten in and the service was terrible, that couldn't be the reason they didn't tip.
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They were even making the father unwrap his turban (think of the film "Inside Man" here). When I was being checked by the Border Patrolman, I gave them my military ID, orders, DL, registration, and again had my uniform (with shield) hanging in the rear window, so wasn't being given any crap. I asked what that was all about. "Terror suspects - Arab rag-heads." he told me.


Forcing a Sikh to unwrap his turban is just low. What do they expect? Him having a bomb in his hat? Have they watched too many cartoons?

I am glad that the cops never figured out I was half Arab when I was living in the States. One of my French collueges who was born in Algeria but was a rich, white boy with no other Arab connectiosn apart from that, is forced to always take one to two hours extra when he takes a plane. Every time they have to take him aside and search and question him.Every single time... He is a European who moved to America to live the American Dream. These searches do more harm then that they prevent bad stuff.
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20. Board Game: Good Question! [Average Rating:5.82 Overall Rank:5477]
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Last year my 19 year old daughter flew to Alabama to stay for three months at a Christian camp. It was her first flight alone and the second time flying in her life. She is a quiet, not outspoken girl. She was taken into a back room and interrogated. She was not only questioned but threatened repeatedly to be deported and never allowed to come to the U.S. again. She almost missed her next flight. She had no idea what she said or did wrong.

Here is a picture of her. She looks just like the type to spend 3 months at a terrorist camp, doesn't she? (as I am sure there must be so many that you can just go to.) Maybe it was the frog. I think she had him along, too. Yeah, that must have been it!

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On the other hand, my wife and I and our kids including this same daughter have had a number of experiences going into the U.S. with very friendly border guards.
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Jooky wrote:
I understand your concern and frustration that she does not look like a terrorist, but really, what does a terrorist look like? Timothy McVeigh didn't look like a terrorist either.


I may not know what a terrorist looks like, but I know what one doesn't look like. They don't look like 75 year old women, selected for extra security screening because they bought a one-way ticket instead of round trip. They don't look like 19 year old girls on their way to Christian camp.
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i agree, Kermit looks suspicious!!
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Jooky wrote:
I understand your concern and frustration that she does not look like a terrorist, but really, what does a terrorist look like? Timothy McVeigh didn't look like a terrorist either.


Who was American, right? And I don't suppose the border guards give you much hassle when you're a soldier returning from the Gulf War, which seems to be one of the few times leaving the country.

It's that whole 'innocent until proven guilty' that seems to get thrown out the window that bothers me. Catching terrorists is important, but if we lose the freedoms that our forefathers fought for in trying to do so...

It's a matter of finding that balance betweening making sure bad things don't happen, and not paralyzing ourselves with fear that bad things might happen, I think.

Also, I've always wondered what the U.S. would be like if they got an actual left wing party like the NDP are up here.
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A 19 year old traveling to a foreign religious camp sounds exactly like a terrorist to me.



By the way, the Frog looks completely stoned.
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21. Board Game: Go [Average Rating:7.78 Overall Rank:44]
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I've had guns pointed at me several times because of glass Go
stones in wooden bowls in my carry on luggage. Apparently
on an X-ray they look really suspicious.

"Sir, there are two dense spherical masses in your carry on luggage.
Could you explain what they are?" and similar.

I've never been handcuffed or taken anywhere, though. I've
opened my bag, shown them the bowls and stones, and explained
what they are. One agent once asked me if he could break a stone
open to check that it really was made of glass and I said no.
It was not taken any further.

If I see people heading towards me looking worried just
after X-ray I now _expect_ it to be this.
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>I've had guns pointed at me several times

I think you doth protest too much.

If they thought you had an expedient Claymore in your bag, going to guns is not unreasonable, but they would take you to a secure area and NOT allow you to handle the bag to show it to them.
 
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"protest too much"? you think I'm making it up?
what am I supposed to say? It was probably only
one gun each time as far as I recall, if that's
what you mean.

I think at one point this had happened 3 times out of 4
during two return flights to the same place. well, "this"
being the "something suspicious on x-ray" bit. guns i think
at most twice total, ever, but

The first time I asked why I had to open the bag and they said I
had to in case it was trapped or contaminated or had blades hidden in
it or some such thing. (neither end of these flights was in the US,
in case it makes a difference). Anyway, I continue to take
my go stones in carry-on luggage but I now have my "routine"
down pat if they are reacted to badly.
 
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Wow!
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Mexico, not being a functional democracy, does not allow citizens to own any firearms defined as using "military caliber" ammunition. So their "serfs" are at the mercy of criminals of all persuasions -- both government-authorized and independant.

The pot calling the kettle black

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They treated you like a criminal? Really? Handcuffed you and locked you behind bars?
Or, are you actually saying that you felt that they didn't take your visa request seriously?
If so, could that be due to the many people who enter the U.S. on temporary visas, and then remain after they are supposed to return to their home country?


American patriots to the rescue ...
 
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Despite the squabbles, I'm sure every poster can agree that the incident (and others like it) are rather sad. More in common, right???

Good Gaming~! Mick
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What?????? They let you bring that stuff into the U.S.????? wow

Shocking to say the least.....

On the way to Origins this year, I had my apples and oranges confiscated and thrown in the bin at U.S. Customs. They indicated that if the fruit had been from California, they would have let it in, but as it didn't have any stickers on it (!!!) to indicate where it was produced they couldn't let it in -- the most mysterious comment of all was that the fruit *might* have been from Florida (!!!!!!) in which case they *really* could not let it into the U.S......

Very strange.....

Robin

Not that strange: many states have very strict rules about transporting uninspected plant and agricultural material across their borders to prevent the spread of crop affecting pests and pathogens. Multi-billion dollar industries are at stake. Of course they are violated all the time -- deliberately or unwittingly.


Not just the US - Australian states also place restrictions on fresh fruits and vegetables coming in from other Australian states.
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Please refrain from making political statements in geeklists or forums other than the designated Religion, Sex, and Politics forum. This discussion is welcome to be continued in a RSP thread on the topic if anyone cares to make it.

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