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I made my name so to speak on BGG by writing historical geeklists. However, I feel the time has come to move onto to other activities. Still, there are some topics I wish to write about that, I'll probably never publish in a professional or popular way. So I'll publish them here.

Over this year I'll be publishing a series of geeklists. My first two will cover two military organizations that failed, and have fascinated me for years. The first one I offer you is the Imperial Japanese Navy, a fearsome force that entered World War II as masters of the seas, only to lose everything. Few nations have lost such a massive fleet in such a short amount of time. Even fewer have seen such a cataclysmic fall.
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Origins of a Fleet

Japan has a long naval tradition, tied to her position as an island nation that relied upon her generous fisheries. Her pirates were legendary in their day, and before 1640 Japanese nobles and shoguns kept large fleets that incorporated both western and eastern ideas. Japan itself oscillated between mainland contact and isolation, but the later was never as total as one might expect. Even after the expulsion of European contacts starting in 1640, which included the end of her fleet, the Dutch were still allowed to remain at Dejima. The result was that the Japanese avoided European penetration while still having knowledge of Europe's great leap forward in science and technology. By the 1840s Japan was once again building a war fleet. Then came Commodore Matthew Perry, who's steamships overawed the Japanese and forced them to sigh a trade contract with America. The shock was sudden and complete. Japan's rulers now sought to avoid the fate of every other Asian country outside of Thailand: European supremacy. A great modernization program began, including the construction of a navy. At first the Japanese drew assistance from the Dutch.

In 1868 the Meiji restoration was all but complete, and the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) came into formal existence in 1869. It was at this time a small and struggling force, but the Japanese sought to emulate the finest navy in the world: Britain. Dutch and French assistance were turned down, and the British supported Japanese naval development with experts and some meager resources. Although mainly a coastal defense force, the IJN intervened in local affairs in Korea and Taiwan. However, the army, modeling itself on the recently victorious Prussians, received the lion share's of resources. Also, relations with Britain strained over Japanese ambitions in China, and in the 1880s the IJN favored French doctrine and assistance, which emphasized faster warships. Even the legendary ship designer Emile Bertin offered direct assistance. This led to a Japanese emphasis upon torpedoes. The first test of the IJN came in the Sino-Japanese War, which saw the navy destroy its Chinese counterpart at the Yalu River. However, it also showed the weakness of Japan's French influence, and the need for larger and more powerful warships. The Japanese returned to using British expertise, the result being that by 1904 Japan had a large fleet that combined the best of both the French and British schools.

The Russo-Japanese War started with a surprise attack upon Port Arthur, Russia's Pacific naval base. The battle was a clear Japanese victory, and shocked a world where European superiority was not merely a given, but appeared to be ordained by god, nature, and empire. Tsar Nicholas II now sent a large fleet to intervene while shipping more soldiers east. By 1905 the Japanese army had triumphed in brutal fighting, culminating at Mukden. Soon after, at the straits of Tsushima, the Russian fleet was destroyed. The victory was as decisive as it was lopsided. It was the triumph of a mixed doctrine, as Japan's advantage in both smaller torpedo attack ships and battleships with large batteries won the day. Japan was now an empire to be feared. Yet the myth of European superiority would live on, with disastrous consequences in 1941.

The Battle of Tsushima
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My understanding is that there were English advisors aboard many of the Japanese ships during the battle...

It's also interesting to note that the battle was won less through superior Japanese tactics, or ships, than it was by logistics and superior strategy. The Russians didn't have the range to steam east of Japan and so were forced into the Tsushima Straits - perfect for an ambush fleet to lie in wait against a foe who doesn't have the fuel for an engagement. Very clever.
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Be that as it may, and it is debatable, you can't be incompetent in order to achieve those kind of results.


Well the Japanese weren't, but the undoubted incompetence of the Russians must have helped the outcome.

On their way to the Pacific, they nearly managed to start a shootout with the Royal Navy by firing on British fishing boats that they thought were Japanese torpedo boats. Even when attacking the unarmed boats, they still managed to suffer fatal casualties themselves. shake


I found out about that incident when watching Fall of Eagles.

So how did they lose men?

It is practically an old adage in warfare: most great victories are achieved against an incompetent and/or weak opponent.

Well except for the Sea Devils. The Doctor had a worthy foe there.
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gittes wrote:
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Be that as it may, and it is debatable, you can't be incompetent in order to achieve those kind of results.


Well the Japanese weren't, but the undoubted incompetence of the Russians must have helped the outcome.

On their way to the Pacific, they nearly managed to start a shootout with the Royal Navy by firing on British fishing boats that they thought were Japanese torpedo boats. Even when attacking the unarmed boats, they still managed to suffer fatal casualties themselves. shake


I found out about that incident when watching Fall of Eagles.

So how did they lose men?


Friendly fire in one instance when one of their own cruisers turned up a bit late and was apparently assumed to be Japanese and fired upon - the chaplain was mortally wounded and the ship suffered some damage.

There is an interesting description of the action from the Russian side here

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The Aurora's chaplain had his hand torn off. They asked permission to call at the nearest port in order to send him to hospital. The admiral refused. Six different projectiles struck the Aurora, whose side and funnels were pierced. Comparatively few were injured. The Aurora is to blame for having shown herself on the horizon, on the side away from us.


The other casualty was apparently hit by crossfire on board another cruiser. It's perhaps telling that although the fishing boats were sitting ducks with their nets deployed, the Russians only managed to sink a single vessel despite a furious bombardment.

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Well except for the Sea Devils. The Doctor had a worthy foe there.


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Cal Mac wrote:
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Be that as it may, and it is debatable, you can't be incompetent in order to achieve those kind of results.


Well the Japanese weren't, but the undoubted incompetence of the Russians must have helped the outcome.

On their way to the Pacific, they nearly managed to start a shootout with the Royal Navy by firing on British fishing boats that they thought were Japanese torpedo boats. Even when attacking the unarmed boats, they still managed to suffer fatal casualties themselves. shake

It may sound ridiculous in hindsight, but one should not forget that British "neutrality" was openly favouring the Japanese. Naval combat at night is an uncertain matter - the US suffered casualties that way in a number of WW2 engagements in the Pacific due to friendlies not being identified on time. Yet no one would describe the USN as "incompetent".

There is no doubt that the Japanese were better trained, better equipped, and generally better led than the Russians, but incompetent seems a bit harsh. Anybody who manages to sail a fleet for 20,000 miles has my respect (and the Russians managed to catch the Japanese on the wrong foot several times, including with their passing of the Malacca Strait). In the end, their luck ran out though, and even then one should not forget the disadvantages under which they fought: for example the fact that their armour belts were under water since they had to carry so much coal. Logistics, again.
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The pre-dreadnought flagship at Tsushima (I can't remember her name right now) and her sister-ship(s)


Mikasa, I think.


If you're in Yokosuka, you can visit the Mikasa.

http://www.kinenkan-mikasa.or.jp/
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Lead up to War

The effects of Tsushima cannot be overstated. The battle gave Japan an Asian Empire and made her the leading power in the region. For the Japanese Navy, it granted them a level of prestige undreamed of. World War I only added to this prestige. At Tsingtao, Germany's premiere base in China, the IJN launched the first seaborne air attack in history. In addition her naval forces occupied the Mariana, Caroline, and Marshall Islands, giving her navy valuable base in the Pacific Ocean. By 1917 her forces were escorting transports in the Mediterranean Sea. At low cost in men and material, Japan emerged with a larger empire in 1918. By 1921, the navy's budget was expanded, and plans were drawn up to construct battleships and aircraft carriers, which were far more powerful than similar French and British designs. Only America had proposed warships on par with the latest Japanese designs.

It was in relation to America that the influence of Tsushumia became an albatross. By 1922, both nations saw the other as a potential rival, and the Washington Naval Conference, which saw the Americans succeed in limiting Japanese naval power, only fanned these flames. Meanwhile, the navy's political power declined in relation to the army, as the naval high command was torn between hardliners and those who favored rapprochement with the west. The army was mostly united in its aggressive stance. When the Great Depression began the Japanese Army responded with a policy of conquest. By occupying Manchuria and then starting a war with China in 1937, they dragged Japan into a land war in Asia, that in spite of some spectacular land victories, had no end in sight.

The navy did well in the Chinese invasion, making air strikes and supporting amphibious landings. But it was the army's war to win or lose, and as the war dragged on, the army's desire for a land war in Asia looked less desirable. The final nail in the coffin came when the Red Army defeated the Japanese at Lake Khasan and Khalkhin Gol. Now the policy makers looked south, to the imperial possessions of Britain, France, and the Netherlands. With Japan threatening western interests, and allying itself to Germany and Italy in 1940, America took a hardline policy against Japan. The stage was set for war.

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The navy did well in the Chinese invasion, making air strikes and supporting amphibious landings. But it was the army's war to win or lose, and as the war dragged on, the army's desire for a land war in Asia looked less desirable. The final nail in the coffin came when the Red Army defeated the Japanese at Lake Khasan and Khalkhin Gol. Now the policy makers looked south, to the imperial possessions of Britain, France, and the Netherlands. With Japan threatening western interests, and allying itself to Germany and Italy in 1940, America took a hardline policy against Japan. The stage was set for war.


2 points to note: 1) On Japanese intent in northern Asia and 2) Japan's intent in the south and its relations with the US-UK powers

1) Japan's primary consideration between 1937-40 was China. They weren't looking to expand their war in China to include USSR in a land war for Asia. The Nomonhan clashes in the summer of 1939 were triggered by Soviet incursion. But it was the Kwantung Army's overconfidence that USSR was not prepared for a major fight, given its preoccupation in Europe, that led the Japanese army to escalate the conflict through a series of punitive expeditions.

Interestingly, whatever views Japan might have had to USSR was transformed by the start of the European war. The Russian-German carve-up of Poland led even some Japanese civilian officials to advocate Japan signing a pact not only with Germany but also with USSR - the thinking was that this would stop Russian aid to China (again, it all goes back to China!).

2) While Japan, particularly in the navy, had advocates for southern expansion since 1936, nothing was concretised. Instead, hard-liners in the US administration, e.g., Morgenthau, Ickes etc, had already pressed for a tougher policy even before the Axis alliance - US began sending aid to China in 1938 and abrogated the bilateral commerce treaty in summer 1939. Thus, during this period, while the Abe cabinet still sought an accommodation with the US-UK powers, its overtures fell on deaf ears in Washington.

The Axis alliance came much later, in Sep 1940, and is the culmination of Japan's one-year response to the European war, with the rise of the view that Germany and Japan should ally. The Konoe government is as much a symptom as a driver of the move towards Germany.

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The navy did well in the Chinese invasion, making air strikes and supporting amphibious landings. But it was the army's war to win or lose, and as the war dragged on, the army's desire for a land war in Asia looked less desirable. The final nail in the coffin came when the Red Army defeated the Japanese at Lake Khasan and Khalkhin Gol. Now the policy makers looked south, to the imperial possessions of Britain, France, and the Netherlands. With Japan threatening western interests, and allying itself to Germany and Italy in 1940, America took a hardline policy against Japan. The stage was set for war.


2 points to note: 1) On Japanese intent in northern Asia and 2) Japan's intent in the south and its relations with the US-UK powers

1) Japan's primary consideration between 1937-40 was China. They weren't looking to expand their war in China to include USSR in a land war for Asia. The Nomonhan clashes in the summer of 1939 were triggered by Soviet incursion. But it was the Kwantung Army's overconfidence that USSR was not prepared for a major fight, given its preoccupation in Europe, that led the Japanese army to escalate the conflict through a series of punitive expeditions.


Thank you for making that more clear. I can see how the entry would lead one to think Japan wanted a war with the USSR. My point is the battles in Mongolia silenced those who wanted war with Russia while weakening the army's position overall.

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2) While Japan, particularly in the navy, had advocates for southern expansion since 1936, nothing was concretised. Instead, hard-liners in the US administration, e.g., Morgenthau, Ickes etc, had already pressed for a tougher policy even before the Axis alliance - US began sending aid to China in 1938 and abrogated the bilateral commerce treaty in summer 1939. Thus, during this period, while the Abe cabinet still sought an accommodation with the US-UK powers, its overtures fell on deaf ears in Washington.

The Axis alliance came much later, in Sep 1940, and is the culmination of Japan's one-year response to the European war, with the rise of the view that Germany and Japan should ally. The Konoe government is as much a symptom as a driver of the move towards Germany.


Japan threatened our interests in China and the massacring of civilians revolted Americans. While we had taken a more unfavorable position in regards to Japan, and failed to cultivate the more peaceful elements, a few things must be kept in mind. For one, American isolationism and our chronic incompetence in foreign affairs meant that our actions were going to be haphazard. It can be argued that we were not hard-line enough. After all, we still did business with them, allowing Japan to buy the war materials needed for their operations in China. Second, Abe was opposed from within, particularly by the army, which mostly sought an alliance with Germany and Italy. I believe his government, stuck between an incompetent America and a gung-ho army that had already murdered opponents, was dead on arrival.
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I'm not sure if the Nomonhan clashes turned silenced those who wanted war with Russia. The army was remarkably delusional about its abilities, even after the defeats. What are the sources on this? (Always glad to read up more on the run-up to war, which is an altogether fascinating topic.) I thought the turn towards a rapprochement with Russia n the higher Japanese political circles had to do with the outbreak of war in Europe.

Don't dispute the statement about Japan threatening US interests in China. Just pointing that a lot of things happened between that and "allying itself to Germany and Italy in 1940". War was by no means inevitable.
 
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The Fleet in 1941

On the eve of war Japan had the third largest fleet in the world, boasting 10 battleships, 10 aircraft carriers, nearly 30 cruisers, and over 150 destroyers, as well as a fleet of large ocean going submarines. With the exception of the aircraft carriers and submarines, each of these ships showed the influence of Tsushima. The battleships were a mixed breed, and included the reconstructed battlecruisers of the Kongo class, as well as 4 World War I era dreadnoughts, 2 post World War I battleships, and the latest battleship design: Yamato. The older ships followed the Japanese practice of sacrificing armor for speed and firepower, although by 1941 these ships were slower and had less firepower than their contemporaries. Indeed, Japan's only fast battleships were the Kongo class, but their armor was a liability. In that sense, Yamato was actually a radical departure, since it boasted heavy armor, armaments, and somehow managed to have a respectable top speed of 27 knots.

In many ways the pride of the navy was invested in its cruisers and destroyers. The success of lighter warships at Tsushima caused the Japanese to emphasis light surface tactics, particularly night assaults. The destroyers that Japan produced in the 1920s were light-years ahead of contemporary designs, and not out-classed until later French and American designs were launched during the war. Japanese destroyers had surface guns capable of out-ranging other destroyers, and were further aided by the oxygen torpedo, known as the long lance. This weapon gave Japan an edge in surface battles that was needed due to their lack of radar.

While nearly all Japanese ships were fast and well armed, the lack of armor made them susceptible to damage. This was complicated by a lack of focus on damage control techniques. This resulted both in a tendency for warships to suffer crippling damage from relatively light wounds, and worst of all an inability to deal with even light damage. While British, Italian, and French ships also suffered from light armor, each navy had better damage control techniques. Also, few of the ships in these navies could match Japanese firepower. The result was that the average Japanese warship was a floating contradiction. They could dish out pain but not take it. The ships relied upon elite crews and yet the navy failed to train them to deal with the blows of battle or to design ships that protected men who it took years to train. The later point is arguably a function of a culture that put a high premium upon death and a government which, unlike the western democracies, did not respect life in the same way. The result for the average Japanese sailor was a life of intense hardship.

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Interesting to note that the US possessed the capability to build ships in the size of the Yamato class but chose not to, based on the need for their ships to navigate the Panama Canal. Japan never had that problem...

Also notable, in a wider sense, is that in 1941 it became a criminal offence, (invariably punishable by death), for a Japanese military man to flee in the face of the enemy - with the publication of the Senjinkun. Whilst an obvious extention of existing policies that became popular in the wake of Nomonhan, it was definitely a potent symbol of the cultural leaning.

The irony of it all was that a significant number of Russians and Germans, captured during the Russo-Japanese War and WWI (and imprisoned in Japan itself), chose to remain in Japan and became citizens. This was largely driven on their experience of the quite exemplary treatment they received from their captors, with Japan setting the international standard for PoW treatment during the former conflict that continues to exist to this day...
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I understand the origin of the statement was with regard to WWI, etc, but
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...that continues to exist to this day..
seems pretty conclusive to me. Anyhow, not a big deal, just thought that was a little bit off.

This line I'm not going to even touch:
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I understand the origin of the statement was with regard to WWI, etc, but
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...that continues to exist to this day..
seems pretty conclusive to me. Anyhow, not a big deal, just thought that was a little bit off.

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The line was

"Japan setting the international standard for PoW treatment during the former conflict that continues to exist to this day"

Which I think you've somehow parsed to read

"Japan setting very high standards for PoW treatment that they have continued to maintain without pause up until the present day"

When in fact it means

"During the former conflict, Japan set the international standard for PoW treatment. That standard continues to exist"
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"During the former conflict, Japan set the international standard for PoW treatment. That standard continues to exist"


This is what it means and it is a matter of historic record that is often conveniently forgotten as a result of Japanese conduct during WWII.

Regarding any disbelief about the Japanese not committing wholesale executions of European PoWs (they weren't so kind to the Chinese and they tended to release native and Indian soldiers) as standard - I've outlined my thoughts on the matter. I invite anyone who disbelieves me to read the vast amounts of material - both Japanese and Western - on the subject. You will find that not only is it true - as evidenced by the sheer number of Allied PoWs held by Japan who survivedd (75% of the total) and the mechanism of death for those that died (malnutrition and disease, invariably) - but that there were notable examples of Japanese officers, including generals, disobeying orders to execute prisoners in a number of instances.

The Japanese may have been brutal and barbaric in the way they treated PoWs, and there may be deep-rooted issues with their ability as a nation to ratify their conduct 70 years ago, but that is not the same as saying they simply slaughtered PoWs wholesale. They didn't.
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I think you're too hard on the Japanese with regard to damage control. While they certainly never reached the standard that the US had later in the war, I'd describe them more as "patchy" than as uniformly bad. Japanese firefighting measures were dramatically improved after the lessons of Midway. Shokaku at Santa Cruz took more bombs than any other carrier that survived, but was repaired and returned to service.

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A very smooth turn of phrase, but it seems an exaggeration. No ship is invulnerable.

Certainly the record of the later US treaty cruisers which emphasised protection was not stellar in this regard compared to their Japanese counterparts, and the early treaty cruisers (Salt Lake City and Northampton class) were not significantly better protected than their Japanese contemporaries. In the end, battles were usually won by concentrating overwhelming force, and in that respect the side that has more force to concentrate ultimately has the advantage.
 
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Kido Butai

Of all the branches of Japan's navy, it was her aircraft carrier force, known as Kido Butai, that represented the conflicting virtues and vices of her navy. In many ways it was the most advanced carrier force in the world. Its pilots and commanders believed in aggressive strikes, and the use of task forces built around multiple carriers. Crews were trained to the highest efficiency, and the pilots saw themselves as Japan's elite. By 1941, Kido Butai was among the most potent attack forces in the world.

However, there were glaring weaknesses that became visible only in the fires of war, and often times too late. For thing, although Japan had six large aircraft carriers, these ships were rather vulnerable, and due to fuel shortage practices, prone to catch fire. While the pilots were elite, the aircraft were typically not of the best variety. The Aichi D3A carried a rather small bomb load and the Nakajima B5N was an old model even by 1941. Although the A6M was a remarkable fighter, it had poor armor protection. The result was that Japanese pilots took heavy losses as the war went on, but the Japanese aircraft industry could barely keep up and pilot training programs were not up to the task.

There was a greater weakness in play though. Although many of Japan's admirals had accepted the carrier, it did not follow that they fully understood its use. Chūichi Nagumo was chosen to lead Kido Butai, but he was wary about the new weapon's potential, and showed himself to be aggressive and cautious at any given moment. This ambivalence could also be seen in anti-aircraft defenses. When the war began, all of the navies had underestimated the number of anti-aircraft guns needed. Japan though, in spite of her aggressive use of aircraft and early war experiences, was even slower to upgrade. Sailors often had to soldier on with inferior guns. This weakness would haunt the Japanese throughout the war.

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For thing, although Japan had six large aircraft carriers, these ships were rather vulnerable, and due to fuel shortage practices, prone to catch fire.


And to make things worse, the carriers had very poor damage control techniques (for example, US carriers flooded aviation fuel lines with inert gas when not in use; Japanese did not). Also, damage control training was not great and was limited to a small sub-group of the crew, unlike in the US Navy, where everybody was trained in damage control techniques.

edit: "damage control" not "fire control"! fixed
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[...] I seem to recall that the Japanese Navy looked down on damage control as not exactly honorable.

As I understand it, this was an aspect of a larger problem -- a tendency (if not actually policy) to regard expertise in the useful technical stuff as not worthy of a warrior, or am I oversimplifying?
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wifwendell wrote:

US carriers flooded aviation fuel lines with inert gas when not in use


The *origin* of this technique sheds light on a tremendous advantage the USN enjoyed over the IJN. The technique was proposed to the skipper of the Yorktown by an enlisted man, a machinist's mate IIRC (ref: Shattered Sword) as the wounded Yorktown limped back to Pearl after taking damage in the Coral Sea. The skipper listened, liked the idea, and put his weight behind making it happen.

That would have been very difficult for a similar chain of events to happen in the IJN.
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And to make things worse, the carriers had very poor damage control techniques (for example, US carriers flooded aviation fuel lines with inert gas when not in use; Japanese did not).

Actually, the Japanese started doing this after Midway.
 
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And to make things worse, the carriers had very poor damage control techniques (for example, US carriers flooded aviation fuel lines with inert gas when not in use; Japanese did not).

Actually, the Japanese started doing this after Midway.


Perhaps four carriers too late!
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The design and application of ships are all good and well, but the men must rate as the most important asset in any fleet. It was a lesson the Japanese seemed to take to heart and yet reject all at once, for the enlisted sailor was well drilled and mercilessly trained in his craft, yet he lived in ships that disregarded good living conditions and adequate armor. The result was a hard life made worse by draconian discipline. In the opening months there was no harm, and accounts prove that crew morale was high. By 1944 the men were cracking, and Japan's submarine force was actually avoiding battle at all costs, and therefore disregarding orders.

The harsh discipline, poor food, and deary living conditions extended to the junior officers as well. Trained in an environment no less unforgiving, Japanese officers were expected to be hard on their men, and also to follow orders rather rigidly. The result was a lack of creative thinking, which extended to the high command. Japanese obsessions with attack tactics, decisive battle, and complicated maneuvers led to a remarkably conservative core of admirals. What was worse, the Japanese did not always adequately train officers for radar and sonar duties, which caused grave problems as the war wore on. In addition, violence between admirals was not uncommon, with Nagumo himself being attacked by the aggressive Tamon Yamaguchi on the eve of Pearl Harbor. Yamaguchi was a microcosm of the navy's best and worst tendencies, for while aggressive and innovative, he was also steeped in Bushido, and surprisingly rigid in battle.

So it was that in 1941 the Japanese Navy entered the war with an elite, but strained force. The tough training regimen arguably wore out the officers, and certainly it created rigid thinking. None of this doomed Japan, for the men entered the war in high spirits, and proved to be worthy of their long tradition. However, such training and discipline made this officer class highly brittle. When I read about the sailors and officers of this doomed fleet, I am reminded of this line from Tao de Ching: "Water is fluid, soft, and yielding. But water will wear away rock, which is rigid and cannot yield. As a rule, whatever is fluid, soft, and yielding will overcome whatever is rigid and hard. This is another paradox: what is soft is strong."

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1st. Outstanding geeklist. Thank you for this.

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Yamaguchi was a microcosm of the navy's best and worst tendencies, for while aggressive and innovative, he was also steeped in Bushido, and surprisingly rigid in battle.

Can we have some examples in which this was observed?


He advocated carrier warfare and the aggressive use of aircraft, causing some bitter arguments with Nagumo, one of which came to violence. At Midway though he went too far. Rather than try to save Hiryu, he made desperate attacks. When the ship was lost he remained on board, seeing it as honorable. This was not common practice for admirals. This image was made in his honor in wartime Japan.

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Code breaking was of course another example of "geek" contribution.


Good point that I don't think has been mentioned elsewhere. This was definitely one of the key advantages that ultimately led to the Allied victory and, notably, led to the death of Yamamoto. He was killed when intercepts gave the flightplan/timings of the aircraft he was travelling on and was shot down by the US Navy. Interestingly, the action was vehemently opposed by the British as it was believed that it would tip the Allied hand to the Japanese and reveal that the IJN codes had been broken. The Americans went ahead regardless and, in one of the major Japanese blunders of the war, the post-incident investigation dismissed the possibility of the Allies having broken the codes and was simply chalked up to bad luck. They didn't find out that the codes had been compromised until post-war. oops...
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    Japanese codes were also a valuable source of intelligence for efforts in Europe as well, where the Japanese Ambassador to Germany was a detail kind of guy. He would tour German defenses and sit in on weapon demonstrations, wiring what he had seen to the Japanese government. Britain wasn't concerned they would lose intelligence on Japan, they were worried they'd lose intelligence on Germany.

    Remarkably, in spite of close communications with Germany there was virtually no technology or material exchange regarding sonar, radar or (of particular value to the Japanese Navy) anti-aircraft technology.

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This (code breaking) was definitely one of the key advantages that ultimately led to the Allied victory and, notably, led to the death of Yamamoto. He was killed when intercepts gave the flightplan/timings of the aircraft he was travelling on and was shot down by the US Navy.


Actually, the planes that intercepted Yamamoto were US Army P-38s-- no Navy fighters had the range to make the intercept.
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It was in terms of strategy that the Japanese Navy was at its weakest. Much of this had to do with rigidity. The navy's emphasis upon attack and surprise had been confirmed by the Russo-Japanese War. As a result, war plans usually called for several fleets operating at once, the intention being that this would confuse the enemy over objectives. The result was complicated plans carried out by fleets that could not support each other in the crucible of battle. This later point undermined Japanese naval plans because they often featured a decisive engage as the end result of operations. The Japanese Navy was enthralled by the memory of Tsushumia and obsessed with relieving the past on a strategic scale. This thinking led to a very poor use of submarines, which were used in fleet operations rather than striking at enemy supply lines.

The army's failures in China and against the Russians had increased the navy's leverage, but there was no consensus among the navy's top brass on what to do, in part because it was torn by bitter debates over Japan's aggressive diplomatic stance and the use of aircraft. The former was a product of the navy's cosmopolitan outlook, as many of its admirals saw war with the west as disastrous. This was made particularly bitter because violence was not uncommon in the higher circles of Japan. By 1940, Japan's alliance with the Axis Powers and invasion of Indochina led America to place an embargo on some imports and move the Pacific naval base from San Diego to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. In July 1941 America suspended its oil exports to Japan, giving the aggressive faction the ammunition it needed to force a decision in favor of war.

The Japanese Navy's default strategy was for the seizure of resource rich lands in the southwest Pacific, where British, Dutch, and Australian holdings were only sparsely defended. The question was over whether such a strategy would drag the Americans into the war. Here is where a rift between Imperial Japanese Navy General Staff, which oversaw strategic planning and allocation, and Combined Fleet, grew into a bitter feud. Osami Nagano, the chief of staff, was paradoxically a firm supportor of war and empire, but convinced that war could be fought without American interference. Although his insights had merit, they were undermined by his lack of charisma and vision. Isoroku Yamamoto, was Nagano's opposite: cultured, charismatic, creative, and opposed to war, but convinced that if war came Japan must strike America first. Ultimately, Yamamoto won the debate through force of personality, and ordered the most daring operation in naval history: the attack on Pearl harbor.

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IJN officers were strict Mahanians. Tsushima merely confirmed to them that Mahan was right.
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One problem is that even if the Japanese moved south without directly involving the US at the outset the Philippines would be sitting there right on their main supply route for resources moving north.

Once forewarned by the start of hostilities it would be expected that the US would then reinforce the Philippines heavily and be positioned to block the Luzon Strait at a later point.
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It is miraculous that the attack on Pearl harbor was even carried out. The army opposed it, but lacked the political will to stop it. Nagano's criticisms, while well thought out, came from a man who people increasingly did not respect. Nagumo, head of the main strike force of Kido Butai, was especially critical. Nagumo though was in a hard position. Although beloved by his men and thoroughly competent at fleet operations, he was critical of the use of aircraft and could be exceedingly gruff. His appointment had more to do with seniority and his friendship with Nagano, and he was rebuffed. The operation went forward, and the training for it was exacting and innovative. It helped that Minoru Genda, one of the world's top carrier experts, worked on the operation from start to finish.

After a long journey through the barren North Pacific, Nagumo was ready to launch his strike on December 7, 1941. The attack consisted of two waves, and the results for America were humiliating to say the least: 4 battleships were sunk along with 4 more damaged and 2 destroyers sunk. nearly 200 aircraft were destroyed, and worst of all around 3,600 men were killed or wounded. Not since the failed attack on Penobscot Bay in 1779 had the American Navy suffered such a lopsided defeat. The Japanese had lost only 29 aircraft in the process, considerable losses for a raid, but minuscule considering the damage wrought.

Since that "day of infamy" controversy has raged on both sides. For the Japanese, while a brilliant tactical victory, its strategic and operational success was debated even by the navy's high command in 1941. While fuel stocks, repair yards, and submarines were considered low priority targets, the Japanese eventually saw the error of not making these objectives. Yammamoto had hoped to catch the American carriers there, for he knew the battleships at Pearl Harbor were powerful but outdated vessels. Yammamoto used the victory to further undercut Nagano's authority, but privately he brooded over the war and became increasingly morose. Although made a hero in Japanese propaganda, he began to privately question even his decision to strike at Pearl Harbor. While he never said "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" it sums up the results of the attack. Nevertheless, the attack on Pearl Harbor was, from a purely military standpoint, one of if not the most brilliant operations in naval history.

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I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.


Do you happen to know where this quote originated? Just curious.
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From what I've read, the American people (and many of their representatives) were dead-set against joining the war, regardless of the outcome in Europe. Apparently, the details of the holocaust weren't known at the time.

I've seen pictures of rallies in major American cities with people holding signs supporting the Nazi cause, and the sentiment was supposedly that after WWI Americans had no business in European affairs, especially considering the US casualties that returned very little in tangible results (as far as the public was concerned.)

This may have just been some sensationalist history though, I've been known to slack off in acquiring primary sources
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From what I've read, the American people (and many of their representatives) were dead-set against joining the war, regardless of the outcome in Europe. Apparently, the details of the holocaust weren't known at the time.

I've seen pictures of rallies in major American cities with people holding signs supporting the Nazi cause, and the sentiment was supposedly that after WWI Americans had no business in European affairs, especially considering the US casualties that returned very little in tangible results (as far as the public was concerned.)

This may have just been some sensationalist history though, I've been known to slack off in acquiring primary sources


Most were opposed to going to war but the same was true from 1914-16. I think German aggression on the high seas would draw us in regardless. We would probably fight Japan too, since even if they do not attack Pearl Harbor they would still be gunning for our allies. Pearl Harbor made it happen sooner and under conditions that made us more willing to fight to the death.
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I would recommend December 1941: Twelve Days that Began a World War by Evan Mawdsley for more on who promised what to whom in the run up to the Japanese entry into WW2.

Apparently FDR had promised the British that the USA would come in if Japan invaded Malaya. Now whether that was wishful thinking, or spin, or FDR over-promising what he could not deliver I could not say.

Good book worthy of a read in my view, although may not be detailed enough for the experts or specialists.
 
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From the Japanese perspective, the question was whether they could attack Dutch East Indies/Malaya without attacking the Philippines and thus avoid drawing the US into the Pacific War. The navy concluded that they could not, i.e., they had to attack the Philippines as well. Once that conclusion was reached, that's when the Japanese decided they were going to fight the US.

Of course, it was Yamamoto who then supplied the plan to attack Pearl Harbour.
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The Fate of Empires

Pearl Harbor remains the most infamous part of Japan's grand offensive, but it was not the main effort, and strategically, it was only a side offensive. The main push came in the Southwest Pacific, and was spearheaded by the bulk of Japan's cruisers and destroyers, supported by 2 battleships and 1 aircraft carrier. At Pearl harbor, American forces had been taken by surprise. At the Philippines, Allied forces had hours notice, and they had been preparing for an invasion for months. Yet the Japanese managed to destroy the air force on the ground at Clark Field and land their troops unopposed. Much of this had to do with the incompetent American commander, Douglas MacArthur, who saw the Japanese as inferior and reportedly thought Pearl Harbor was carried out by German mercenaries. The small American surface fleet had to flee, and the American submarine flotilla was ineffective due to defective torpedoes.

Elesewhere the Japanese attacked isolated posts. Hong Kong fell after a short but sharp fight, Guam surrendered without much of a battle. Oil rich Burnei was taken in a matter of days, and Thailand was forced to support Japan, opening the way to Burma. At Wake Island the first Japanese attack was repulsed, but the island fell on the second try, making it the Alamo of the Pacific and United States Marine Corps legend. The most grievous blow came at Malaya. Here the British had sent several divisions, dozens of aircraft, and the modern battleship Prince of Wales along with the old battlecrusier Repulse. This was meant as a relatively cheap deterrent, since the British could ill afford to send a lavish number of troops.

Malaya and Singapore fell in a little over 2 months. Prince of Wales and Repulse, sailing without air cover, were sunk by attack planes, leaving no doubt that the airplane was the decisive weapon of naval warfare. It was not that battleships were easy targets or irrelevant, but rather they needed air cover to survive the new way of war. Just as that myth was dying, so was a far bigger one: European dominance. While the Japanese proved to be far more cruel and exploitative than the western powers, the victory of an Asiatic power over the western powers that preached a gospel of racial superiority, inspired colonial struggles throughout the world while destroying the old institutions of control. That the Japanese achieved this through spectacular and lop sided victories made the victories all the more exciting for a people used to subjugation. In that sense, the teetering edifice of nineteenth century imperialism was destroyed in the jungles of Malaya and on the beaches of the Philippines. Ironically, the Japanese, through conquest, were themselves attempting to emulate the very imperial model that they had shattered with their victories.

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I thought that the British troops were ill-equipped and ill-trained in Malaya and Singapore. In fact, some arrived there just in time to become POWs (Ron Searles who drew/wrote "St. Trinian's" was among them).

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I bet the Japanese Navy was paying close attention to the German Blitzkrieg in both Poland and France, where ground troops and the air force worked together as a team. It's a shame that the British Navy decided to go ahead anyway even though they knew that the "Indomitable" wouldn't be available to provide air cover for the "Prince of Wales" and "Repulse".
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However, was the Royal Navy a dysfunctional institution? Hardly, and they often promoted talent.

Above anything, it promoted aggressiveness.

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I will say, though, that if Phillips had followed what we all now consider to have been the only viable option - remain in harbour until the last safe moment and then flee for India - the man would have been stripped of command and been branded a coward and traitor for the rest of his life. Going into battle took balls on his part and he went down with his ship - I can't but respect that.


I doubt he would have been disgraced,

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Now Karel Doorman, that is a man with guts and no other recourse.

Matter of fact, while I admire Doorman's guts, I see no difference between the two. Both sailed in a situation where they felt they had to achieve some success or the campaign would be lost. Both were right.

I think wargamers, armed with hindsight and not saddled with the same uncertainty and lack of knowledge of the future, tend to be far too hard on people who lost battles (and I see this constantly in this discussion in the sweeping condemnation of people like Phillips, Villeneuve, Rojestvenski, just as people keep claiming people like the Allied commanders at Austerlitz were incompetent or stupid. It doesn't take being an idiot to be defeated; the most famous defeats are usually not caused by the defender being totally hapless but merely by the other side being unusually good.
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Phillips has been a little hard done by here I think.

It was the operational tasks as laid down my CIGS in London for the defence of Malaya and Singapore that were primarily at fault, not the actions of the guys on the ground that had to implement them.

Phillips had hard evidence that bombers could not really do much against battleships. It was lack of British intelligence on the capabilities of the Japanese torpedo bombers and the land based Naval Air organisation of the IJN that misled him, not a personal overconfidence or stupidity.

He may not have been the best officer in the RN but he was far from the worst.
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Absolutely, he would have been.


Then we ought to define what we mean by disgrace. Would he be drummed out of the service? Maybe he would be put on the back-shelf, but if I recall correctly he already had been before.

Lacking hindsight, we can only guess.

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I think most great victories are more attribute to a meeting of the incompetent and the brilliant, or at least the lucky. There in lies why we disagree on this point and would also disagree about Trafalgar and Austerlitz. It doesn't take an idiot to be defeated, but sure helps to make it a disaster.

As for hindsight, each of us tries earnestly to avoid it. I'll defend the actions of Edward Braddock and John Burgoyne, who were the victims of circumstance as much as mistakes. So was Phillips, but I am disturbed by those defending him as if it was not his fault, when an awful of what happened was his fault. I have already offered my views on why I think Phillips was a fool. I will not repeat them save that even without hindsight he still sounds like an obtuse blockhead.

I do find it funny that you are condemning wargaming for creating that kind of thinking. I find the opposite occurs, as good gaming shows where things could go differently. My disasters in wargaming are few because I am shrewd, but they do happen. If anything, before gaming I was far more prone to condemn men like Bragg and Darius III.
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Phillips has been a little hard done by here I think.

It was the operational tasks as laid down my CIGS in London for the defence of Malaya and Singapore that were primarily at fault, not the actions of the guys on the ground that had to implement them.

Phillips had hard evidence that bombers could not really do much against battleships. It was lack of British intelligence on the capabilities of the Japanese torpedo bombers and the land based Naval Air organisation of the IJN that misled him, not a personal overconfidence or stupidity.

He may not have been the best officer in the RN but he was far from the worst.


This is a fair assessment of the situation, and blaming Phillips, as I do, does not exonerate his superiors, who drew up poor plans and then made the mistake of choosing Phillips for the job.
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The fall of Malaya and the conquest of most of the Philippines was only first act in the Southern Operation. The next phase called for an attack on the Dutch East Indies, which was the brass ring of the "Southeast Asia Co-prosperity Sphere." Sumatra was invaded on February 14, 1942, but the Allies had pieced together a ragtag fleet of Dutch, British, American, and Australian cruisers and destroyers that had to be defeated before Java could be seized. From February 4th to March 1st, the two fleets fought a series of desperate actions, which resulted in the almost total destruction of the Allied fleet at minimal cost to the Japanese. Although the Allies had labored under tremendous communications difficulties, the battle was an "ideal" surface action in that neither side had considerable air assets. The Japanese at Pearl Harbor and Malaya had proven to be masters in using aircraft. Now they had proven themselves to be adept in surface battles.

With the destruction of the Allied fleet the Japanese were free to invade Java, which fell rather quickly. At Timor Allied forces, in particularly the Australians, fought with zeal and held out until February 10, 1943. The situation though only got worse wen Kido Butai was sent to the Southwest with orders to destroy the British and Australian fleet and damage nearby port facilities in order to ensure that the Allies would be unable to strike at the Dutch East Indies. The first raid came at Darwin, Australia, which was hit by some 242 aircraft. Although only 1 destroyer was sunk along with a few transport ships and 22 aircraft, the destruction of the port facilities forced the Allies to abandon the port and any plans of striking the Dutch East Indies in 1942. Combined with some land based raids, including a daring strike on Broome, the Japanese had secured their defensive perimeter at only a small cost in planes and lives. The bigger test would come in the Indian Ocean, where the British had rushed 5 battleships and 3 aircraft carriers in a desperate attempt to stem the tide. With the invasion of Andaman Islands and Burma underway, Yamamoto rightfully feared that the Royal Navy might launch a counterattack.

Kido Butai entered the Indian Ocean in March 1942 and raided several port facilities while managing to sink 1 aircraft carrier, 2 cruisers, and 2 destroyers. Both the Japanese and British tried to find each other's main battle forces, but failed, making the Indian Ocean raid appear to be indecisive. Certainly the Japanese wanted a bigger victory. However, the effects of this battle were decisive in the strategic sense. The Japanese had proven that they could move about the Indian Ocean at will, while the shipping and aircraft losses were considerable enough to force the British to withdraw their naval forces to East Africa. With Japanese attentions turned elsewhere, the Royal Navy was free to send its forces back to Europe, but the quick and lop-sided Japanese victories on both land and sea made the British pathologically afraid of Japan until the victory at Imphal in 1944. For the IJN, the Indian Ocean raid was a major psychological triumph. The Royal Navy had been their mentor in decades passed, and the Indian Ocean raid cemented the supremacy of the student over the master.

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the quick and lop-sided Japanese victories on both land and sea made the British pathologically afraid of Japan until the victory at Imphal in 1944.


I recommend you read some accounts of Chindit operations if you think this the case.

If you want some pathological fear in the Pacific theatre then you'd probably be better off with US naval commanders during night engagements.
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the quick and lop-sided Japanese victories on both land and sea made the British pathologically afraid of Japan until the victory at Imphal in 1944.


I recommend you read some accounts of Chindit operations if you think this the case.

If you want some pathological fear in the Pacific theatre then you'd probably be better off with US naval commanders during night engagements.


Actually I think that was the best value of the Chindit operations: it helped to reduce the shock of Japan's early victories over the British.
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An outstanding book on this period of the naval war in the PTO -- particluarluy the US Asiatic Fleet -- is W. G. Winslows's The Fleet The Gods Forgot (Naval Institute Press, Annapolis, MD; 1982).

In addition to the surface engagements like Java Sea, the book has a lot of information about the US submarine, torpedo boat, and PBY activity during the period. It was a very desperate period in the war, and much of it has been overlooked, but Allied units did the best they could to slow down the IJN juggernaut.

There was also a Hollywood film set in this early 1942 period called The Story of Dr. Wassell (1944), starring Gary Cooper. Cooper plays the title character who was an actual USN medical officer treating wounded and moving from island to island in the Dutch East Indies, seemingly one step of the Japanese.
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Something to compare this to is the USN capabilities a few year later. The IJN can *raid*, but essentially do not have the logistics capabilities, ships, and aircraft capacities to carry out extended operations against an ememy base. And a factor affecting both sides in the early carrier battles and campaigns is simply running out of planes due to combat and accident losses.

The USN, partially due to knowing they had the strategic challenge of projecting force across most of the distance of the Pacific had the concept of the Fleet Train and underway replenishment (of ordnance as well as of fuel) in hand by 1944.
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10. Board Game: Battle of the Coral Sea [Average Rating:6.00 Unranked]
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With the fall of the Dutch East Indies and the withdrawal of the Royal Navy, IJN now had to face the American fleet, which had launched a series of small carrier raids through the opening months of the war. Then on April 18, 1942 the Americans launched the daring Doolittle Raid on Tokyo using B-25 bombers. Damage from the raid was light, but the psychological damage was considerable. At this point the IJN approved three operations. Two were set for June 1942, and would involve the seizure of Midway and part of the Aleutian Islands, while operations against Australia were proposed. IJN considered an outright invasion, but the army argued that it lacked the manpower to accomplish such a task and a more realistic compromise solution was reached. Operation MO, which would feature a landing at Port Moresby, New Guinea and in the Solomon Islands, was intended as the first phase in a plan top cut communications between Australia and America. Rather than hoarding their forces for 1-2 operations, the IJN would try to accomplish all 3 within a 1 month period of time.

The fleets used for Operation MO were composed of light warships, supported by two large aircraft carriers and one light carrier. The Japanese expected light resistance. However, the Communication Security Section of the Office of Naval Communications had cracked the IJN's codes and was able to send two large fleet carriers to the Coral Sea. If not for the Doolittle Raid, more would have been there. On May 3 the Americans attacked the Solomon Islands invasion force, sinking one destroyer and alerting the Japanese fleet. In the next few days a confused battle erupted. Both sides were still new to carrier operations, and their experience mostly involved attacking bases, not mobile fleets. Such was the confusion that on one occasion Japanese aircraft tried to land on the Yorktown. When the smoke cleared the Japanese had lost the light carrier Shoho and the carrier Shokaku was heavily damaged. The Americans had lost the carrier Lexington, but the IJN canceled the operation. It was the first major Allied victory in the Pacific Ocean.

The implications of the Battle of the Coral Sea cannot be overstated. For one it was the first naval battle that did not feature a surface action, making it a revolutionary moment in the history of warfare. While both sides lost heavily, the Japanese could ill afford such losses. Due to damage, Shokaku could not be sent to Midway, and Zuikaku's air wing had been decimated. Meanwhile the army's landward attack on Port Moresby came to naught. Operation MO was not a decisive Allied victory. Japan could still carry out their long-term objectives and islands in the Solomons had been seized. But the first defeat should have served as a warning. It did not, and while Zuikaku languished at Truk, Yorktown, the plucky survivor of Coral Sea, was steaming to Midway.

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Australia still commemorates the Battle of the Coral Sea. Let me recommend Invading Australia: Japan and the Battle for Australia, 1942 by respected Aussie military historian Peter Stanley. He writes that there was never any serious Japanese plan to invade Australia. The idea was kicked around a bit at this time largely because the IJN was infected with "victory disease" and was looking for more and more to do. But it never reached the stage of serious planning.
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I'm surprised no one's commented on the "Dutch Eat Indies" at the top; I can't not see it.
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I'm surprised no one's commented on the "Dutch Eat Indies" at the top; I can't not see it.


Let he who is without typos cast the first stonk.

But "Dutch Eat Indies" is a funny one!
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StephenV wrote:
I'm surprised no one's commented on the "Dutch Eat Indies" at the top; I can't not see it.


Let he who is without typos cast the first stonk.

But "Dutch Eat Indies" is a funny one!


If there were no typos then you would no someone else wrote it!

That is a good one though...
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While conquering Australia was unlikely, particularly while the Japanese army still had the bulk of its force tied down in China, so was an invasion of the US unlikely. But in early '42, people in both Australia and the US West Coast were running scared because the Japanese had yet to be stopped. After Coral Sea and Midway, much of that fear dissipated.


From my reading and conversations with family members of that generation Australia's fear of Japanese invasion was only really brought under control after Milne Bay where AIF units reinforced Australian militia units (who were supported by a US engineer regiment and an AA Battery) in inflicting the first land defeat on the Japanese.

Field Marshall Sir William Slim wrote:
Australian troops had, at Milne Bay in New Guinea, inflicted on the Japanese their first undoubted defeat on land. If the Australians, in conditions very like ours, had done it, so could we. Some of us may forget that of all the Allies it was the Australian soldiers who first broke the spell of the invincibility of the Japanese Army; those of us who were in Burma have cause to remember


A number of my relatives fought at Milne Bay and in the later campaigns in New Guinea and I heard a their stories second hand from other family members. Others were captured at Singapore, and those who returned home were pretty tight lipped about their experiences.
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11. Board Game: Midway: Turning Point in the Pacific [Average Rating:7.13 Overall Rank:2691]
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Just as at Coral Sea, the Americans knew the Japanese were going to strike at Midway, a small spec of land in the vast Pacific Ocean. For this operation the IJN assembled the largest fleet Japan had ever wielded: over 100 warships. Trouble was both the Midway and Aleutians invasions were set to occur at once, so at Midway IJN would only have 4 large aircraft carriers. The objective was to take Midway and bait the American fleet into a repeat of Tsushima. In this way the carriers would act as the hammer, and IJN's battleship fleet as the anvil. While perhaps not a bad idea in theory, the Midway operation supposed that the Americans would act in a certain way. Furthermore, the planning was rushed, with Yamamoto failing to provide the inspired leadership that he had shown in 1941. Also, Midway was an almost useless plot of land.

Luck did not hold up at Midway. Japanese submarines were only a few hours shy of sighting the American carriers and warning Nagumo. The first Japanese strike on Midway was unsuccessful and the search for nearby American ships was poorly handled. Then came the American air attacks. The first few waves were easily defeated, but they confused Nagumo, delayed counterstrikes, and left the fighter patrol disorganized and low on ammunition. Then at 10:22am American dive bombers struck at the perfect time, as the carriers were preparing planes for a strike, and therefore had ammunition and gasoline on deck. Five minutes later three carriers were burning. Rather than retreating, Hiryu launched counter-strikes at Yorktown, only to take fatal damage in the afternoon. By the next day fresh American attacks and the loss of all four large carriers compelled Yamamoto to turn back to Japan. Only the loss of Yorktown to a submarine added any sort of revenge.

It has become fashionable to say that Midway was not decisive, and hardly a miracle. On the later point I challenge anyone to find a battle where 3 capital ships received fatal damage in less than 5 minutes. Midway was where luck met preparation, and like any disaster, their are many reasons for it and to take away any one of them (poor Japanese Air defenses, cracked codes, poor Japanese carrier design, etc.) is to negate the decisive effects. Midway was decisive in that Japan could never again launch major offensive operations, her carrier forces never recovered, and the initiative now passed to the Americans. Yet in one sense Midway might have been the battle that helped Japan more than America. In December 1941 America had pledged to put roughly 90% of it resources into the war in Europe. Following Japan's lighting victories, some were questioning this wisdom, and Ernest J. King, commander of the American fleet, was prepared to lobby for a shift of resources to fighting Japan. Midway ensured that America would, until 1944, make the Pacific a secondary theater. Nevertheless, two events had occurred concurrent to Midway, each with dire consequences. At the same time Kaga was burning up, a zero had been captured in the raid on Dutch Harbor in the Aleutians. This zero allowed the Americans to learn the weaknesses of an aircraft that had so far ruled the skies. The second was the the Japanese had landed troops on Guadalcanal, with the mission of building an airbase at the southernmost tip of their empire. This alerted the Americans, who after Midway, were ready to counterattack.

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    The photograph you show above was taken from one of the B-17s sent from Midway to (in theory) destroy the Japanese carriers. In reality that simply wasn't in the cards because the bombers needed to stay high enough to avoid Imperial Navy air defenses. But -- the bombers could loiter over the fleet for an extended period and keep the Japanese carriers off the wind, effectively freezing their CAP replacements on the deck. To a large extent this and the luck of American attack aircraft showing up in relatively regular intervals was the downfall of the carriers at Midway. Their inability to operate without harassment meant they were not in a position to rotate their aircraft.

    Shattered sword: the untold story of the Battle of Midway is a magnificent read on Midway and magical reading for someone like me that works in the "failure" industry (the management of failure conditions in engineering processes). The Imperial Navy's culture lead to errant design decisions, errant strategies, errant economic choices and an inerrant ability to deny lessons they should have taken away from their losses. The Japanese public was not made aware of the stunning loss at Midway, with survivors reassigned to other theaters instead of returning to the home islands with the fleet in an attempt to conceal the news. That's a pretty solid indication of an organization that is doomed to failure.

    Magnificent content Gittes, as usual.

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Have either of you read Tully's Battle of Surigao Strait?


I have - excellent book (recommended).
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Doubly recommend (now triply) Shattered Sword. Sorry, I hadn't gotten through the list to see it before I threw it in the mix.
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Doubly recommend (now triply) Shattered Sword. Sorry, I hadn't gotten through the list to see it before I threw it in the mix.


It is a great book. Pick up "Battle of Surigao Strait" if you can. I actually like that one more than "Shattered Sword."
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The authors of Shattered Sword dispute the fact that there were aircraft on the decks of Kaga and Akagi at the time they were irreparably damaged by U.S. dive bombers. The point is of little consequence, because the Japaneses engineering decision to use a wooden deck to minimize weight and increase speed meant that the U.S. bombs did exactly what they were designed to do -- punch through the deck and detonate in the deck below. That is where unprotected aircraft fuel and ammunition was housed.

Actually, the bombs used by either side at the time punched through US carrier decks as well. In fact the same was still true of the later (and very successful) Essex class.

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I believe Kaga was put out of the war with just one bomb. Akagi I believe was hit by three (I may have them reversed). Not sunk -- that was done with Japanese topedos later in the battle. But one pass on each ship was all it took to destroy two of the biggest vessels in the Imperial Japanese Navy.

It needs to be pointed out that although Shattered Sword (or rather, the Japanese official history, from which most of the material in S.S. is taken) makes it clear that the Japanese decks were not full of fueled and armed carrier planes, that merely means that those fueled and armed planes were still in the hangars, as was much of the hastily detached ordnance from Nagumo's multiple rearming orders. Although the Essex class carriers that were hit by a single bomb or Kamikaze with a full strike on deck or in the hangar did survive (Bunker Hill and Franklin being the two example), the ships were still gutted, despite CO2 filled fuel lines and all other precautions. Akagi, Kaga and Soryu did not have these precautions and had the equivalent bomb load of two strikes in their hangars. Under those circumstances the loss of these ships is hardly surprising, whatever their design.
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12. Board Game: Guadalcanal [Average Rating:6.34 Overall Rank:3435]
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After some bitter debates between the army and navy, the US began the long road to Tokyo by attacking Guadalcanal with naval and marine forces. The island was quickly seized and an airbase dubbed Henderson Field was made operational. Local Japanese air and naval forces reacted swiftly to the landings. The Americans, arrogant after their victory at Midway, were taken by surprise at Savo Island and suffered heavy losses. Meanwhile, the IJN's high command slowly reacted to the new threat. In the wake of Midway the admirals had rallied around each other, to avoid losing face to the army. As a result, no one was relieved for that defeat. The other result as a general stunned lethargy that fell over Nagano and Yamamoto. Now, forced to awaken, the navy reacted by shifting forces from Japan to Truk and Rabaul, two major bases near the Solomons.

A series of hotly contested battles were fought in August, September, and October. In the air above Guadalcanal aircraft fought for dominance, while Japanese land forces attempted to turn the tide. At sea, a series of fierce carrier and surface battles were fought. At the Eastern Solomons the Americans won a costly carrier victory, while off Cape Esperance America's surface forces got some revenge for Savo Island. Off the Santa Cruz islands the Japanese made a bold strike, leading to a hotly contested carrier duel which left both sides diminished. It was now up to the surface fleets to decide the fate of Guadalcanal.

From November 13-15 the fiercest naval battle of the Second World War was fought. The first encounter was a night action that left both sides stunned. American aircraft were operational in spite of a prolonged bombardment of Henderson Field, and American aircraft ravaged a large troop reinforcement convoy. The final naval battle ended in another costly American victory, but the results were clear. Japan had lost Guadalcanal. A grave pall feel on the IJN. The losses had been heavily, but worst of all the defeat now seemed inevitable. Japanese logistics were simply not up to the task, for even though the IJN had more warships on hand, it could not fuel the ships for operations, while Americans held the skies. Outside of the battles at Savo Island and a meaningless last ditch victory at Tassafaronga, the Americans had come out ahead in each battle. In January the IJN launched Operation Ke, the withdrawal of troops from Guadalcanal. American strategic mistakes and a defeat off Rennell Island made the operation a success, even if it was the same as admitting defeat. The worst was yet to come.

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Richard Frank's excellent Guadalcanal: The definitive account of the landmark battle really brings home much of what you were saying at various points in this GeekList. Time and time again in this book you see that rigidity of sticking to the letter of the order comes back to hurt the Japanese. The lack of any sort of creativity or originality in carrying out orders is also glaringly obvious. The emphasis on the big decisive attack without any clue to what they would do if victorious, or more importantly not, shines through time and again. I couldn't help but wonder as I read this book just how the Japanese managed to be so successful in the early parts of the war. I also realized why it unraveled as quickly (relatively speaking of course) as it did.
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It's interesting to browse the coast of Guadalcanal in Google Earth and look for wrecks of Japanese transports.
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It's interesting to browse the coast of Guadalcanal in Google Earth and look for wrecks of Japanese transports.


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aiabx wrote:
It's interesting to browse the coast of Guadalcanal in Google Earth and look for wrecks of Japanese transports.


I participate in an active forum for Axis & Allies miniatures (both land and sea games) and there was a contest several years ago to find your favorite "thing" from WWII using Google Earth. Here's the link to the final entries:

http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about7493.html

I did mine on Guadalcanal and came in 2nd. Lots of cool stuff in that contest.

Three of the coolest places to browse looking for WWII stuff are:

1. Guadalcanal - hence my entry in the contest.
2. The mulberry harbor at Normandy - you can see a lot more of it than what you see in the pictures from that website.
3. Maxim Gorky I battery at Sevastopol

For the last one, read this little history of this battery. It's very interesting and includes lots of great pictures:

http://dracobooks.com/The%20History%20of%20Maxim%20Gorky-I%2...

Then using the little map in that article see if you can find the battery using Google Earth. It still exists and is supposedly still able to be operational although from the pictures it looks like a museum. The battery is fairly easy to spot since the guns are huge but then see if you can find the command center. Have fun!
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After reaching his 90th birthday, William Topham died last night.

I wish that I had recorded our conversations about the war and his service in the Solomons, but all that remains now are memories.

Another very good man and proud veteran passess into the night...

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On a personal note, a friend (William Topham, age 89) of our family operated a "secret" radar installation at Tulagi, another island in the Solomons chain that was assaulted by U.S. forces as part of Operation Watchtower on 8/7/42.

There were two rules on the island: leave the local women alone and never discuss what he did with anyone.

Later in the war, a Navy ship came to Tulagi to have its radar set repaired. Topham started to go, but was called back by a superior, so he sent another technician along instead. Soon thereafter there was an accident aboard the ship and the technician (along with several other Navy personnel) were killed.

He cried when he told me that story a year ago; the horrors of war still persist to this day.
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13. Board Game: Operation Cartwheel [Average Rating:6.82 Unranked]
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The Killing Time

Having failed to achieve a victory at Guadalcanal, the Japanese navy settled in for a strategy of using minor surface forces and aircraft to stem the tide, while coincidentally the American navy shied away from committing capital ships. With the final conquest of Guadalcanal complete on February 9, 1943, the Americans turned north. So began a long grinding campaign of dogfights and skirmishes that gradually wore down the Japanese. Some of restraint on the part of both sides had to do with the heavy losses of 1942. While Japanese logistics were straining to a breaking point, American supplies were limited because the war in Europe US soldiers were at long last fighting the Germans in large field battles. Called Operation Cartwheel, the Allies settled for a slow advance up the Solomons and New Guinea. Neither side had many ships available and the Americans were forced to ask the Royal Navy for assistance.

In March 1943 this new way of war was touched off when 6 Japanese destroyers sank at Blackett Strait and in the Bismarck Sea. The former showed that American surface ships were becoming adept at night fighting. The later was achieved in a massive air strike that shredded a convoy, showing Japan's weakening hold over the skies. A further three destroyers were lost to mines. In response, Yamamoto ordered Operation I-Go, a massed aerial attack launched from Japanese bases. The results were heavy losses and a few ships sunk. Yamamoto, happy with the hollow victory, came to inspect his forward bases, in part to show his courage since some grumbled that he had grown soft by being in the rear. Instead, his route was discovered, and at the orders of Franklin Roosevelt, his aircraft was intercepted and destroyed. Yamamoto was dead. His replacement, Mineichi Koga, had his predecessors' foibles but none of his strengths. He was more hidebound than Yamamoto and his only combat command had been overseeing the invasion of Hong Kong in 1941. While he planned grand aggressive operations, the navy continued to bleed away in the Solomons.

At Kula Gulf and Kolombangara in July 1943 the Japanese won small victories, only to suffer grievously at Vella Gulf the following month. The Allied advance did not stop though, and soon New Georgia and Vella Lavella were poised to fall. Meanwhile, Koga reorganized Japan's carriers, basing them upon new American organizational doctrine, while trying to improve the land based air squadrons with transfers from the carriers, diluting the strength of the later. In May of 1943 the Americans had retaken Attu in the Aleutian Islands and Koga tried to mount an aggressive counteroffensive in the Aleutians. Developments to the south though forced Koga to redeploy his forces and energies, but by then it was too late.

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14. Board Game: Silent War [Average Rating:7.53 Overall Rank:649]
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The Point of No Return

After Guadalcanal, Japan's slim hopes of victory faded. Yet the apocalypse that would follow was by no means ordained, and yet as 1943 became 1944, it was clear that the Imperial Japanese Navy was headed to complete destruction. At Vella Lavella on October 6, 1943 the Japanese navy won its last victory. From here on out it was only defeat. The American navy had by now learned their trade. They knew how to combat Japan's night fighting tactics, could use their radar with skill, and had promoted a host of fighting admirals to high command. In addition, American carrier forces were now clearly superior to the Japanese in aircraft and pilot quality. As Allied forces invaded Bougainville, a large Japanese fleet tried to stop them at Empress Augusta Bay. It was the first time Americans completely dominated the Japanese in an evenly matched surface battle. A few days later Rabual was attacked by aircraft. The base was now vulnerable and ships were being sent north to Truk. Before the retreat was over, a "Tokyo Express" run of troops to Bougainville was intercepted at Cape St. George. In another straight up fight, the Japanese were smashed. The Solomon Islands were abandoned. The effect of the grueling campaign cannot be overstated. Japan no longer had enough escorts to shield its remaining carriers, and guard convoys against submarine attacks, and retain sufficient strength to engage in surface battles. This deficiency was matched by other calamities.

To combat the landings at Bougainville, Koga ordered Operation RO, a massed air attack against the American forces. In eight days of fighting over 200 Japanese aircraft were lost. Koga was almost relieved, and the carriers fell back to Japan to lick their wounds and retrain new pilots. Jisaburō Ozawa, who had replaced Nagumo in November 1942, now advised that Truk should be abandoned. Koga, was slow to do so. Then in December 1943 came the greatest shock of all: the attack on the Gilbert Islands. The ability of the Americans to bring such an armada of ships to bear across the expanse of the central Pacific shocked the Japanese. Koga could react with nothing save a few submarines, most of which were destroyed. This was a shock as well, since Japanese submarines had achieved some impressive results in 1942. For the first time ever the Japanese could do nothing as the Americans penetrated their defensive perimeter. While plans were drawn up to reorganize the fleet and change strategy, Truk was assaulted in a massive air raid that all but destroyed the base. At the cost of 25 aircraft and two slightly damaged warships, the Americans sank 3 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 8 auxiliaries, 32 transports, and destroyed 270 aircraft. Not even a powerful base like Truk could resit the revitalized American navy.

Something else was occurring too. American submarines had begun the war with much promise, only to fail in 1942 due to inferior torpedoes. It was not that the crews were of low quality. Submarine skippers were expected to be aggressive, and they could achieve success, as shown when the destroyer Yamakaze was sunk on June 25, 1942, off the coast of Japan. It was not until the fall of 1943 that torpedo problems were fixed and crew training was up to snuff. Now Nimitz, himself a former submarine commander, launched his "silent service" on a campaign to destroy Japanese shipping. With the severe losses in escorts, Japan had few ships guarding their convoys, while Japanese SONAR was inferior and anti-submarine tactics were lacking. Just as Truk was being destroyed, Japan's logistics were coming apart.

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Code breaking was big here as well since USN submarines got Ultra data on when and where to expect convoys.

And for a maritime dependent nation the IJN never seemed to really pick up on ASW tactics and the need to build good escorts, train crews for them, and then use them effectively. Lack of radar was a factor as well, while the USN subs were getting useful surface (and air) search radar to help find targets and avoid aircraft.

And since book references are rife: Clay Blair's _Silent Victory_ is one of the major sources for the USN Pacific sub campaign.
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Koga now drew up plans for a Tsushima styled decisive engagement as he withdrew his forces closer to Japan's logistical base in Burnei, allowing him to deploy heavy units with greater ease. The plan called for massing the fleet at any of the points where the Americans may attack: Biak, the Philippines, Palau, and the Mariana Islands. Palau was the preferred target, but Koga believed it would come in the Philippines and he massed his forces accordingly. The plan also called for moving thousands of aircraft to the front-lines in several bases, although pilot training time had to be reduced. Koga, while moving his headquarters from Palau to Davao, was killed on March 31 when his plane crashed during a typhoon. His death was not announced until May 1944 when he was formally replaced by Admiral Soemu Toyoda, a taciturn man who had strongly opposed the war. His only combat experience was overseeing naval operations in the opening phase of the war with China. He was also despised by the army, and openly stated that army officers were morons. Toyoda chose to continue Koga's strategy.

On May 27, Biak was attacked. The island's defenders savaged the Americans, who were not used to advanced defensive tactics. Meanwhile, Toyoda put his forces in motion. As the Japanese approached though, the main American attack fell upon the Mariana Islands. Toyoda, in one of the war's great blunders, ordered his forces north to seek out Tsushima rather than fall upon and possibly crush a smaller force. Ozawa, commanding the attack, wisely decided to use the greater range of his aircraft to strike from afar. In a series of massive attacks Ozawa lost some 243 aircraft, while the land based forces were shredded. American losses consisted of only 23 airplanes. Submarines then torpedoed and sank the big carriers Shokaku and Taiho. The next day the Americans made a desperate carrier attack that sank more ships, although night-time aircarft landings resulted in heavy losses. Japan's carrier forces were broken, and the battle was dubbed the "Great Marianas Turkey Shoot." The last of the carrier battles was a more lopsided defeat than Midway.

The Battle of the Philippine Sea had major repercussions. The islands gave America bases to bomb Japan and invade the islands that ringed Nippon. Nagano, by now a mere figurehead, was removed, and Japan cycled through several other Imperial Japanese Naval General Staff commanders. The result was that Toyoda kept his job and was more firmly in control than ever. This tumult was matched by political fallout, since unlike Midway, the details of the defeat were leaked to the public. Hideki Tojo was removed as Prime Minister and in the upper echelons of command there was open talk of imminent defeat. Still, there was hope that a negotiated peace could be achieved, which Toyoda firmly believed was possible. This was partially inflated by overly enthusiastic battle reports. While both sides had a tendency to inflate losses, the Japanese were particularly bad about this. Partially it came from a culture that demanded success and punished failure, and therefore led to exaggerated victories in order to cover for defeat. Meanwhile the high command, desperate for good news, did not question these reports. Delusion had set in.

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Meanwhile, Toyoda put his forces in motion.


His hand was forced by the likes of submarines like the "Harder" (RIP Sam Dealey and crew), who sank 4 IJN destroyers that the IJN could ill afford to lose. The "Harder" and other subs were ordered to go on the offensive against the IJN destroyer in the hopes of sinking enough that it would force the IJN to make mistakes. The "Harder" et al succeeded.
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A participant in this battle was a 19-year old naval aviator named George Herbert Walker Bush.


I used to have an Avenger model based on his plane.

He almost ended up on an island where the commander ate the prisoners!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Harder_%28SS-257%29

See the 5th War Patrol section.

Dealey was an aggressive sub captain and liked to use the "down the throat" shot of firing a spread into a pursuing destroyer.
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Meanwhile, Toyoda put his forces in motion.


His hand was forced by the likes of submarines like the "Harder" (RIP Sam Dealey and crew), who sank 4 IJN destroyers that the IJN could ill afford to lose. The "Harder" and other subs were ordered to go on the offensive against the IJN destroyer in the hopes of sinking enough that it would force the IJN to make mistakes. The "Harder" et al succeeded.


As Spock would say "fascinating." Can you some more on this? This is the first I've heard about this happening.


You should be able to find it in any well-researched book on US submarine warfare in WW2 (I have at least two about it; one came out not long after the war, written by Theodore Roscoe - the hardback was called "United States Submarine Operations in World War II" and the paperback was called "Pig Boats"; another came out in 1975 and was called "Silent Victory: The U.S. Submarine War Against Japan", written by Clay Blair, Jr.; both books are well worth tracking down, buying, reading and re-reading).
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Harder_%28SS-257%29

See the 5th War Patrol section.

Dealey was an aggressive sub captain and liked to use the "down the throat" shot of firing a spread into a pursuing destroyer.


Thanks, I'll read up on this one!
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In a rare moment of strategic insight, Toyoda and his staff ascertained that the next attack would come at the Philippines at Leyte Gulf. Although hopes of success were slim, Toyoda was somewhat buoyed by heavy American losses in the attack on Palau and also the results of the American attack on Formosa. Although the raid actually cost the Japanese some 500 aircraft, Toyoda chose to believe reports that several American warships had been sunk. When the landings came at Leyte, Toyoda ordered the fleet into action.

The Leyte operation was as complex as previous battle plans, and called for five fleets to coordinate. One fleet with carriers would try to draw the Americans north, while two small fleets of surface warships would try to force Surigao Strait. Although not informed of this, those fleets were meant as decoys as well, while a large strike fleet of battleships would enter Leyte Gulf and destroy the transports. Lastly, the smallest fleet would try to run supplies to Leyte in all the confusion. The operation got off to an inauspicious beginning when submarines attacked the main force, which then came under heavy air attack, resulting in the loss of the giant battleship Musashi and a temporary withdrawal.

Then, the plan started to work. Ozawa's carriers made a feeble strike and the Americans took the bait, sinking Ozawa's carriers, but leaving the invasion force exposed. At Surigao Strait the Japanese forces were all but destroyed, but the Americans had expended most of their anti-shipping ammunition. If the main fleet could get to Leyte, then a great strategic victory could be achieved. Yet it was all a chimera. The main force met some American destroyers and carriers, which made a desperate stand. Radar controlled gunfire and constant air attacks harried a fleet already on edge and Takeo Kurita, the commander of the fleet, chose to withdraw. Perhaps a victory was impossible even then, for American aircraft and radar were plentiful. Indeed, the future of warfare lay with these things, and not large battleships. Perhaps it was only right that the best success the Japanese had came from kamikaze attacks, in which young pilots rammed ships. This caused great damage while it put few demands on Japan's inexperienced pilots. As for the fleet, the engagement ended the Japanese Navy's ability to impair American plans. The losses, speak for themselves. 10,500 Japanese dead, with the loss of 1 fleet carrier, 3 light carriers, 3 battleships, 10 cruisers, 11 destroyers, and over 500 planes. In terms of dead the battle was the American navy's most costly up to that point. 3,000 sailors were lost, with American ship losses coming in at 1 light carrier, 2 escort carriers, 3 destroyers, and about 200 planes lost. Nimitz would no longer factor the IJN's movements and intentions into his plans.

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Ozawa's feint worked brilliantly; Bull Halsey took the bait and charged off to the north. If Kurita hadn't mistaken the escort carrier force he encountered for the main carrier fleet and had kept going forward, he might have done grievous damage to the US invasion force, and Halsey wouldn't have any streets named for him in Newport, Rhode Island!
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The surface and land operations get most of the attention in the Pacific, leaving the successes of the US submarine campaign without the attention they would deserve.


    This is a big, big deal. USN submarines were the best in the business once the military worked out their torpedo issues. They could not operate in the Sea of Japan because of insufficient water depth but the Navy managed to convince LeMay to drop mines to close the loop. Between mines and submarine action the Japanese homeland was essentially shut down. Japan was a boxer that couldn't swing, but wouldn't fall down.

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Ozawa's feint worked brilliantly; Bull Halsey took the bait and charged off to the north. If Kurita hadn't mistaken the escort carrier force he encountered for the main carrier fleet and had kept going forward, he might have done grievous damage to the US invasion force, and Halsey wouldn't have any streets named for him in Newport, Rhode Island!


I always thought Halsey was VASTLY overrated, and that Spruance should've got a fifth star instead.
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I always thought Halsey was VASTLY overrated...


Then Sea of Thunder by Evan Thomas is the book for you!
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200 carriers in the theater.

I researched this many years ago (before Wikipedia!), and came up with a figure of about 113 U.S. carriers total in WW2. This figure included CVB, CV, CVL, and CVE.
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17. Board Game: IJN - Imperial Japanese Navy, 1941-45 [Average Rating:6.50 Unranked]
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The Great Retreat

The devastation of the Japanese fleet left the high command in a daze. In the Philippines the Japanese tried to carry out things as if nothing had happened, running supplies to Leyte. The destruction of one such convoy at Ormoc Bay proved that such operations were impossible. Meanwhile, the base at Manila was pounded from the air and several damaged ships were sunk. After some delay, Toyoda decided to order most of the fleet from oil-rich Burnei back to Japan, keeping some forces to protect Singapore from Britain's growing naval strength. Still, American aircraft and submarines took a frightful toll, the most famous victim being the battleship Kongo, torpedoed in a squall and lost off Formosa.

In spite of Ormoc Bay, Toyoda decided to use the fleet to run supplies to the Philippines. Plans to ferry aircraft through the carriers were only abandoned when submarines claimed the carriers Shinyo and Shinano. Unryu was sent with a cargo of new experimental rocket-kamikazes called Ohkas, but she too fell victim to a submarine attack. What was left of the convoy made for Manila where the destroyers Momi and Hinoki were each sunk in the last surface battles fought between America and Japan. With the loss of Unryu and the damaging of the carrier Junyo, Toyoda at last bowed to reality. His fleet was effectively blockaded by submarines.

Still, in the Southwest Pacific the war raged on, as most of Japan's heavy cruisers took up residence at Singapore. The ships were in a deplorable state, and soon came under submarine and air attack. On May 15-16, 1945 in the last surface battle of World War II, Haguro was sunk by five British destroyers in Malacca Strait. On June 8, 1945, Ashigara was lost trying to ferry troops to Singapore. Things were no better off the coast of Japan.

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That image is awesome and makes we want to go home and play with some toy boats this evening.

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malloc wrote:
That image is awesome and makes we want to go home and play with some toy boats this evening.

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I'm not sure why this simple photograph does so much for me. Maybe it is the relative loneliness of the Haguro, seemingly out there by itself, plowing ahead. Makes me wish I was on the sea.

I can settle for toy ships though. After all, my Axis & Allies Naval Miniatures: War at Sea collection could use the exercise.
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Leyte Gulf had broken the navy's back, but it also gave the Japanese a desperation weapon: the kamikaze. Even before Leyte Gulf there had been discussion of such tactics, with Rear Admiral Masafumi Arima sacrificing himself days before the battle. However, it was under Vice Admiral Takijirō Ōnishi that the tactics were tried in mass during the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Not everyone approved of these tactics, and Genda continued to train his pilots in a standard fashion. Soon the American navy was employing their own defensive tactics, including the expanded use of British Spitfire fighters. Although the attacks managed to inflict heavy losses off Iwo Jima and Okinawa, the American military still conquered these islands and now launched air raids and shore bombardments of the mainland. Still, some 2,800 Kamikazes sank 47 ships, damaged 368 others, killed 4,900 sailors, and wounded over 4,800. It was arguably the most costly and bitter struggle in the American navy's long history.

The most tragic of all kamikaze attacks came when the powerful battleship Yamato was sent out with a large escort. The goal was to draw American aircraft away from Okinawa, and if possible have Yamato beach itself on Okinawa. The operation was denounced by many. Seiichi Ito, Nagano's former second in command who was chosen to lead the attack, actually refused to give the order to set sail. The hare-brained scheme failed. Yamato was swamped by Allied aircraft and sank after an hours long struggle, taking thousands of men with her. Ito dutifully sank with his ship. Toyoda's popularity, never high, plummeted. He was given Nagano's old job, formerly held by the unremarkable Koshiro Oikawa. Toyoda was promoted because Admiral Yonai, the Prime Minister, thought Toyoda would agree with his peace plans. Instead, along with Generals Korechika Anami and Yoshijiro Umezu, he supported a fight to the death "strategy." So Toyoda, known for opposition to the war and hatred of the army, now seemed out of his mind.

Toyoda's successor in fleet command was Ozawa, who soon had no ships to command. His vessels were mostly based at Kure and being used as floating anti-aircraft batteries. Nimitz meanwhile had decided to destroy what was left of the fleet, ostensibly to prevent it from stopping the Soviet Navy, which was soon to join the war. Halsey, eager to avenge Pearl Harbor, gleefully ordered a reluctant John McCain I to send his carrier planes in two massed attacks on July 24 and 28. Although losses were heavy, the Americans sank the carriers Amagi and Kaiyo along with the battleships Hyuga, Haruna, and Ise, as well as three cruisers. For the Imperial Japanese Navy it was the final curtain. For America it was the last declaration of their dominance, with a kind of bloody poetic justice. In a perverse kind of irony, the last two ships lost in the Pacific War were American. They were the destroyer Callaghan, the last kamikaze victim, and the cruiser Indianapolis, which was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine.

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The town of Chiran, Kagoshima-ken (near Kagoshima-shi), was the main land-based launch point for kamikaze pilots, particularly during the Battle of Okinawa. There's a pretty decent museum there (and some decent samurai houses) as well as 1,000+ cherry trees planted in commemoration of the fallen pilots. Well worth a visit if you're ever in the area (45min bus ride from the Kagoshima train station).
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    Japan ran out of aircraft and fuel before they ran out of pilots.

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Japan ran out of aircraft and fuel before they ran out of pilots.


Pilots, they had. Well trained veteran pilots, on the other hand...
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    Japan ran out of aircraft and fuel before they ran out of pilots.

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Not true. Japan had assembled several thousand aircraft to strike against the expected invasion force. And they had stored much of the needed avgas just for that reason.
 
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Sagrilarus wrote:

    Japan ran out of aircraft and fuel before they ran out of pilots.

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Not true. Japan had assembled several thousand aircraft to strike against the expected invasion force. And they had stored much of the needed avgas just for that reason.


I think it is a comparative figure. Compared with the US, Japan was haemoraging materiel, including aircraft. Also, it is a bit of an unintentional fait accompli - the Japanese stockpiled planes that were never used so, in essence, they were short...
 
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Owari - The End

Even though America had dropped two nuclear bombs and the USSR had overrun the Japanese Army in Manchuria, Toyoda still believed in fighting to the death. It hardly mattered. Peace came, and with it many suicides. Admirals Ōnishi and Ugaki, commanders of the kamikazes, both choose death, with Ugaki making a kamikaze attack. No representative from the IJN was present to surrender in Tokyo Bay. Only the broken down Nagato, Japan's last battleship, was in Tokyo Bay that morning. It had been Yamamoto's headquarters when Pearl Harbor was attacked, and now it witnessed the final act. On July 1, 1946 she was lost in the infamous Bikini Atomic tests. By then there was no longer an Imperial Japanese Navy.

One of history's most powerful fleets was wiped out in just under four years. It was as much a testament to American prowess and industry, as it was to modern weapons that could unleash a destruction only dreamed of by de Ruyter, Jean Bart, and Nelson. Yet the IJN was the main author of its own destruction. They accepted a war they could hardly win, while being married to rigid strategic thinking and planning. Even cautious American admirals, such as Raymond Spruance and Frank Fletcher, showed more flexibility than their Japanese counterparts. It is with good reason that the IJN is remembered as a force of breathtaking brilliance and incompetence, brave and cruel, and ultimately doomed. Like the French in the eighteenth century, Japan had an impressive fleet with many accomplishments. However, she challenged the most powerful navy ever assembled, just as the French were doomed to battle the Royal Navy at its height. Both may have avoided these struggles. However, with such a powerful instrument at their beck and call, the leaders could not help themselves and in the end both navies supported war.

Does the Imperial Japanese Navy have a legacy? In a purely ironic sense, America as we know it today is the product of the navy, for the attack on Pearl Harbor angered America, which in turn created a powerful military to avenge that humiliation. On the more aesthetic level there are board games and video games, scattered films and television shows, each giving a vague impression of power. Yet not a single ship survives. They are all lost, and each day the veteran sailors and pilots perish. All that is left are the sunken ships that dot the Pacific. On shallow atolls, they are explored by divers. Yet so many remain uncharted. Of the 19 aircraft carriers lost at sea, only part of the Kaga has ever been found. Only the Yamato, first found in 1982, has drawn the attention of deep sea explorers. The ship remains fixed in Japanese culture, despite its utter failure in wartime. The other wrecks remain scattered and undiscovered on the abyssal plain of the wide Pacific Ocean, slowly rotting away into nothing.

The Bow of the Yamato
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They accepted a war they could hardly win, while being married to rigid strategic thinking and planning.


The second point here is fair enough but the former is very, very dangerous. It is all too easy to dismiss a defeated nation with a bit of post-victory hindsight but there were numerous occasions during the war when a different outcome may well have led to a very different result. The deaths of 1.5 million+ Japanese, 350k+ Americans, and two atomic bombs do not indicate anything as being inevitable.
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But US commanders did feel that Guadalcanal would be overrun so there certainly was a threat of annihilation.


Wait, didn't you just say that the Japanese were not able to retake Guadalcanal?




Yes, I said that. But who am I!

One thing that really struck me while reading Frank's book was just how little both the US and the Japanese knew about their enemies. The US, always the cautious ones, seemed to overestimate what they were up against despite their excellent intelligence. The Japanese on the other hand very often wildly underestimated what they were up against, often in the face of very little, if any intelligence. Time and again the Japanese on Guadalcanal had convinced themselves that victory was just around the corner with the next load of men and supplies coming off a destroyer. The Marines on the other hand seemed to think that Godzilla was waiting to stomp on them from the jungle despite having completely trounced the enemy in that same jungle perhaps several weeks earlier! Further evidence why moral and propaganda have played such a crucial role in war throughout history.


Good point, and I did forget the Japanese were overly optimistic to a degree.

Cool, you mentioned Godzilla.
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Only the Yamato, first found in 1982, has drawn the attention of deep sea explorers.


That's so we can keep track of it for when we need it to fight the Gamilons.

Unfortunately, we also now know that the Yamato exploded and lies on the bottom in two parts.

So the series will have to be renamed Space Battleship Musashi.


Why not Nagato? After all, the radiation might make it super strong or give it super powers.

Just a thought ladies and gentlemen.
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But this points out to one major problem with Japanese carrier fleet. In effect, Japan cannot rebuild its air groups anywhere near the level they were prior to the battle. It can replace aircraft if given enough time, it can get pilots who fly them - but its pilot training programs are so woefully inadequate that can't get pilots that would match even the training standard of other navies, let alone the quality Japanese pilots were pre-war. The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot very aptly demonstrates utter deficiency of Japanese pilot training during the war.


Keep in mind that turkey shoot is as much a product of a long brutal Solomons campaign as it was from Midway. I'd hate to be at the Mariannas and facing the Kido Butai of 1942. I'd still give us the advantage, but with much heavier losses.

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This is another factor in the extremely important mismatch of sides in the Pacific War and the reason its practically impossible for Japanese to win: production support. Even a repeat of Tsushima would not be enough to beat the US. US in effect built several fleets in the course of the war, even a loss of one would not stop it. On the other side, Japanese can't afford even one loss on the scale of Midway as they can't replace their losses. And even Japanese victories are costly for them as the inevitable losses in aircrew and aircraft slowly reduce the potency of their forces.


I agree another Tsushima would not be enough. It would have to be coupled with Allied defeats in Europe, all of which is unlikely as 1942 wears on.

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And one more thought on the repeat of Tsushima. The Tsushima did not come by accident or by (simply) better performance in battle. It was a victory made possible by better intelligence, planning, preparation, and strategy than what the opponent had. But in the Pacific War, US held the advantage in these, especially in the intelligence. How do you pull off another Tsushima when the opponenent knows where you are through Magic?


Like I said, a Japanese victory was very unlikely.
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Something implausible. Implausible things do happen. Not a "Japan conquers USA" kind of thing (highly implausible!), but some sort of end to the war that ends better for Japan than it did historically.


But would the USA be content with anything less than the unconditional surrender of Japan, after Pearl Harbor?
And was there any way, the slightest little offshoot of a chance, that Japan could have held off the US, in the long run?



Was there a very good chance of Japan winning the war? No, absolutely not. They were foolish.

Was their the "slightest little offshoot of a chance" that Japan could somehow have achieved something they could have called victory with a straight face? Yes - at least, it was a non-zero chance.


The 2001 book, Rising Sun Victorious (ed Jim Arnold) has a series of essays exploring some of the 'what ifs' of the Pacific war. Well worth a look if you have an interest in this conflict and enjoy alternative histories.

Details can be found here:

http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1009215
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Wow! Concise, but very informative. I appreciate the work that went into this. Thanks for posting it.
Well Done.

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The final image of her crew is my favorite photograph of all time.


Strange that the ship was lost with so many of her crew but the photo somehow survives. Is there a story behind that photo?


Not sure, but I've wondered that myself. I mean who takes a photo at a time like that?

btw, to be clear that is the second to last photograph of the crew. Here is the last.


Presumably they were taken by journalists, rather than military men.


"Well, probably going to die now. Let's take pictures!"

I'm glad he did, but I wish I could meet the fellow and get the story.


No true hack allows impending death to get in the way of a good story (or fot)...


So you are telling me Kolchak was onboard?


I think you've just betrayed your age. I'd never heard of that geezer before (probably because I wasn't born)...whistle
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I think you've just betrayed your age. I'd never heard of that geezer before (probably because I wasn't born)...whistle


I'm not yet 30 so I wasn't around for the movie or the show. I caught re-runs back in the 90s and my aunt was a fan. Also, I love 70s and 80s pop culture.
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Sean, a simply outstanding effort.


From you sir, that is an honor.
 
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Great list, mate.

A wonderful read and some really good comments!
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