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Today: 90000 oak trees stands peacefully in Denmarks forests. People enjoy walking between them, looking up at their majestic crowns. But the reason these trees were planted back in 1807, was not to offer people a wonderful sight when walking in the forest, no, they are there for building a fleet of war.

1801: England is alone against Napoleon and his allies. Nelson had crushed the French fleet at the battle of the Nile in 1798, but France had recovered and were now standing stronger than ever on land. And as if this wasnt enough, then Czar Paul I of Russia decided to join the game. He were outraged by the English trying to prevent foreign powers trading with France and had decided that England was the most dangerous power in europe, and not France. So the Czar had a nice chat with Bonaparte and in 1800 the Northen Confederacy was born, a neutral alliance of Russia, Sweden, Prussia and Denmark. The alliances goal was armed neutrality, and they started impounding british merchantmen in Baltic ports. Of greater concern for the English was that suddenly they risked having a force of some sixty line-of-battle ships on their northern flank. So the english decided to try to regain control of the Sund, the entrance to the Baltic, using force. An english fleet were sendt to attack the danish near Copenhagen and at first the battle turned in the danish favour. The Danes had managed to form a strong defence line, though the main main part of the danish fleet still lay docked at the harbor, unable to take part in the battle. The danish fleet were furthermore supported by the powerful Trekroner battery that housed numerous guns.

After three hours with cannonballs battering down english ships, the english fleet Admiral Hyde Parker grew nervous and ordered Nelson to retreat. But Nelson placed his telescope to his blind eye and disobeyed the orders he was given. Instead he wrote a letter to the danish king, telling him that he would spare the captured sailors if the battle were put to an end. If not, he would let them burn on their ships. Today such an act would have lead to him having to face trial of being a war criminal. Things were looking bad for the english, three ships had come dangerously close to the Trekroner battery and the danish were fighting fiercely, so Nelson needed to end the fighting.

When the Danish Crown Prince recieved the letter, he became fearful, and without knowing the actual situation at the battle, and without consulting with the danish fleet admiral Olfert Fischer, he ordered to seize firing.

The brittish thereby managed to force Denmark out of the neutrality pact with Russia, Prussia and Sweden. And soon after the Russian Czar were found dead in his bed (Did I hear assassination?)

Admiral Nelson later won one of the most important naval battles at Trafalgar, but was killed in action himself.

1807: Denmark-Norway were now one of the only neutral countries left in Europe. England was worried that Napoleon would get his hands on the Danish fleet, so they decided to make an attempt of stealing it. Though the Danish king admired Napoleon, he stood by his neutrality and did not expect an English storm comming. And a storm it was. This time the English brought both troops and a fleet of line-of-battle ships and lay Copenhagen under siege. The danish, now being forced to chose side, fought bravely, but when the english began testing some of their new grenades, bombarding the city and causing the worst fire in its history, Denmark had to surrender.

The English now stole all the danish line-of-battle ships (except one, anchored up in Norway), and renamed them for use in their own navy. The danish however continued fighting, but without lumber to build more line-of-battle ships, they were forced to build smaller 'gun-boats' that did an excelent job harrashing the english in the danish territorial waters.

It was then that Denmark began planning ahead, and planted 90000 oak trees, for building a new war fleet.

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Enough history, I hope you enjoyed it, as it took quite some time writing.

I've made this GeekList because my head is full of ideas of how a game focused on the great line-of-battle ships, and the complicated politics that were present in Europe during the Napoleonic wars, could be made. I've searched other lists in here showing games that are set in the Age of Sails era, but I realized they were not all gathered at one place. I'm interested in learning more about what you people believe are positive and negative sides of these games. Furthermore, I would like to know how firing and the use of wind works in these games.

Feel free to add games to this list I might have lost. But please keep the theme to the 'Age of Sails' and with wargame theme. So no WWI or fantasy elements, thank you. I have added games here I believe fit what I've stated. If they dont, then please correct me.

In every war people have fought for God and country, so did Lord Nelson and the other great naval commanders of his time. And on a Line-of-battle ship, every man has to do his duty, as there is nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, you stay alive with the ship, or you go down with the ship.
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1. Board Game: Close Action [Average Rating:7.77 Overall Rank:843]
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2. Board Game: Frigate [Average Rating:5.73 Overall Rank:5754]
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One of the first wargames that I ever bought. There is a cool solitaire scenario of The Nile.

Overall though, though the choice of counters is nice, this isn't as good as WSIM.
 
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3. Board Game: Trafalgar [Average Rating:8.83 Unranked]
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Anyone have any leads where I can purchase one of these?
 
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Try posting a WTB (Want To Buy) here...
http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@34.WaWhbxHfo6C.2@.ee7011...
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4. Board Game: Signal Close Action, Fast Play [Average Rating:7.50 Unranked]
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There is also simply Signal Close Action (without the Fast Play) by the same designer.
 
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I've been waiting for Signal Close Action to come back into print... anyone have the original rules to sell or trade?
 
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5. Board Game: Fighting Sail: Sea Combat in the Age of Canvas and Shot 1775-1815 [Average Rating:6.59 Overall Rank:3233]
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Fighting Sail-Sea Combat in the Age of Canvas and Shot 1775-1815
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Right picture, wrong game
 
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Corrected!

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6. Board Game: High Seas [Average Rating:6.35 Unranked]
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7. Board Game: Trafalgar [Average Rating:6.70 Unranked]
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Had this when I was about 14. Nice guns and cards to put them on and the ships and ports were cool, too.

I seem to remember there were interesting dice for the wind.
 
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8. Board Game: Ship o' the Line [Average Rating:6.06 Unranked]
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Wooden Ships & Iron Men was a simplified version of these miniatures rules...
 
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9. Board Game: Broadside [Average Rating:5.97 Overall Rank:3273]
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A rather simple, diceless, and surprisingly balanced game; though not in the same league as most of these other titles. This was one of my favorites as a kid and I still have it.

 
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10. Board Game: Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World [Average Rating:5.40 Overall Rank:6580]
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11. Board Game: Ship of the Line [Average Rating:7.60 Unranked]
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13. Board Game: Wooden Ships & Iron Men [Average Rating:6.96 Overall Rank:541]
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A classic game and a good one, too.
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This is definitely my favorite! It would be interesting to combine this with an appropriate land warfare game, in which the success of your fleet determines how many soldiers can be brought to the mainland to continue that part of the war, and where they could be landed.
 
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Quite a classic, and the game system has aged surprisingly well.
 
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Wow, where did those miniatures come from? I have the old AH game with flat diecut counters.
 
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Admiral Fisher wrote:
A classic game and a good one, too.


Absolutely. One of my favorites.
 
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14. Board Game: Enemy in Sight [Average Rating:6.25 Overall Rank:1880]
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15. Board Game: Set Sail! [Average Rating:3.85 Unranked]
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16. Board Game: The Battle of Trafalgar 1805 [Average Rating:3.38 Unranked]
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I saw the pieces and I was interested
I read the rules and I was disappointed

I never played this one, but from the rules I tell you: stay away from this one. It's a game in rememberance of Trafalgar (do I hear: Memoir?), but it's so overly simple, Nelson would spin in his gravezombie

Tacked on theme, simple rules. No-no-no. Would be better if this was a game about a famous naval battle during Ancient Roman or Greece Empires, the time of battering rams: if I remember correctly you move your ship and when it bumps into your opponent it automatically sinks it. No need for sailing in line, no wind, no damage and NO GUNFIRE!?!
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17. Board Game: Frigates! [Average Rating:5.67 Unranked]
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18. Board Game: Broadsides and Boarding Parties [Average Rating:5.97 Overall Rank:3089]
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A hearty hi-ho for this suggestion.

I've started about 100 games of this and finished exactly zero. Why? Because one false move, and both of the ships crumble like a nautical napoleanic version of Jenga.
 
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19. Board Game: Flying Colors [Average Rating:7.46 Overall Rank:786]
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Soon to be out in a new edition from GMT.
 
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GMT Game Info:

http://www.gmtgames.com/nnfc/main.html
 
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Picked this up yesterday at the local game shop.
 
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20. Board Game: Fire As She Bears! - 2nd Edition [Average Rating:6.72 Unranked]
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And this years Origins Vanguard Award winner too!
 
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does the game come with the cotton balls for the puffs of smoke?
 
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The game only comes with the rulebook and charts and record sheets.
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21. Board Game: Heart of Oak [Average Rating:6.96 Unranked]
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22. Board Game: Pirates of the Spanish Main [Average Rating:5.98 Overall Rank:2346]
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I'd buy you if you weren't collectible...
 
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And I believe it never actually takes into account the wind, which is interesting for an age of sail title.
 
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This game is a Looney Tunes adaptation of napoleanic ship combat. The only thing missing is a giant anvil that crash lands on your main deck.

It does however, come with a little sign that says "mother..." that you can wave around in the event you sail off the edge of the world.
 
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I'm a Wooden Ships and Iron Men fan from way back (still play it), but Pirates is a fun little game. It's not supposed to be WS&IM. Add house rules if you want more complexity. It's fast, cool, and fun. It doesn't take anything away from WS&IM if you play a few fast games of Pirates, and it could be a sneaky way of introducing someone new to an old classic.

"If you thought that was fun, I have another Fighting Sail game that's better..."
 
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I totally agree. It's a clever little game system which can readily be upgraded with house rules. BGG has some links to wind-direction rules for those who want them.
 
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23. Board Game: Don't Give Up the Ship [Average Rating:5.70 Unranked]
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Alright then, I won't.
 
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24. Board Game: Form Line of Battle [Average Rating:7.64 Unranked]
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Form Line of Battle - my favorite.
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Thank you for adding this one.

Now you know it, you could perhaps tell me more about it?
 
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I already have! See http://www.panix.com/~sos/mini/fline.html
 
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Naval War Games also has two chapters on on the age of Fighting Sail.
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As there is Pirates of the Spanish main, I think there should be "Blackbeard" of Avalon Hill, even if it is the only game where everyone plays a solo game at the same time on the same board... No player interaction, or near...

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  • Posted Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:41 pm
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Matthew Barratt
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Nelson told his signal officer the following phrase: "England confides that every man will do his duty". But the officer (named Pasco) asked if he could substitute the word 'confides' with 'expects' as sending 'expects' had a specific flag for it in the signal book, while 'confides' would require a complicated set of flags. Nelson agreed to this.


I believe that the original message was actually "Nelson confides that every man will do his duty" with 'Nelson' being replaced by 'England' for the same reason.
 
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  • Posted Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:55 am
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Aermord wrote:
First to answer the question:

Nelson told his signal officer the following phrase: "England confides that every man will do his duty". But the officer (named Pasco) asked if he could substitute the word 'confides' with 'expects' as sending 'expects' had a specific flag for it in the signal book, while 'confides' would require a complicated set of flags. Nelson agreed to this.

About the comments and recommendations on this GeekList.. Thank you all, it took a lot of time gathering the historical facts together, I'm glad you like it.


Nelson, as usual knew best and should have stuck with his text. In "The Nelson Touch" by David Howarth, the story is retold but adding that the signal caused some irritation amongst the men, "But I've always done my duty, haven't you Jack?". "Confides in every man.." is affirmatory, "expects that every man..." conveys hope but doubt.
 
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Aermord wrote:
Today such an act would have lead to him having to face trial of being a war criminal.


I really like the article & the history reminder. I'm a Napoleonic nut, so it's not like it was news-- however each historian tells their own story, and highlights their own particular pieces of the puzzle.

I must comment on the above quote, as it is simply not true. War crimes happen with incredible frequency, and the Nuremburg trials are a grand exception. None of the soldiers involved in the My Lai massacre were prosecuted, and the officers were able to cover their tracks to avoid jail time. Only 2nd Lt. Calley went to jail, and that was only about five months. And that was only one incident in a war filled with them.

Today, in Iraq, that standard isn't even being met, with more mercenaries there than US troops. Those mercenaries have been given total immunity from prosecution for anything that they have done or will do. It's hardly needed, though. The destruction of Fallujah was ordered straight from the WH, where the Colonel in charge of the ground forces besieging the city had received and wanted to accept a negotiated peace from the city Elders. He was ordered to ignore it and destroy the city & it's occupants, and that's what happened. Is there any mention of "War Crimes" in the media over this? Of course not. So while I find your history well-researched, this particular aside is naive in the extreme.
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  • Posted Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:43 pm
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Hi Rune,
if you're still interested in the Age of Sail games, I'm trying to collect them all (and all the resources/free material etc that you can find on the web) in my geeklist, with a game design in mind:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/37352/
I'll try to update it weekly (or as soon as I can). Your list gave me a lot of inspiration!laugh
 
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