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2 weeks after this photo they sealed off access to this power plant
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That appears to be a substation in the background, not a power plant. A substation transfers power by stepping up voltage for more efficient transmission along the transmission lines (which are usually towers rather than the pipes depicted in the game). A power plant would have a generator of some sort in it (coal & gas would have stacks, nuclear would have a containment structure and likely a cooling tower, hydro would have a water fall or turbine building, and wind would have some sort of prop).

Substations are very, very dangerous. I can't quite tell from the photo if you are inside the containment fence or not (although the distance says you're outside the fence). If you are, you are very lucky to still be around - electricity at that voltage can jump a number of feet and cook its way through you to ground.

Nice game and photo all the same.
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Thanks for the explanation...yea didn't know about all that stuff. There is a wall built around it which we went inside to take the photo. What I mean by sealed off is they built fences on the 2 places where the walls have openings 2 weeks after. So technically it's impossible to get in now. Just saying it was good timing. I know where there is a power plant close by but there is a security guard and I doubt they'll let us take a photo of a game so a substation plant or whatever they're called will have to suffice.
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RaDiKal wrote:
That appears to be a substation in the background, not a power plant. A substation transfers power by stepping up voltage for more efficient transmission along the transmission lines


How do you tell from the photo whether it is a step-up or a step-down substation?

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chux vomitus wrote:
RaDiKal wrote:
That appears to be a substation in the background, not a power plant. A substation transfers power by stepping up voltage for more efficient transmission along the transmission lines


How do you tell from the photo whether it is a step-up or a step-down substation?

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Well, from the angle of the photo, I can't really tell. You can usually determine the voltage on the towers by counting the number of insulators between the wire and the cross arm. Those things which look like two short poles with a beam across the top are bus bars and don't have any insulators - the tall pole in the front should have insulators on it.

I made the assumption that mrbass was near something that was a real power plant but the guard (there's always a guard these days) made him choose a nearby spot (as he said).

If the substation is next to the plant, it is likely stepping up the power from the plant for distribution to the consumers (high-voltage provides for less loss of energy while being transmitted over distance - anywhere up to 768,000v on the line). A substation near a community or factory is much more likely to be used to step down the electricity for distribution throughout the community (and then stepped down a number of additional times - including on the local pole on your street - to get it down to 220v).
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No there's no guard here. Guard is at a power plant a mile down the road from here. I really don't think it's all that dangerous. They didn't put up a 12 foot wall until about 8 months ago. So even kids could have been playing around here until they sealed it off.

Here's what it looks like (couple years ago before they built the wall around it) from google earth.
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Surely there's a fence around the equipment - that was what I was referring to as the containment fence. Inside the fence, you are at risk of electrocution.
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What's wrong with you people!!!! Can't any of you see the beautiful girl in the front of the picture!!!
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Thank you Peter!

Glad someone said what I was thinking.

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What's wrong with you people!!!! Can't any of you see the beautiful girl in the front of the picture!!!



Judging by the photos I'd say that there's a fence around the substation. Interesting stuff RaDiKal... How close do you have to get to one of those transformers before they arc and fry you?

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OK, first off: Hey look, a cute model; hey look, a great game; hey look, a huge substation (in that order - I'm not dead you know).

Electricity travels through air based on the difference in potential between the two points (# volts, higher=further), the humidity of the air (higher=further), the density of the air (# atmospheres, lower=further), and finally the shape of the two points. As a very general rule of thumb, in normal humidity at sea level one should see around 1cm per 25Kvolts. So, a 756Kv line could jump as little as 30cm (~ 1Ft) or as far as where you're standing right now

The usual minimum safe distance is four meters (~12Ft).

Many countries provide a standard 'safe approach breakdown voltage' table which shows how close one can get depending on a number of factors.

You can Google for more info - time to get back to the cute models...er, the games.
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Hey look, the guy on the game box seems to be touching that charming young woman very inappropriatelly! Lucky bastard.
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Yeah, you know, my first two thoughts (in order) on seeing this picture were:

#1 - OK, there's that cute girl again.
#2 - Hey, that's no power plant! That's a substation!

I don't know whether step up or down. But rule of thumb:
* Big fossil-fuel-burning thing with chimneys = power plant.
* Lots of metal lumps (tranformers for those who care) connected by wires = substation

When you pay your 11 elektros to connect Trier to Saardbrücken, you are paying for two substations and a bunch of copper wire on trestles. When you pay 20 elektros for the ability to convert three lumps of coal into 5 cities worth of power, you're buying a power plant.

Now about the cute girl...
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So...does she play? The boardgame that is...
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Hey, I found this image while looking for pictures of hot substations... anyway I know it's already been proven that this is a substation, but most powerstations also have switchyards which, when taken out of context, look pretty much the same as substations.

Outside the perimeter there's still the chance of a dangerous 'step voltage' where the electric field potential (voltage) differs significantly between each foot. This can result in a nasty current between the legs! For this reason, there's usually an earth grid under the soil for some distance beyond the fence. Badly or unearthed metal, like wires in a fence, can also be at a different potential to the ground. Substation design aims to eliminate these dangers (mainly for the benefits of wandering livestock but it helps out humans too).



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I think that if that(the girl holding the gamebox) was the cover on the gamebox, it would sell a few more copies than the cartoony guy turning a knob. Am I right? The bland box is always a turn off for most who look at purchasing a game such as it at the FLGS.
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I think that if that(the girl holding the gamebox) was the cover on the gamebox, it would sell a few more copies than the cartoony guy turning a knob. Am I right? The bland box is always a turn off for most who look at purchasing a game such as it at the FLGS.


I've thought the same thing. The guy in the lab coat turning a knob just screams dork to me.

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so who is this gaming 'model' that since the user approved image system was instituted has allowed her to grace our pages?
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My thought exactly Peter.
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    Sales would skyrocket if she actually delivered the game to your house.
    That being said, she is more than far enough from the substation. A good look shows a metal fence that is much closer than she is.

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So who is this gaming 'model' that since the user approved image system was instituted has allowed her to grace our pages?


She is the sister of the guy who uploaded the picture - mrbass. And I believe she is a professional model, actually (or an aspiring one).
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I guess the magazine cover paid better, but I don't think I would even notice it even if I bought the magazine.

The game pic is far better in all aspects: unsual topic, bright colors, cute, natural girl plus a setting that matches the topic.
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Congratulations to your sister, mrbass! Hopefully, this will be her big break into a successful modeling career.
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What is wrong with picture is that the lady in the photo has a tan. She obviously has other things to do than to play games day and night under flourescent lights. I think that the Geek should investigate this apparent breech.
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I think it just took them that long to get the photo right. "Just a little to the left this time, dear."
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There is not power station visible, just power lines behind.

And I see one small problem in the photo itself - Funkenschlag is holded on wrong side - look at the hard shadow on promoter.
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The problem with this picture is that the model is dressed for the "Through the Desert" shoot.

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Is the game named Power Plant? No, it's Power *Grid*. Substations are definitely an integral part of the grid.
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But the caption of the picture says it's a power plant.
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Whoa! You guys are right. There IS a power station in the picture.
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RaDiKal wrote:
A substation transfers power by stepping up voltage for more efficient transmission along the transmission lines


I am curious about relative the efficiencies of high versus low voltage lines. Can you or anyone else reading this thread point me to some sort of online document that shows power loss as a function of line length and voltage?

OR, better yet, what is the equation relating these variables?


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No there's no guard here. ...

Here's what it looks like (couple years ago before they built the wall around it) from google earth.


Ah, goode-olde Google Eart....
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I am curious about relative the efficiencies of high versus low voltage lines. Can you or anyone else reading this thread point me to some sort of online document that shows power loss as a function of line length and voltage?

OR, better yet, what is the equation relating these variables?



(1) P_lost = (P_trans / V)^2 * rho * L / A

Examining the power, P, loss in the conductor due to resistance
(2) P_lost = I^2 * rho * L / A
where I is current (in the conductor), rho is resistivity (of the conductor), L is length, A is cross sectional area.

To transmit any given power, stepping up the voltage will lower the current required for that power transmission via

(3) P_trans = V * I

Doubling the tranmission voltage will halve the transmitted current (third equation) which leads to a quartering of the power loss in the conductor due to resistance (second equarion). Power losses increase linearly with length. This ignores the effects you would get from resistive heating which would arise with large currents which would then lead to higher resistance and thus more power loss.

Efficiency would be, of course,

(4) Eff = (P_trans - P_lost) / P_trans

Lower voltagss tend to be somewhat safer as they are less able to drive a current through a human but they also require thicker wires to avoid heating and this means they are also stiffer, heavier and more expensive. House fires due to electrical problems kill far more people than electrocution so I wonder if the yanks' 110 V system is a mistake,
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That model has made me want to buy that game.
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Is she a model? I thought she was a player of the game...disappointing to know.
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That model has made me want to buy that game.


Does the mathematical model I described excite you that much?
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ososnilknarf wrote:
What's wrong with you people!!!! Can't any of you see the beautiful girl in the front of the picture!!!



When the "this is a substation" discussion started, I suddenly realised that people have miss understood the caption under this photo.
The word powerstation does not refer to the equipment in the back but rather to the girl.

Some kind of code if you will.

So now go, read it again and see if you can figure it out.

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got it?

I reckon this is the photographers soon after ex girlfriend.

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