I agree. Beautiful women have NO place on BGG. Who'd want to look at them anyway?
ptper wrote:
Why was this approved? This seems like a display of a dissapointing aspect of BGG. There's private user collections for stuff like this.
Kakaris! good to see you back
I'm just curious if we should start posting picures of male models holding pieces from games that aren't even the one in question. That way the women would have a place to post their catcalls as well (of course, we do have the cat pictures for catcalls ). Then I'll start posting various pictures of actresses with cubes photoshopped in... and getting geekgold for it while someone else's picture of an actual game is rejected.
I like BGG mostly because the people here are for the most part mature adults (and the game resources are great too!). Oogling over girly pictures seems something best reserved for more descreet areas of the web, not on BGG's front page (which is also viewed by countless visitors who then get a "great" idea of what the site's members are like).
Why was this approved? This seems like a display of a dissapointing aspect of BGG. There's private user collections for stuff like this.
I have to agree. Other than she posed as a character in the game, there is nothing about the game to this picture. This gets approved, but the pictures I posted from a convention, with the two zombie players dressed up as actually zombies (with game board, etc.. in picture) gets denied because there was no relevance?
I agree with the previous poster: An overall irrelevant pic makes it pass the geekmod while slightly off-topic yet completely game relevant pics are denied. There needs to be a button to allow pictures to be resubmitted for relevancy and quality. I bet the number of pictures on BGG would drop by more than 50% if they were openly moderated in a forum setting (the number of blurry pictures that I see accepted drives me crazy).
Your opinions on who is hot and who is not are fascinating. I hope you will take time to offer more of them on other pictures. Can you also rate males for us? I can't distinguish "hotness" in a guy because I am too uber-hetero-macho. Please help.
Why was this approved? This seems like a display of a dissapointing aspect of BGG. There's private user collections for stuff like this.
I have to agree. Other than she posed as a character in the game(my emphasis. oz), there is nothing about the game to this picture. This gets approved, but the pictures I posted from a convention, with the two zombie players dressed up as actually zombies (with game board, etc.. in picture) gets denied because there was no relevance?
I would say that posing for the game is MORE than enough! It is not some little bit...it is HUGE in the world of gaming. How many games use photos as opposed to drawings? The fact that they went "live action" gives every actor they used a reason to have a pic in with the game. Why is it relevant? Because where real people are involved it is nice to see them as themselves and not just as "Jenny" for instance. And ANY suggestion that this is some sort of "game porn" is ridiculous! Seriously...some of the things people go on about...
Now...I have to go get this picture blown up to life size at the print shop to put on my ceiling.
Why was this approved? This seems like a display of a dissapointing aspect of BGG. There's private user collections for stuff like this.
I have to agree. Other than she posed as a character in the game(my emphasis. oz), there is nothing about the game to this picture. This gets approved, but the pictures I posted from a convention, with the two zombie players dressed up as actually zombies (with game board, etc.. in picture) gets denied because there was no relevance?
I would say that posing for the game is MORE than enough! It is not some little bit...it is HUGE in the world of gaming. How many games use photos as opposed to drawings? The fact that they went "live action" gives every actor they used a reason to have a pic in with the game. Why is it relevant? Because where real people are involved it is nice to see them as themselves and not just as "Jenny" for instance. And ANY suggestion that this is some sort of "game porn" is ridiculous! Seriously...some of the things people go on about...
Exactly my thoughts. Especially seeing as how she doesn't look "exactly" as the character in the game looks. I thought of it as "Game-behind-the-scenes."
Now, if she were dressed in a bikini or something, or in a sexy pose, I don't think I would have submitted a photo like that here. Taken photos, yes.
Besides, she was wearing more clothes that day than she does in the pictures in the game.
Seriously, I am not condoning the behavior, but how many geeky boys have you hung out with? These guys are not giving cat calls in person because they are too shy and would piss their pants, so they have to do it online. Remember revenge of the nerds? On the other hand, there are pictures of overweight men and this group gives them the double barreled treatment. I would not call that equality I would call that ignorant.
I try to ignore the stupid and move on to the articles that matter. I only posted to support you in your comments. The problem with the Internet is it is too close to real life....full of jerks.
The funny thing is this women showed up at a gaming convention and beat the pants off these same guys they would probably cry for days...screaming "I got beat by a girl!!!!"
a) The photo is of the actress that the game character was based on. Therefore, it is by definition relevant.
b) The photo is not offensive, since it is basically her head and arm/hand only.
c) The number of thumbs the photo is getting is what is creepy. It reeks of antisocial dorks going gaga over anything remotely feminine and is what pushes female gamers away (as has been discussed a lot).
d) I would have disliked the image because of this carry-over distasteful feeling from that, except it's a Travelling Drake picture. One of the better ones, in fact.
* If everyone else is thumbing it because of TD, that's cool. * If it's because of the actress, there are better pictures of here already posted that are much more thematic and in-connection with the game. * If it's because "OMG - she's a pretty girl", that's not cool.
Why was this approved? This seems like a display of a dissapointing aspect of BGG. There's private user collections for stuff like this.
I have to agree. Other than she posed as a character in the game(my emphasis. oz), there is nothing about the game to this picture. This gets approved, but the pictures I posted from a convention, with the two zombie players dressed up as actually zombies (with game board, etc.. in picture) gets denied because there was no relevance?
I would say that posing for the game is MORE than enough! It is not some little bit...it is HUGE in the world of gaming. How many games use photos as opposed to drawings? The fact that they went "live action" gives every actor they used a reason to have a pic in with the game. Why is it relevant? Because where real people are involved it is nice to see them as themselves and not just as "Jenny" for instance. And ANY suggestion that this is some sort of "game porn" is ridiculous! Seriously...some of the things people go on about...
I have to agree. This is not very different than having a picture of a designer or a publisher in a game forum. The fact the Last Night on Earth broke new ground by using actors in their artwork makes it that much MORE relevant in my opinion.
Just because she is attractive does not mean that her photo should be excluded simply because she is attractive! If this were a photo of the actor playing the Sheriff or the Priest, there would be no controversy. I really get kind of tired of people who get "outraged" by these kinds of things under the pretext of this being a site that kids see or that having this image in the database is some kind of moral slight on BGG.
It is a image of an attractive woman that was pictured on a large part of the game's artwork and components! ummm...so what?
Kids see stuff 10100 1000 times worse than this watching an hour of TV.
If we really must have some controversy, at least let's talk about something that really matters - like how Puerto Rico is totally overrated or how Railroad Tycoon is infinately better than Age of Steam.
a) The photo is of the actress that the game character was based on. Therefore, it is by definition relevant.
b) The photo is not offensive, since it is basically her head and arm/hand only.
c) The number of thumbs the photo is getting is what is creepy. It reeks of antisocial dorks going gaga over anything remotely feminine and is what pushes female gamers away (as has been discussed a lot).
d) I would have disliked the image because of this carry-over distasteful feeling from that, except it's a Travelling Drake picture. One of the better ones, in fact.
* If everyone else is thumbing it because of TD, that's cool. * If it's because of the actress, there are better pictures of here already posted that are much more thematic and in-connection with the game. * If it's because "OMG - she's a pretty girl", that's not cool.
I disagree that the number of thumbs for this is creepy. Personally, I'm not a fan of Heroscape and have never heard of the Travelling Drake thing. I agree the pic is relevant as an actress from the board game, and (I suspect like many people) thumbed it to support the OP versus the hyper-stuffy "grow up" crowd. The fact that a Heroscape fan did his running gag thing with a board game minor celeb is also cool. I appreciate the BGG community as quite tame and well-mannered as is. I don't see anything thus far in this picture or comments that would be considered shocking anywhere outside of Sunday School. I respectfully submit that those who do really need to pull the corn cob out. I mean, really!
Why was this approved? This seems like a display of a dissapointing aspect of BGG. There's private user collections for stuff like this.
I have to agree. Other than she posed as a character in the game(my emphasis. oz), there is nothing about the game to this picture. This gets approved, but the pictures I posted from a convention, with the two zombie players dressed up as actually zombies (with game board, etc.. in picture) gets denied because there was no relevance?
I would say that posing for the game is MORE than enough! It is not some little bit...it is HUGE in the world of gaming. How many games use photos as opposed to drawings? The fact that they went "live action" gives every actor they used a reason to have a pic in with the game. Why is it relevant? Because where real people are involved it is nice to see them as themselves and not just as "Jenny" for instance. And ANY suggestion that this is some sort of "game porn" is ridiculous! Seriously...some of the things people go on about...
I have to agree. This is not very different than having a picture of a designer or a publisher in a game forum. The fact the Last Night on Earth broke new ground by using actors in their artwork makes it that much MORE relevant in my opinion.
Just because she is attractive does not mean that her photo should be excluded simply because she is attractive! If this were a photo of the actor playing the Sheriff or the Priest, there would be no controversy. I really get kind of tired of people who get "outraged" by these kinds of things under the pretext of this being a site that kids see or that having this image in the database is some kind of moral slight on BGG.
It is a image of an attractive woman that was pictured on a large part of the game's artwork and components! ummm...so what?
Kids see stuff 10100 1000 times worse than this watching an hour of TV.
If we really must have some controversy, at least let's talk about something that really matters - like how Puerto Rico is totally overrated or how Railroad Tycoon is infinately better than Age of Steam.
That's not the issue that was brought up.
It's not about comparing BGG to TV. As a previous poster stated, his pictures were declined, even though they met all the requirements you stated. The fact is that the difference between the photos that got approved and those that got declined is the perceived level of "hotness" of the model that the character is based on. That is the issue I find troubling. Why are we using a person's attractiveness as a measurement of a BOARDGAME picture's worth?
Furthermore, if this was a standalone circumstance, people may be less inclined to come to this conclusion. However, there have been numerous posts on the "immaturity" or "chauvanistic" attitude of some BGG users (which is the case of most public forums on the internet). This just adds to the list. I wouldn't let kids read the sexually agressive comments about this picture, just like I wouldn't let them watch someone make these comments on TV or in the mall.
I have to agree. This is not very different than having a picture of a designer or a publisher in a game forum. The fact the Last Night on Earth broke new ground by using actors in their artwork makes it that much MORE relevant in my opinion.
Just because she is attractive does not mean that her photo should be excluded simply because she is attractive! If this were a photo of the actor playing the Sheriff or the Priest, there would be no controversy. I really get kind of tired of people who get "outraged" by these kinds of things under the pretext of this being a site that kids see or that having this image in the database is some kind of moral slight on BGG.
It is a image of an attractive woman that was pictured on a large part of the game's artwork and components! ummm...so what?
Kids see stuff 10100 1000 times worse than this watching an hour of TV.
If we really must have some controversy, at least let's talk about something that really matters - like how Puerto Rico is totally overrated or how Railroad Tycoon is infinately better than Age of Steam.
That's not the issue that was brought up.
It's not about comparing BGG to TV. As a previous poster stated, his pictures were declined, even though they met all the requirements you stated. The fact is that the difference between the photos that got approved and those that got declined is the perceived level of "hotness" of the model that the character is based on. That is the issue I find troubling. Why are we using a person's attractiveness as a measurement of a BOARDGAME picture's worth?
Furthermore, if this was a standalone circumstance, people may be less inclined to come to this conclusion. However, there have been numerous posts on the "immaturity" or "chauvanistic" attitude of some BGG users (which is the case of most public forums on the internet). This just adds to the list. I wouldn't let kids read the sexually agressive comments about this picture, just like I wouldn't let them watch someone make these comments on TV or in the mall.
But that's not what you originally posted, nor what I was responding too. You said:
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Why was this approved? This seems like a display of a dissapointing aspect of BGG. There's private user collections for stuff like this.
Clearly here your issue is not that something else was not approved over this photo. You seem to imply that the image should not be approved at all - not that it was approved over another "more worthy" image. Your tone is that because of her "hotness" (your words not mine), the image is innapropriate altogether and that is the only reason why it appears to have been approved at all. Did I misinterpret what you were suggesting?
Only later in the thread does another poster bring up the comparison of why his images were turned down, when in his opinion, they were more relevant.
There are two seperate arguements here:
The 1st is the one that you stated originally - this image should not have been approved at all and that it is inappropriate.
The 2nd is that modders seem to be favoring "hot" women photos over other, more relevant photos.
I totally agree with the 2nd arguement, though I don't see how that can change considering the system and the wide swath of personalities that do the modding.
I completely disagree with the 1st arguement however, and that is why I compared it to what is shown on television at any given time of day.
If this were a photo of the actor playing the Sheriff or the Priest, there would be no controversy.
But there *are* pictures of Doc Brody, and Doc Brody w/ Jenny that were approved, and yet they only garnered 5 and 7 thumbs respectively.
But don't you see? that IS my arguement.
There was no issue with the guys getting approved. But have someone post a very similar picture with an attractive woman and suddenly the morality of BGG is going to hell in a handbasket.
I mean seriously, are people so afraid that THAT picture is going to corrupt our kids or start a stampede to post pics of Victoria Secret models playing Puerto Rico on here? She was picked to be part of the game because she had a certain look for the role and it's kind of silly to throw arguements of "inappropriate" or "irrelevant" simply because she is attractive.
As far as the thumbs up issue goes, I really think that a lot of the thumbs came about AFTER the debate started. I know I did not give it a thumbs up until it was near 50 or so and I did so then because of the debate.
And yes, it's pretty much a given that a picture of a pretty girl is going to get a lot more thumbs up than a similar picture of a good looking guy will - simply because of the ratio of men/women here at BGG.
If you are going to use the comic at least give credit to xkcd.com and Randall - he deserves it.
I have nothing to do with that comic, but thanks anyway
And I also say: what is that pic doing in the "approved" section, let alone in the "recommended" one?? Must I conclude that most guys in BGG are still in puberty and get turned on as soon as something with breasts is on the screen?
The answer is yes, unfortunately, and so here are Randall's two best tips for you:
1: get a life. 2: don't ever look at, or eat, a cow. Four nipples is way too much for you too handle, obviously
I don't actually care about having pics of hot chicks here. I kind of like them. Actually, I'd encourage more of them. If you'll note in the thumbs log of the original picture I thumbed it very early even though I made the post with the Jessica Rabbit and Tex Avery videos and now with the Cool World one.
I have, in the past, made remarks about the language used in comments about said pics. I stand by those as I stand by my use of videos showing a geeky subject (animation of attractive women) and the guys (human and otherwise) that ogle them.
I love beauty in its various forms (a very subjective thing to be sure) and can appreciate some level of commentary to that effect. I was simply poking fun at the "wolfish" behavior that inevitably accompanies these pics here. Part of the reason for doing so was to point out that it might not be welcome by some and could put off some current and potential future members to the hobby. But on the other hand to also give credit for beauty where credit is due and recognize that we are human and will always be attracted to things that are attractive (duh).
Or maybe I just like posting videos of hot cartoon chicks on internet forums...
...Whatever... I will say that it's even better when they are kicking ass though....
AIRMASTER God damn I love that show... Seek it out. (cough!.. torrentfileisavailable... cough!)
Drool on my sexist comrades...Your behavior is disheartening.
Wait, which are the sexist comrades?
The ones that are in favor of the picture, simply because it shows a pretty girl, or the ones that are opposed to the picture, simply because it shows a pretty girl?
I, for one, am glad that people are finally taking a stand on the perverted filth that gets passed as content on BGG. The above photo goes way beyond the line. Look how this painted Jezebel leaves her shoulders, neck and hair completely uncovered...in public, no less! Look how she is out and about in some sort of gaming house instead of staying at home raising children, cleaning the house, or reading the Bible. And most disturbing of all, look how she brazenly stares directly at the camera instead of demurely lowering her eyes until given permission to speak.
I pray that more users speak out against the commie liberal atheist democrat pornographers that run BGG. I hope to see more pictures of clean, decent human beings on the site, such as this:
I would have approved it. Christina is part of the game's promotional program, and part of the culture around the game. Peripheral, but no problem.
I didn't realize that the convention center lighting made such nice "hair lights" (if you work in film you know what those are). It's a nicely composed shot and shows some of the interesting background too.
hacksword wrote:
I pray that more users speak out against the commie liberal atheist democrat pornographers that run BGG. I hope to see more pictures of clean, decent human beings on the site, such as this:
I don't know Hacksword, the two women on the right are eyeing each other with too much interest... It's indecent, I tell you!
If this were a photo of the actor playing the Sheriff or the Priest, there would be no controversy.
But there *are* pictures of Doc Brody, and Doc Brody w/ Jenny that were approved, and yet they only garnered 5 and 7 thumbs respectively.
But don't you see? that IS my arguement.
Then we're in agreement. It's not that the picture got approved, but the fact that there seems to be a contingent of people who thumbed what, in most cases, would be irrelevant to the subject matter for no other reason than it was a good looking female. In other words, even without the caption explaining the picture (Traveling Drake??), I have a hard time believing we'd have any less thumbs.
We are admittedly BoardGameGeeks. It's hard enough to dispel any earned/unearned stigma we already have ("out of the scope of BGG" T-shirts, anybody??), let alone having to dispel the notion that we're HardUpGeeks as well. We should be better than that.
I gave the picture a thumbs up. I don't see a problem with it. I'm sure we'd see many more pictures of both male and female models if there were more game designers using live action photography instead of art work.
I gave the picture a thumbs up. I don't see a problem with it. I'm sure we'd see many more pictures of both male and female models if there were more game designers using live action photography instead of art work.
That's very true but I doubt very highly (and by "doubt very highly" I mean "I am absolutely positive") the males would get anywhere near the thumbs this one did (is doing?) or other pics of females would.
I'm sure the thumb train will continue to roll down this set of tracks. Like I said though I thumbed it too so whatever.
It would be interesting to compare the thumbs between pictures tagged with JUST "guys" or "men" or "hunks" (just kidding. I doubt there's one of those though I'll check) vs those tagged with JUST "girls" or "babes" or whatever other tag for women might be out there.
As a matter of fact, I'm going to do that right now.
I have nothing to do with that comic, but thanks anyway
And I also say: what is that pic doing in the "approved" section, let alone in the "recommended" one?? Must I conclude that most guys in BGG are still in puberty and get turned on as soon as something with breasts is on the screen?
The answer is yes, unfortunately, and so here are Randall's two best tips for you:
1: get a life. 2: don't ever look at, or eat, a cow. Four nipples is way too much for you too handle, obviously
Well, here's another comic, this one by http://www.penny-arcade.com/ and it deals directly with how geeks might be able to handle multiple nipples (or not, depending on your point of view).
I have nothing to do with that comic, but thanks anyway
And I also say: what is that pic doing in the "approved" section, let alone in the "recommended" one?? Must I conclude that most guys in BGG are still in puberty and get turned on as soon as something with breasts is on the screen?
The answer is yes, unfortunately, and so here are Randall's two best tips for you:
1: get a life. 2: don't ever look at, or eat, a cow. Four nipples is way too much for you too handle, obviously
Well, here's another comic, this one by http://www.penny-arcade.com/ and it deals directly with how geeks might be able to handle multiple nipples (or not, depending on your point of view).
Don't get me wrong, the girl is OK looking, but not more. There's plenty of such material everywhere. In Buenos Aires, she'd even rank inadequate.
Thank you for your help in identifying just where on the hottie scale this woman's looks would lie. It is very difficult for me to decide for myself if she is more or less attractive than most women I have encountered.
I have a harder time deciding what guys are hot or not. You see, I am a bit of a homophobic uber-hetero macho guy and I can't quite open myself to the idea that a guy could be "OK looking" as you described this woman. Can you give some examples of "OK looking" guys so that I'll have a place to start? Would Brad Pitt look inadequate in Buenos Aires? What about Kiefer Sutherland? Where on the hottie scale does Jonny Depp lie? Does this change when you factor in the Buenos Aires population? Are you considered adequate in Buenos Aires? Are muttonchops in style there?
What I find amazing is how when people mention that the comments are childish or inappropriate, others immediately claim there is no issue with the picture.
To clarify: The issue isn't the picture -- whether it is relevant or not is besides the point. The issue is people going "hubba hubba!"
Does anyone remember/has a clip of the hotel clerk harrasing Homer and Marge? Or of the Monty Python "Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?"
Anyway, I have spilled enough e-ink on this, all to no avail...
What I find amazing is how when people mention that the comments are childish or inappropriate, others immediately claim there is no issue with the picture.
To clarify: The issue isn't the picture -- whether it is relevant or not is besides the point. The issue is people going "hubba hubba!"
Does anyone remember/has a clip of the hotel clerk harrasing Homer and Marge? Or of the Monty Python "Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?"
Anyway, I have spilled enough e-ink on this, all to no avail...
Alfredo Lorente
You have said it better than I did Alfredo. To be honest, I approve most of the pictures I geekmod, as I try to approve anything that *anybody* might find useful, not just something I think is cool. The issue I struggle with is when a picture like this comes around, it garners top "Hot pictures" billing and brings with it the chauvanistic and sexually charged comments which either directly or indirectly propagate sexual innuendo or a discussion on the relative hotness of the girl in the picture.
Either way, it is a very rude way to treat the female being pictured, and can scare many lurkers away as they are now seeing the same comments on the 'geek as they would on "ratemybody.com". It turns BGG into the equivalent of a steriotypical construction site, not the family friendly place that boardgaming is supposed to (or advertised to) be.
There was no issue with the guys getting approved. But have someone post a very similar picture with an attractive woman and suddenly the morality of BGG is going to hell in a handbasket.
Scott, nobody has made that connection at all. The closest anyone has got to that is Josh questioning why this image was approved.
It's not the image that's offensive... not even remotely. It's relevant, and even has a modicum of an in joke for someone. As far as I can see the photo is welcome to be here.
What's offensive is the combination of the disparate attention an image like this receives and the sexist comments underneath it.
dbuel wrote:
Sex isn't sexist.
Absolutely sex isn't sexist. And there's nothing offensive about this image. But a number of the comments in this thread are (flaggably) sexist offensive.
manowarplayer wrote:
Just because she is attractive does not mean that her photo should be excluded simply because she is attractive! [/b]If this were a photo of the actor playing the Sheriff or the Priest, there would be no controversy. I really get kind of tired of people who get "outraged" by these kinds of things under the pretext of this being a site that kids see or that having this image in the database is some kind of moral slight on BGG.
Scott I read every word in this thread and I didn't see anyone outraged by the photo.
frankinla wrote:
I agree the pic is relevant as an actress from the board game, and (I suspect like many people) thumbed it to support the OP versus the hyper-stuffy "grow up" crowd.
"stuffy"?
frankinla wrote:
I don't see anything thus far in this picture or comments that would be considered shocking anywhere outside of Sunday School.
I see quite a few phrases on this thread I certainly wouldn't utter to anyone I didn't know personally, and I can tell you exactly what kind of reaction I'd be likely to get if I did. But then, I guess I'm too stuffy to enjoy being fired slapped and fined.
If you wouldn't say it to her in person in company, it doesn't belong here either.
I've never heard ANY off-color remarks offered to a woman in her physical presence. Oh, no, never, not at all. All men become white-gloved, black-tied, top-hat wearing GOOD SIRS when in the company of the fairer sex.
"My lady . . . I could not help but notice how bountiful your bosom is. It rivals mine own in size yet exceeds mine supremely in beauty. It doth propel me to think untoward thoughts! Were you not in hearing distance, I wouldst proclaim "Hubba! Bubba!" and hence kick mine ownself across mine own head with mine own booted foot. I am . . . at your mercy, sweet bosomed lady. . . "
Why was this approved? This seems like a display of a dissapointing aspect of BGG. There's private user collections for stuff like this.
Because there is a double standard on here where the mods will shoot down any submission that they deem even the least bit irrelevant UNLESS said picture includes an attractive girl. It's pretty sad, really.
Because there is a double standard on here where the mods will shoot down any submission that they deem even the least bit irrelevant UNLESS said picture includes an attractive girl. It's pretty sad, really.
Speaking as someone who tends to get totally ticked off by the drool-reaction to photos of girls here, I consider this photo relevant (for reasons people state above) and would have approved it had I been modding. I've submitted the odd photo here and there which has needed a second go to get accepted, but others that might be "only tangentally relevant" have been accepted as per guidelines.
eg:
"After a hard day on the battlefield, sometimes you just want take away."
"Beware Geeks bearing gifts"... especially the legendary "Odin Rabbit"
There was no issue with the guys getting approved. But have someone post a very similar picture with an attractive woman and suddenly the morality of BGG is going to hell in a handbasket.
Scott, nobody has made that connection at all. The closest anyone has got to that is Josh questioning why this image was approved.
It's not the image that's offensive... not even remotely. It's relevant, and even has a modicum of an in joke for someone. As far as I can see the photo is welcome to be here.
What's offensive is the combination of the disparate attention an image like this receives and the sexist comments underneath it.
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I appreciate your point Joe, but in my interpretation of Josh's original comment...
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Why was this approved? This seems like a display of a dissapointing aspect of BGG. There's private user collections for stuff like this.
...he definately seems to be objecting to the photo because of it's content from a moral standpoint. If he was just commenting on the irrevelancy of the photo, I don't think he would have added the "dissapointing aspect of BBG" comment. Maybe I'm reading more into that than I should, but I really don't think so.
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dbuel wrote:
Sex isn't sexist.
Absolutely sex isn't sexist. And there's nothing offensive about this image. But a number of the comments in this thread are (flaggably) sexist offensive.
I completely agree with you Joe.
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manowarplayer wrote:
Just because she is attractive does not mean that her photo should be excluded simply because she is attractive! [/b]If this were a photo of the actor playing the Sheriff or the Priest, there would be no controversy. I really get kind of tired of people who get "outraged" by these kinds of things under the pretext of this being a site that kids see or that having this image in the database is some kind of moral slight on BGG.
Scott I read every word in this thread and I didn't see anyone outraged by the photo.
As I stated above, I believe Josh was - although you'll notice I did use " " to show that was my word and not anyone elses. In addition, I think that some of the comments afterwards attributed to the "outrage" as well.
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If you wouldn't say it to her in person in company, it doesn't belong here either.
What I find amazing is how when people mention that the comments are childish or inappropriate, others immediately claim there is no issue with the picture.
To clarify: The issue isn't the picture -- whether it is relevant or not is besides the point. The issue is people going "hubba hubba!"
Does anyone remember/has a clip of the hotel clerk harrasing Homer and Marge? Or of the Monty Python "Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?"
Anyway, I have spilled enough e-ink on this, all to no avail...
Alfredo Lorente
You have said it better than I did Alfredo. To be honest, I approve most of the pictures I geekmod, as I try to approve anything that *anybody* might find useful, not just something I think is cool. The issue I struggle with is when a picture like this comes around, it garners top "Hot pictures" billing and brings with it the chauvanistic and sexually charged comments which either directly or indirectly propagate sexual innuendo or a discussion on the relative hotness of the girl in the picture.
Either way, it is a very rude way to treat the female being pictured, and can scare many lurkers away as they are now seeing the same comments on the 'geek as they would on "ratemybody.com". It turns BGG into the equivalent of a steriotypical construction site, not the family friendly place that boardgaming is supposed to (or advertised to) be.
Josh,
If this is truly what you meant with your objection in your original post, then we are more in agreement than it initially seemed. I also do not care for the rude/crude/crass comments that follow whenever an image of a woman is posted on BGG. Your comment about a "disappointing aspect of BGG" seemed to be coming from the basis of a moral highground - which is why I objected to it. If that was not your intent, then I apologize.
However, I am not willing to try and predict how much or how little of the inappropriate commentary will occur in advance for a photo and decline it just because I fear that will happen, or regulate a picture to a user gallery as well. It really wouldn't matter much if this picture had been in a private gallery as the first time it was used somewhere, the results would have been the same - albeit maybe at a slower pace.
For me, BGG is all about the games and photos should be based on their revelancy - not on the fear of what comments they may generate. If a picture generates those comments, then the community should step in and raise their objections (which is what happened here).
I voted for the picture, because I am a huge fan of women, hot ones especially; more so of hot women holding one of my favorite HeroScape pieces. Yet still a bigger fan of hot women holding a favorite game piece at a game convention, while pushing a different game entirely.
So as you can see, the vote was a no-brainer for me. It's those qualities that I look for in a "great photo".
What I find amazing is how when people mention that the comments are childish or inappropriate, others immediately claim there is no issue with the picture.
To clarify: The issue isn't the picture -- whether it is relevant or not is besides the point. The issue is people going "hubba hubba!"
Does anyone remember/has a clip of the hotel clerk harrasing Homer and Marge? Or of the Monty Python "Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?"
Anyway, I have spilled enough e-ink on this, all to no avail...
Alfredo Lorente
You have said it better than I did Alfredo. To be honest, I approve most of the pictures I geekmod, as I try to approve anything that *anybody* might find useful, not just something I think is cool. The issue I struggle with is when a picture like this comes around, it garners top "Hot pictures" billing and brings with it the chauvanistic and sexually charged comments which either directly or indirectly propagate sexual innuendo or a discussion on the relative hotness of the girl in the picture.
Either way, it is a very rude way to treat the female being pictured, and can scare many lurkers away as they are now seeing the same comments on the 'geek as they would on "ratemybody.com". It turns BGG into the equivalent of a steriotypical construction site, not the family friendly place that boardgaming is supposed to (or advertised to) be.
Josh,
If this is truly what you meant with your objection in your original post, then we are more in agreement than it initially seemed. I also do not care for the rude/crude/crass comments that follow whenever an image of a woman is posted on BGG. Your comment about a "disappointing aspect of BGG" seemed to be coming from the basis of a moral highground - which is why I objected to it. If that was not your intent, then I apologize.
However, I am not willing to try and predict how much or how little of the inappropriate commentary will occur in advance for a photo and decline it just because I fear that will happen, or regulate a picture to a user gallery as well. It really wouldn't matter much if this picture had been in a private gallery as the first time it was used somewhere, the results would have been the same - albeit maybe at a slower pace.
For me, BGG is all about the games and photos should be based on their revelancy - not on the fear of what comments they may generate. If a picture generates those comments, then the community should step in and raise their objections (which is what happened here).
Now, back to gaming!
I think we have an accord sir man-o-war. The results of the picture are objectionable (to me), not the picture itself. However, I would recommend an alternate title for the picture which explains the Travelling Drake concept, as I would have probably declined this picture thinking that a Heroscape figure for another game doesn't make any sense.
Sorry to be rude, but I just have to express my observation that most of the times the people who are crying foul are the ones who should check their heads first.
I mean, seriously, if you see a picture of a pretty girl and several comments, noticing how beautiful she is, and you manage to see "gamer porn" and "objectifying of women" in all this, ..., well, Jesus, I think I can start crying that BoardGameGeek logo is offensive to me, because I might have sick sexual fantasies about that blonde dude, and if I can have them, then any little kid can, and, oh the horror, whole world will drown in the perversion because of that logo
I oppose the types of comments that degrade women.
But I also will be willing to admit to the fact that when I see a picture of beatiful woman, I think "WOW" in my head.
The question that is relevant to BGG is,
Do the portrayals of women in board games lead us to focus more or less on the purely external qualities of women?
Personally, I am inclined to say that the responses to this completely harmless picture are an example of the fact that many BGGs have spent a few too many hours looking at scantily-clad, unrealistic depictions of women in many of their favorite board games.
Further question:
How can i teach my son or daughter Runebound, and not expect them to be affected negatively by the portrayal of Red Scorpion or Sillhouette?
And no, I don't want to replace all fantasy figs with cubes....
But can't a hero, male or female, be portrayed as average?
or should all men be expected to have hulk-like muscles, and all women expected to have Lara Croft's comic/bg build?
Sorry about the rant.
I have to say something.
I feel like we should make improvements for the next generation, not let more slide.
Final question:
How can we use games to help people look at people and keep the person's outer beauty in perspective?
Can Aldie just hurry up and create a "men's only spa" forum for this place so that these people who are so offended by pictures of any woman more attractive than their mother can go and hang out there in peace?
You didn't read more than two words of this thread, did you Frank? Or are you being deliberately sensationalist because you enjoy exaccerbating conflict?
Can Aldie just hurry up and create a "men's only spa" forum for this place so that these people who are so offended by pictures of any woman more attractive than their mother can go and hang out there in peace?
You didn't read more than two words of this thread, did you Frank? Or are you being deliberately sensationalist because you enjoy exaccerbating conflict?
And then read on. Turns out it was mostly a straightforward question, followed by a statement presupposing an answer. The poster later clarifies he doesn't find the image itself objectionable.
What is offensive is witnessing so many geeks fetishize a photo of a beautiful woman. It's just a woman! There are women this beautiful all over the place! They're not hard to find! Just try not to yell "Wowwee! Bring me dinner!" everytime you see one.
The fact that this is quickly becoming one of the hottest photos on the site is kind of a pathetic statement. (At least Magic Girl is also a funny photo which is relevant to the game -- there's nothing to appreciate in this one except for the pretty girl and its relevance is minimal.)
I didn't scroll through all the comments in the thread so this might have been addressed, but isn't she the actual character from the game, and not simply some model dressed like the character who is appearing at a convention? See, if you play the game, you'll note that they use actual photographs of real people (except of course for the zombies)and I think (though I might be wrong) that she actually is the model on the cards for the specific character. So, in this case, while she may or may not be a hot chick (I think she's very cute personally), her photo is relevant because she is part of the game itself, in addition to being a hot chick.
Can Aldie just hurry up and create a "men's only spa" forum for this place so that these people who are so offended by pictures of any woman more attractive than their mother can go and hang out there in peace?
My mother is way hotter than this woman.
Although, she has been dead for 24 years now, so would probably look more like the zombies...
My name is Glenn! Long have I carried Cyrus's hopes and dreams, and now I bear the Masamune as well! Henceforth, I claim them as my own! I shall slay the Fiendlord Magus and restore our honor!
This image is pointless beyond belief. Last I checked, if I wanted to look at hot women there are one or two other sites on the internet I can go to. I come to BGG to get info on games and gaming. Ridiculous how many thumbs this gets.
Yes and no. I could understand if she was a random booth babe. But she is "in" the game... which makes it "relevant to my interests."
I mean being good looking doesn't hurt, but I find it interesting that the models that they have on the cover / designed characters in the game for are also at the conventions is neat.
I gave it an extra thumb to spite the idiots complaining about a single picture on a website that has everything to do with the game it's posted under. The BEST thing about Flying Frog is their use of photography and arrangement instead of drawings like everyone else. Seeing a model out of character is interesting, especially since it has some significance to the hobby outside of her character with Drake.
Go get more involved in your hobby instead of bashing on people posting a picture of a fully-clothed woman online.
I thought she looked friendlier than that Becky who has this jealousy *thing* going with Johnny and Jake. Man, you should've seen what happened in Woodinvale last time the ZOMBIES came to town - sheesh - Jake tried to be "the man" and got crunched (or is that munched?) trying to paste a group of Z's . Johnny tried too - he splintered the baseball bat trying to be the hero and take down the boss-Z-man. Sally (the "Ice Queen") showed him! - she just says "Bite me!" and whacked the Z's with the cleaver ...
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Seeing "Jenny" (or the person who was used in photographs of "Jenny") is nice. It "adds" to the "story" around the game where we suspend reality for a moment and "play". In our games we imagine all the guys in the game do "heroic" stuff when the gals are around. Maybe seeing a photo of "Jenny" will change the way some people play her character and add to the "story". Maybe not. Let's all sit down, have a nice cup of tea and play!
I'd like to thank you all for this tempest in a teacup. Reading through it was a source of great amusement.
Never ceases to amaze me what random foolishness people will argue over. So a picture of an attractive actress that was in a game got a lot of thumbs. Color me shocked...shocked, I tell you! You mean that people out there might just happen to find her attractive? And ZOMG, the pic got thumbs! All Hell's broken loose!
Seriously...if this is the kind of thing that breaks your day and upsets you to the point of posting an entry decrying people who gave a thumb to a picture, might want to check priorities and recalibrate.
Seriously...if this is the kind of thing that breaks your day and upsets you to the point of posting an entry decrying people who gave a thumb to a picture, might want to check priorities and recalibrate.
Doesn't the same apply to your post? Or mine? Damn it!
The fact the Last Night on Earth broke new ground by using actors in their artwork makes it that much MORE relevant in my opinion.
If no one can cite any other example then at least HeroCard Nightmare came out a few months before LNoE, so while the idea may have arisen independently the ground had already been broken.
The fact the Last Night on Earth broke new ground by using actors in their artwork makes it that much MORE relevant in my opinion.
If no one can cite any other example then at least HeroCard Nightmare came out a few months before LNoE, so while the idea may have arisen independently the ground had already been broken.
Eh, maybe released a few months before LNoE, but when did development begin for these two games?
This woman is holding a Heroscape mini for Pete's sake. How does that pic in any way help a person who's considering buying this game?
Hot chick or not, it's painfully aggravating that BGG will allow a picture to be posted that has nothing to do with the game. Yet whenever I try to upload a picture of a game being played with its real components, it usually gets rejected for bizarre reasons.
It would be like if I submitted the following image into the Puerto Rico forum and it got approved and got a zillion thumbs :
I fully expect this post to eventually be removed by an admin.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals." Agent K. Oh my what he would think of people had he known about what the internet would become.....
Greedo wrote:
This woman is holding a Heroscape mini for Pete's sake. How does that pic in any way help a person who's considering buying this game?
Hot chick or not, it's painfully aggravating that BGG will allow a picture to be posted that has nothing to do with the game. Yet whenever I try to upload a picture of a game being played with its real components, it usually gets rejected for bizarre reasons.
It would be like if I submitted the following image into the Puerto Rico forum and it got approved and got a zillion thumbs :
I fully expect this post to eventually be removed by an admin.
I'll quote it so they have to delete two posts.
I completely agree with you. Just this morning I tried to submit a few photos from a FFG preview and it got rejected "because you aren't supposed to submit picture of every card/figure". I am not sure how 3 card from a DECK BUILDING GAME constitutes every card or even close but whatever.
Image moderation on this site is so erratic I think they just use RNG's to figure it out.
. Johnny tried too - he splintered the baseball bat trying to be the hero and take down the boss-Z-man. Sally (the "Ice Queen") showed him! - she just says "Bite me!" and whacked the Z's with the cleaver ... 
