i think the wording would be better served as "reveal up to 2 copies of the same card from your hand. Return them to the supply..." etc.
that way people aren't asking if you can or can't return the one you revealed.
Not quite the same, actually. As written on the card, you can return zero cards; with your rewrite, you can't. (Situation where you might want to: It's the early game, where you're still trying to break the 5 barrier. You draw Ambassador-Silver-Copper-Copper-Copper, so you play Ambassador to dilute everyone else's deck with a Copper but don't return any so you can still buy a 5-cost card.)
Interesting card. The chances are remote, but this introduces an interesting scenario.
Two piles in supply empty. Active player plays Ambassador and reveals card who's supply is empty, and returns 1 or 2 cards. Enough other players play a moat such that card returned stays in the supply. Active player purchases another card depleting that supply. Game continues.
Just interesting that you can theoretically be able to switch empty supply piles.
i think the wording would be better served as "reveal up to 2 copies of the same card from your hand. Return them to the supply..." etc.
that way people aren't asking if you can or can't return the one you revealed.
Not quite the same, actually. As written on the card, you can return zero cards; with your rewrite, you can't. (Situation where you might want to: It's the early game, where you're still trying to break the 5 barrier. You draw Ambassador-Silver-Copper-Copper-Copper, so you play Ambassador to dilute everyone else's deck with a Copper but don't return any so you can still buy a 5-cost card.)
sorry, then "...you MAY return them to the supply..."
Like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be recovered, so we must die. But God does not take away life; instead, he devises ways so that a banished person may not remain estranged from him. 2 Sam 14:14
truekid wrote:
GregF wrote:
truekid wrote:
i think the wording would be better served as "reveal up to 2 copies of the same card from your hand. Return them to the supply..." etc.
that way people aren't asking if you can or can't return the one you revealed.
Not quite the same, actually. As written on the card, you can return zero cards; with your rewrite, you can't. (Situation where you might want to: It's the early game, where you're still trying to break the 5 barrier. You draw Ambassador-Silver-Copper-Copper-Copper, so you play Ambassador to dilute everyone else's deck with a Copper but don't return any so you can still buy a 5-cost card.)
sorry, then "...you MAY return them to the supply..."
Wording is fine as is. I really don't understand your issue with it.
I reveal a curse. I can put 0, 1, or 2 curses back into the supply. Everyone else takes a curse, pending reaction cards.
Question: I am playing a four player game. There are no more X on the table (where X represents some card type). I play this card and return 1 X to the table. Each other player has to pick up 1 X from the table. Who gets the only X? Player to my left - or a player of my choosing?
This is already addressed on page 6 in the rules of the Base set:
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If an ability of a card affects multiple players, and the order matters, resolve that ability for each affected player in turn order, starting with the player whose turn it is.
that way people aren't asking if you can or can't return the one you revealed.
That shouldn't be any kind of an issue. When you reveal a card it stays in your hand, just like with Moat and Secret Chamber. So it's still in your hand and thus available to return to the supply.
That's a big defining difference between revealing a card and playing/discarding/trashing the card. It's still in your hand.
that way people aren't asking if you can or can't return the one you revealed.
That shouldn't be any kind of an issue. When you reveal a card it stays in your hand, just like with Moat and Secret Chamber. So it's still in your hand and thus available to return to the supply.
That's a big defining difference between revealing a card and playing/discarding/trashing the card. It's still in your hand.
I agree that reveal is one of the keys to deciphering this card, but the ambiguity in wording is in the wording "copy of it". Is "it" a string variable that's filled in with the name of the card or is "it" the card itself?
One means you need 3 cards in your hand to discard 2 and the other only 2. I believe either could be convincingly argued for.
Our group has gone with the interpretation that the intent is you only need two cards to discard two cards, but I'm going to have to agree with Truekid that the wording is ambiguous.
