Wonder what the Pan-Galactic Mediator will be like.
I'm guessing some kind of souped-up Contact Specialist.
Some calculated guesses:
- it will be a development; - it will give you a penalty to your military; - it will allow you to place military world without actually conquering it by military force; - there will be 2 copies in the Brink of War.
Does positive military count against this? I can read it either way.
I'm only guessing, but I think that just the negatives are counted for this calculation; positives won't count against it. The condition reads "total negative Military" rather than "negative total military".
Wonder what the Pan-Galactic Mediator will be like.
- it will be a development; - it will give you a penalty to your military; - it will allow you to place military world without actually conquering it by military force; - there will be 2 copies in the Brink of War.
I like where this expansion is going!
Well, the dev symbol makes it clear it's a dev. I think you're probably right that it will give you some negative military, but that's a bit weird, because then it will count for 2 different VP conditions on this one 6-cost dev, which the game has so far managed to avoid by using the term "other", e.g. "other Military worlds". I suppose it could be a Contact Specialist that provides a bigger discount, but that seems a little boring -- I hope it's more interesting than that. Maybe Pan-glactic Mediator will work on Alien worlds.
Well, the dev symbol makes it clear it's a dev. I think you're probably right that it will give you some negative military, but that's a bit weird, because then it will count for 2 different VP conditions on this one 6-cost dev, which the game has so far managed to avoid by using the term "other", e.g. "other Military worlds". I suppose it could be a Contact Specialist that provides a bigger discount, but that seems a little boring -- I hope it's more interesting than that. Maybe Pan-glactic Mediator will work on Alien worlds.
Heh, I guess it being a dev is more than a calculated guess then!
As for the double bonus, note that Pan Galactic League gives 3 points for having a Contact Specialist. Universal Peace Institute would also give 3 points for the Mediator if the latter had the -1 military penalty, so it's a possibility.
The card does NOT say "including this card". Seems like an oversight, no, as all other 6-cost devs as appropriate have mentioned that the card itself is also worth points?
The card does NOT say "including this card". Seems like an oversight, no, as all other 6-cost devs as appropriate have mentioned that the card itself is also worth points?
Its evil twin New Galactic Order doesn't explicitly mention that it scores points for itself.
The card does NOT say "including this card". Seems like an oversight, no, as all other 6-cost devs as appropriate have mentioned that the card itself is also worth points?
It doesn't need to... your total military is your total military. the -2 always applies to your total military, so it will always be part of the end game score, if your overall military is negative at the end.
Didn't notice that NGO seems to have it's own "convention". In double quotes b/c that's b/c all the 6-cost cards that score for itself exlicitly mention that, that doesn't necessary imply a convention was set.
Boycat-OH wrote:
jdludlow wrote:
Does positive military count against this? I can read it either way.
I don't think so... it says count total negative military as positive points, so if you have 0 military or positive military it wouldn't count.
I love this card, as I think some additional benefit to the -1 military worlds and developments really adds to that aspect of the game.
Yeah, that's my take on the wording as well.
E.g. You have Drop Ships, Universal Peace Institute, Refugee World, Contact Specialist, and New Galactic Order, your score for the 6-cost military portions will be 4pts for UPI + and 1pt for NGO.
According to the Pan-Galactic Mediator you're all right. You all have valid points to bring to the discussion, and while the mediator doesn't want to unnecessarily curtail the creative spirit and enterprise of any of these much valued opinions they think it may be a pertinent time to swap the white hat for a little bit of green or black hat talk for a post or two...
Not that they want to seem like they are taking control of the discussion in any way, just see them as a facilitator, a friend with a collection of fun hats, heartfelt puppy eyes, ready ears and a shoulder in case anyone needs it.
I think you are making the card too complicated. You can't have both a negative and positive military. In ackmondual's example, you have a military of +1, so Peace Institute scores nothing, and NGO scores 1. It would be an exceptionally bad combination of cards to have in your tableau.
I think you are making the card too complicated. You can't have both a negative and positive military. In ackmondual's example, you have a military of +1, so Peace Institute scores nothing, and NGO scores 1. It would be an exceptionally bad combination of cards to have in your tableau.
Discussion of the new stuff is fragmented among these image comments and a couple of different threads on the forums. So, in case you missed it, Tom settles this question here Only total military matters, and, in this case where you have UPI and a total military of +1, you get negative 1 VP. (But you'd also get one VP from NGO, so it's a wash.)
I think you are making the card too complicated. You can't have both a negative and positive military. In ackmondual's example, you have a military of +1, so Peace Institute scores nothing, and NGO scores 1. It would be an exceptionally bad combination of cards to have in your tableau.
Discussion of the new stuff is fragmented among these image comments and a couple of different threads on the forums. So, in case you missed it, Tom settles this question here Only total military matters, and, in this case where you have UPI and a total military of +1, you get negative 1 VP. (But you'd also get one VP from NGO, so it's a wash.)
Thematically, it makes perfect sense. The wording however is rather poor. However, if the rulebook covers this, then I suppose all is forgiven. That, and I will acknowledge that there's only so much space on each of these cards.
I actually came up with this card's idea. Originally I was thinking like a variation of NGO that would give -2X points where X is your military (as there are not so many negative military powers). Then I thought that -2 settlecost would be a proper power for it.
Ville (Xodan here) then entered in the competition with it. I entered with other card.
