That is 100% correct - it is not. You can play with just the basic set, and you are in no less position than your opponent at any time. In fact, even if your opponent owns ALL of the available cards from all of the sets and promos, and you only have the base set, you are still on exact, equal terms each and ever game.
Regardless of how much or how little you own, one can never suffer from having to play against the guy who has everything x3 (unlike Warhammer: Invasion). That clearly distinguishes Dominion from the realm of a CCG.
Your attempt at sarcasm, while valiant, fails - (if in fact that was what you were trying to accomplish).
I bought the Warhammer: Invasion base set, thinking I would be able to play against others at the FLGS. Ha! Little did I understand that it was, in fact, a CCG, even though they try to pass it off as an LCG. The fact that my opponents all bought three copies each of the base game just to maximize their ownership of the really good cards, then also got 3 copies of each expansion, meant that my base game box was about as useful as a rear-view mirror on a tank.
It's a card game. And don't you collect all of it? So it is a CCG. It just comes sold in full sets.
Really, how many Dominion Fan-Boys can stop with just the base set or 1 expansion. Copying a phrase from Pokemon
"You Gotta Catch 'Em All!"
You're engaged?! Congrats to you and Passionate!
Oh and as for Dominion as a CCG, well I guess technically you are correct, but we both know that's not what is meant by the phrase CCG. I was just throwing out a tounge-in-cheek comment on how this extremely successful self contained card game continues to pour out expansion after expansion, and yet it isn't actually a CCG.
I mustn't be a fanboy cause I have Intrigue, Seaside and the promos but not the base set or Alchemy.
Point being: No randomized packs, furthermore never a reason to buy multiple copies of the same thing (which is still a feature of some LCGs, even if randomization is not).
Fundamentally though: If there is a group of 4 people who want to play Dominion, only one of them needs to own Dominion. If they want to play magic (at least as it is designed to be played), that normally involves all 4 of them buying in; that's a fundamentally different marketing model.
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GeneSteeler wrote:
tiggers wrote:
Dominion is not a CCG.
It's a card game. And don't you collect all of it? So it is a CCG. It just comes sold in full sets.
Really, how many Dominion Fan-Boys can stop with just the base set or 1 expansion. Copying a phrase from Pokemon
"You Gotta Catch 'Em All!"
I guess Carcassonne is a CTG (Collectible Tile Game) then...
Each Dominion pack is advertised for the next set of qualities that it brings to the table. For example, cards that focus on the next turn or aggression with your opponent. One does not have the "full" game unless one buys each expansion.
One could sit down and pull out two Magic the Gathering pre made decks and have the same experience. No more cards to buy and you can be happy as a clam...that is unless you want the next set of cards that focus on _____ and etc.
Sure everyone plays the same game in Dominion but one can do this in a collectible realm as well, but after the first expansion (2nd, 3rd, promos, etc.) I fail to see the difference any more. Especially when each exp. is almost 30 dollars. That can be a lot of CCG cards both in exp. packs and from online auctions.
Just to many similarities to CCG's save one. No international tournament play with dominion, but you do not have to be a tournament playing CCG player either. Only with tourney players does one run into the crazy collector, for the most part.
All comes down to theme and the mechanics one enjoys.
Let's see... how much have I spent on Dominion this far? that would be about 100€ in 2 years.
Definitely NOT a CCG.
Exactly. You can get everything published for Dominion so far (base, Intrigue, Seaside, Alchemy) for $99 online. A single box of Magic boosters is $88. Most people who play CCGs, even casually, probably spend a few hundred dollars a year.
baymonkey wrote:
Each Dominion pack is advertised for the next set of qualities that it brings to the table. For example, cards that focus on the next turn or aggression with your opponent. One does not have the "full" game unless one buys each expansion.
I just don't see how expansions make something "collectible." Are FFG games, such as Descent or Arkham Horror, collectible? They have as many expansions as Dominion and cost far, far more. What about Commands & Colors: Ancients? Agricola? Also multiple expansions and more total expense to buy.
Love the picture, but it dramatically points out one of the biggest irks I have with the game - the inconsistent artwork. Too many styles and varying quality detracts from the game for me - especially for the price.
BASICS: Everyone picks the marketplace ten together (or random). Everyone decides which variants together. Those ten and those variants are enough for every player.
Therefore:
If any one player brings an expansion to the table, nobody has a disadvantage due to availability of 'good' cards.
I personally thought that the reason people liked CCGs* was because it was possible to have an advantage over other players before you decide turn order, due to the fact that before a CCG starts, every player believes that they have the best deck.
*besides rubbing a $700 victory in a 13 year old's crying face.
All CCG/not-a-CCG talk aside, great work on the pic Tiggers, and:
manowarplayer wrote:
Love the picture, but it dramatically points out one of the biggest irks I have with the game - the inconsistent artwork. Too many styles and varying quality detracts from the game for me - especially for the price.
CCG stands for Customizable Card Game. I don't know when that changed exactly. (most CCG's have since adopted the TCG acronym, Trading Card Game)
Anything can be considered collectible... all you have to do is collect it. Living Card Games (LCG's) are no less collectible than TCG's or anything else you want to collect.
Love the picture, but it dramatically points out one of the biggest irks I have with the game - the inconsistent artwork. Too many styles and varying quality detracts from the game for me - especially for the price.
I'd be happy with inconsistent art styles, if the overall level of artwork was at least a little better. I understand this is dead horse territory, but at this point, I'd rather have stock photos (like Panzer General) than the awful art school dropout compositions we have now. There are more than enough paintings, woodcuts, and sketches in the public domain to do all of Dominion's cards. Wouldn't Renaissance art look amazing in this game?
I bought the Warhammer: Invasion base set, thinking I would be able to play against others at the FLGS. Ha! Little did I understand that it was, in fact, a CCG, even though they try to pass it off as an LCG. The fact that my opponents all bought three copies each of the base game just to maximize their ownership of the really good cards, then also got 3 copies of each expansion, meant that my base game box was about as useful as a rear-view mirror on a tank.
I bought the Warhammer: Invasion base set, thinking I would be able to play against others at the FLGS. Ha! Little did I understand that it was, in fact, a CCG, even though they try to pass it off as an LCG. The fact that my opponents all bought three copies each of the base game just to maximize their ownership of the really good cards, then also got 3 copies of each expansion, meant that my base game box was about as useful as a rear-view mirror on a tank.
Is it the same issue with LOTR:TCG? I know Jeremy bought three sets?
The impression I have with these games (although I have yet to play one) is the way they are sold makes them good for a group of friends who wants to play without worrying that someone at some point will open THE booster with a super-freakin-powerful card, while still suffers from the need to buy everything in order to be competitive in tournaments. Still, it's a heck-of-a-lot better marketing model than Magic.
I know of course realize that this is completely off topic on a thread for a Dominion-picture...
