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I give Obama credit, he is straight up gangster with the air strikes and this seems to be a regular thing for his administration.

Are we still able to claim that Democrats are the party of peace ?

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While We Obsessed over Melania, US Airstrikes Massacre Scores of Civilians in Syria
Tom Cahill | July 19, 2016

As many as 77 innocent people or more, including 11 children, were killed during US-led coalition airstrikes performed in Syria over this Monday and Tuesday.

According to Agence France-Presse (AFP), the US-led airstrike in Manbij, Syria targeted the group of civilians, mistakenly identifying them as ISIS-affiliated fighters. The number of those killed remains unclear, though AFP and the New York Times reported that 56 civilians were killed Monday and another 21 killed Tuesday. Dozens more have been wounded.

Other reports vary, however, and estimate higher numbers. “That school housed displaced people from neighboring villages,” Abu Omar al-Manbiji reported to Syriairect, a non-profit reporting agency that works on the ground in Syria. “So far we count 124 dead from the attack, and that number could very well increase.”

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which tracks civilian deaths in the area, reported that 104 civilians, including 29 children, 16 women, and 8 prisoners, have been killed in the area since the start of June, and they confirmed at least 11 children died in these latest strikes.



http://usuncut.com/world/us-airstrikes-syria-civilians/
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Unfortunately, this is what happens in war. Someone gave the US the wrong target and we flattened it. Awful, awful thing war is.

And to your question: no one ever said the Republicans are the party of peace either.
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jeremycobert wrote:
I give Obama credit, he is straight up gangster with the air strikes and this seems to be a regular thing for his administration.

Are we still able to claim that Democrats are the party of peace ?

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While We Obsessed over Melania, US Airstrikes Massacre Scores of Civilians in Syria
Tom Cahill | July 19, 2016

As many as 77 innocent people or more, including 11 children, were killed during US-led coalition airstrikes performed in Syria over this Monday and Tuesday.

According to Agence France-Presse (AFP), the US-led airstrike in Manbij, Syria targeted the group of civilians, mistakenly identifying them as ISIS-affiliated fighters. The number of those killed remains unclear, though AFP and the New York Times reported that 56 civilians were killed Monday and another 21 killed Tuesday. Dozens more have been wounded.

Other reports vary, however, and estimate higher numbers. “That school housed displaced people from neighboring villages,” Abu Omar al-Manbiji reported to Syria:direct, a non-profit reporting agency that works on the ground in Syria. “So far we count 124 dead from the attack, and that number could very well increase.”

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which tracks civilian deaths in the area, reported that 104 civilians, including 29 children, 16 women, and 8 prisoners, have been killed in the area since the start of June, and they confirmed at least 11 children died in these latest strikes.



http://usuncut.com/world/us-airstrikes-syria-civilians/
Yep, never happened under any otehr president.

You know this is exactly what many of us said would happen if dickheads got their way and we started to drop bombs.

If we were not dropping bombs these people wouild not be dead. It is not Obama's fault but those who called for military action.
 
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It is not Obama's fault ...

Dude, everything is Obama's fault. Didn't you get the memo? He's the world's dictator.
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slatersteven wrote:
It is not Obama's fault ...

Dude, everything is Obama's fault. Didn't you get the memo? He's the world's dictator.


The buck stop there ? where ?

Do they ever take back Peace prizes ? It may be time to revoke that one.
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Day to day Obama either hates Muslims or loves Muslims or is a Muslim.

Get your dumb fuck story straight.
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jeremycobert wrote:
I give Obama credit, he is straight up gangster with the air strikes and this seems to be a regular thing for his administration.

Are we still able to claim that Democrats are the party of peace ?

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While We Obsessed over Melania, US Airstrikes Massacre Scores of Civilians in Syria
Tom Cahill | July 19, 2016

As many as 77 innocent people or more, including 11 children, were killed during US-led coalition airstrikes performed in Syria over this Monday and Tuesday.

According to Agence France-Presse (AFP), the US-led airstrike in Manbij, Syria targeted the group of civilians, mistakenly identifying them as ISIS-affiliated fighters. The number of those killed remains unclear, though AFP and the New York Times reported that 56 civilians were killed Monday and another 21 killed Tuesday. Dozens more have been wounded.

Other reports vary, however, and estimate higher numbers. “That school housed displaced people from neighboring villages,” Abu Omar al-Manbiji reported to Syriairect, a non-profit reporting agency that works on the ground in Syria. “So far we count 124 dead from the attack, and that number could very well increase.”

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which tracks civilian deaths in the area, reported that 104 civilians, including 29 children, 16 women, and 8 prisoners, have been killed in the area since the start of June, and they confirmed at least 11 children died in these latest strikes.



http://usuncut.com/world/us-airstrikes-syria-civilians/


I am saddened by the loss of innocent life.

So, to which do you object:
1. Fighting ISIS
2. Using airstrikes
3. Making mistakes based on faulty intelligence

I support fighting ISIS. I am uncertain about the use of airstrikes, in part because of the significant chance of loss of innocent life. I recognize that faulty intelligence happes, and if you decide to kill people, you may kill innocent people.

So for which do you fault Obama? If you object to fighting ISIS or to using airstrikes, then own up to it, and tell us what you think we should be doing instead. If your only complaint is #3, then blaming it on Obama is just plain stupid. Or do you think it is the Commsnder-in-Chief's responsibility to evaluate the mission inteligence before every bombing run?
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jeremycobert wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
It is not Obama's fault ...

Dude, everything is Obama's fault. Didn't you get the memo? He's the world's dictator.


The buck stop there ? where ?

Do they ever take back Peace prizes ? It may be time to revoke that one.
HAs it ever stopped with any president when civilians are killed bu US forces?

Maybe of people like you had not clamored for action against ISIL THOSE KIDS WOULD STILL BE ALIVE.
 
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jeremycobert wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
It is not Obama's fault ...

Dude, everything is Obama's fault. Didn't you get the memo? He's the world's dictator.


The buck stop there ? where ?

Do they ever take back Peace prizes ? It may be time to revoke that one.

To be serious, yes, Barack Obama is the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces, and these things wouldn't be happening without his authorization -- which he gave more than a year ago. So far, and to the best of my knowledge, no one has accused him of deliberately targeting civilians. The issue is people have this notion there is such a thing as a sanitary war. No matter how hard one or all sides try, there will be civilians killed in war, there will be children blown to pieces.

Only way to stop that is to stop war, and humans have demonstrated for thousands of years they love war.
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slatersteven wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
It is not Obama's fault ...

Dude, everything is Obama's fault. Didn't you get the memo? He's the world's dictator.


The buck stop there ? where ?

Do they ever take back Peace prizes ? It may be time to revoke that one.
HAs it ever stopped with any president when civilians are killed bu US forces?

Maybe of people like you had not clamored for action against ISIL THOSE KIDS WOULD STILL BE ALIVE.

Or someone else would have killed them. ISIS and the Syrian government forces have no qualms about killing civilians in large numbers. And I am certain the Syrian Free Army and the Kurds have done their share of killing, deliberate or otherwise.
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just to be clear, I dont want the USA involved in any war or killing of civilians. Apparently the violent left supports these killings as long as it's an "accident" ?

Whoopsy, sorry about that bomb ! peace out !

I also want the Obama nuthuggers to drop their double standards.but you know, one step at a time.

actuaryesquire wrote:
3. Making mistakes based on faulty intelligence





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ZOMG!!! Obama won't call out what the real problemz is.. Muzlims!!!
ZOMG!!! Obama is killing muh Muzlimz!!!
ZOMG!!! Eyez can't talk right out both sidez muh mouthz!!!
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jeremycobert wrote:
just to be clear, I dont want the USA involved in any war or killing of civilians.

Totally agree.

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Apparently the violent left supports these killings as long as it's an "accident" ?

Whoopsy, sorry about that bomb ! peace out !

Apparently isn't reality. The left screams about civilian deaths all the time. And it was the right that pushed for involvement in the Iraqi-Syrian cluster fuck.

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I also want the Obama nuthuggers to drop their double standards.but you know, one step at a time.

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3. Making mistakes based on faulty intelligence






Fair point, though the time line is different. The intelligence leading up to Iraq War 2.0 was collected over years by a variety of different nations' intelligence agencies. This current CF was bad intel developed over a day or two. But still, fair point.
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remorseless1 wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
It is not Obama's fault ...

Dude, everything is Obama's fault. Didn't you get the memo? He's the world's dictator.


The buck stop there ? where ?

Do they ever take back Peace prizes ? It may be time to revoke that one.
HAs it ever stopped with any president when civilians are killed bu US forces?

Maybe of people like you had not clamored for action against ISIL THOSE KIDS WOULD STILL BE ALIVE.

Or someone else would have killed them. ISIS and the Syrian government forces have no qualms about killing civilians in large numbers. And I am certain the Syrian Free Army and the Kurds have done their share of killing, deliberate or otherwise.
So? the issue here is whining about Obama doing what you asked for.

This in (as you demonstrate nicely above) dammed if you do dammed if you don't (after all look at the whining when he did try to avoid civilian casualties).
 
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jeremycobert wrote:
I give Obama credit, he is straight up gangster with the air strikes and this seems to be a regular thing for his administration.

Are we still able to claim that Democrats are the party of peace ?

Quote:
While We Obsessed over Melania, US Airstrikes Massacre Scores of Civilians in Syria
Tom Cahill | July 19, 2016

As many as 77 innocent people or more, including 11 children, were killed during US-led coalition airstrikes performed in Syria over this Monday and Tuesday.

According to Agence France-Presse (AFP), the US-led airstrike in Manbij, Syria targeted the group of civilians, mistakenly identifying them as ISIS-affiliated fighters. The number of those killed remains unclear, though AFP and the New York Times reported that 56 civilians were killed Monday and another 21 killed Tuesday. Dozens more have been wounded.

Other reports vary, however, and estimate higher numbers. “That school housed displaced people from neighboring villages,” Abu Omar al-Manbiji reported to Syria:direct, a non-profit reporting agency that works on the ground in Syria. “So far we count 124 dead from the attack, and that number could very well increase.”

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which tracks civilian deaths in the area, reported that 104 civilians, including 29 children, 16 women, and 8 prisoners, have been killed in the area since the start of June, and they confirmed at least 11 children died in these latest strikes.



http://usuncut.com/world/us-airstrikes-syria-civilians/


He's got the "neutral" media on his side, so they won't say a thing that makes him or his (or Hillary now) look bad.



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Day to day Obama either hates Muslims or loves Muslims or is a Muslim.



Why couldn't he be both?


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He's got the "neutral" media on his side, so they won't say a thing that makes him or his (or Hillary now) look bad.
Do you just say stuff with the hopes we won't actually make the effort to even google it? I mean, I hope the GOP is paying you for your disinformation campaign because the price you pay for the sacrifice of your integrity is high.

Google: 'airstrike in syria' and see how all the "liberal" media sites avoid reporting this. Spoiler: They're not.
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jeremycobert wrote:
just to be clear, I dont want the USA involved in any war or killing of civilians. Apparently the violent left supports these killings as long as it's an "accident" ?

Whoopsy, sorry about that bomb ! peace out !

I also want the Obama nuthuggers to drop their double standards.but you know, one step at a time.

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3. Making mistakes based on faulty intelligence







I expect the Commander-in-Chief to review the military intelligence used to start a war.

I do not expect the Commander-in-Chief to review the military intelligence used to select a target for an individual bombing.
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Unfortunately, this is what happens in war. Someone gave the US the wrong target and we flattened it. Awful, awful thing war is.

And to your question: no one ever said the Republicans are the party of peace either.
Is the United States at war? Or is the US involvement in Syria strictly an executive decision? If war is so damned awful, maybe we shouldn't get involved and make it more awful? To minimize the impact of American bombs and drones in the Middle East, the Obama administration claims that *all* military-age males in a strike zone are combatants unless proven otherwise. Yeah, good luck with that. Obama is overseeing a pretty awful foreign policy (Cuba excepted) that shouldn't be shrugged off. Considering Clinton's known hawkish ways, we definitely shouldn't shrug it off and give her license to make matters worse. As Americans, we collectively own this regardless of political affiliation. Hold them accountable by not shrugging it off or making it partisan.
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Yes, civilian casualties happen in war. Speaking of war, was there ever a formal DoW against Syria or ISIS or whatever we are drone striking?

I still maintain that is the bigger issue and the greater outrage.
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Speaking of war, was there ever a formal DoW against Syria or ISIS or whatever we are drone striking?


Nope. Obama only goes to war without Congressional approval.
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"Obama's airstrike" even though he was likely not involved at all. Newsflash, there are generals and several other levels of officers that handle military operations such as this one. Commander-in-Chief does not mean Micromanager-in-Chief.

Also one of the biggest complaints about Obama from the GOP is that Obama takes too many precautions to save civilian lives and doesn't let the military do their job. Just listen to any of their rants about the rules of engagement.
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Speaking of war, was there ever a formal DoW against Syria or ISIS or whatever we are drone striking?


Nope. Obama only goes to war without Congressional approval.


Bush II did as well. And Clinton, and Bush I, and Reagan, etc.

It's a legitimate question perhaps about committing troops (and drones and missiles and aircraft etc). But presidents of both parties do it.
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Commander-in-Chief does not mean Micromanager-in-Chief.
We are in Syria only by Obama's executive choice. He does not have to be a micromanager to know that waging war will terrorize and murder innocent people. How is that fight against ISIS going anyway? It's also shameful to see the nations taking part in the war treat the refugees that the war creates as lepers. We need a much improved foreign policy, but it's not likely coming any time soon.

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Also one of the biggest complaints about Obama from the GOP is that Obama takes too many precautions to save civilian lives and doesn't let the military do their job.
What precautions is Obama taking? His Orwellian choice to label *every* military-aged male targeted in an air/drone strike as a combatant until proven innocent doesn't qualify. Very ugly and very long wars the United States are involved in. How many kids in the Middle East know anything other than war? And yet so many Westerners believe that Islam is the religion of violence. Maybe we will convince them yet.
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Yes, civilian casualties happen in war. Speaking of war, was there ever a formal DoW against Syria or ISIS or whatever we are drone striking?

I still maintain that is the bigger issue and the greater outrage.

Really? Dead kids aren't as big an issue as some legalese nonsense?
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