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Subject: Question on Escort Attacks rss

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Michael Sundborg
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1. On the Deep Dive reaction, I am assuming that the " 2 Rolls" on the counter is not applicable and a holdover from the 1st Ed of U Boat Leader.

2. On the example of the attack by the escort Nomi ( p 30, 4th paragraph ), it states to reduce the two Heavy Hits to 1 Heavy Hit and 1 Light Hit due to the sub's evasion rating; HOWEVER, the rules states to only reduce Light Hits.

3. If more than one escort is attacking, do you reduce only one instance of hits based on the sub's evasion rating or for each individual attacking escort? For example if two escorts each have 2 light hits ( for a total of 4 light hits) do you only reduce 2 hits total or negate 2 hits per escort?

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Michael Sundborg
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Re: Q2 above

Though not stated in the rules, the example implies that two light hits are equivalent to one heavy hit.

In the example, the two heavy hits inflicted by the escort were reduced to one heavy and one light due to the two evasion points of the sub ( i.e. one heavy hit reduced to one light hit).

The paragraph above the rule concerning modifiers to hits inflicted by Ships on subs refer to 2 light hit equivalent to one heavy hit.

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Paul Dodds
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Mike,

Obviously my thoughts aren't official as I'm just a punter! I also had some uncertainty about the nature of reducing hits based on Evasion. I don't think it's particularly clear in the GL rules. So in the end I decided to apply the same principal of Evasion as used by Thunderbolt Apache Leader. The TAL rule book very clearly states that Heavy hits correspond to 2 Light and can be reduced by Evasion. So the TAL rules at least match the example in the GL rules!

My reading of the Enemy Attack modifiers is that they are applied to each enemy attack. Thus a sub's Evasion modifier is also applied to every attack. However, going back to TAL as a reference point then this is different. (U-Boat Leader might be better reference but I've never played it.) In TAL Evasion is applied to the total hits. So I'm not 100% sure I'm playing GL right by applying the Evasion for each enemy attack. It does feel right though: my subs are still getting a pounding and the game definitely doesn't feel too easy! It's easier to manoeuvre in TAL to minimise hits than it is GL, so I'm hoping this is an intended modification of Evasion rather than me misunderstanding the rules!

Hope this helps,
Paul

.:Edited for typos:.

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Michael Sundborg
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Hi Paul

I have the same take on this as you.....I also agree that the evasion modifier should be for each attack....

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I hope you're right that it applies to each separate attack, unlike TAL. Of course it means Merchant ships can almost never hit you.
 
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dvader wrote:
Though not stated in the rules, the example implies that two light hits are equivalent to one heavy hit.

Actually, it is in the rules... top of page 22, left column: "...1 Heavy Hit is equal to 2 Light Hits."

Oh, wait a minute... I just re-read your post. You already pointed that out. Sorry.

Anyway, I'll add instead, that even though the blue-font example half-way down that column tried to illustrate the light hit-heavy hit "math", I agree it could've done a better job.

dvader wrote:
3. If more than one escort is attacking, do you reduce only one instance of hits based on the sub's evasion rating or for each individual attacking escort? For example if two escorts each have 2 light hits ( for a total of 4 light hits) do you only reduce 2 hits total or negate 2 hits per escort?

The rules as written suggest that each escort conducts its attack one escort at a time, using the procedures outlined on pgs 21-22 for each attack. Meaning that if a sub is being attacked by two escorts, then the attack procedures on pgs 21-22 are followed completely for the first escort. Then followed again, completely, for the 2nd escort.

The sentence on pg 22 seems to confirm this. It says, "Draw all the hit counters against a submarine one at a time". (Though that paragraph in itself raises another question which I'll post in another thread).

And if the sub suffers Stress during the first attack, then it may result in having to change its evasive rating for the 2nd attack (by the 2nd escort).

 
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