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I've played Cryptozoic games (LOTR and DC), and they were "meh".

Some times it was cool, like having a strong hand and buying an expensive card, but otherwise it was just okay. There was also very little interaction with others. Someone described DB games as "multiplayer solitaire".

If there were no good cards to buy, there wasn't much to do. That's boring.

How can a DB compete with Summoner Wars, which is fun all the time? Or Specter Ops, King of Tokyo, or Batman: Love Letter?

Teach me please. I want to understand.
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Try Valley of the Kings: Afterlife. It's a little box, doesn't cost much. It's deck building, deck trimming, and do-bad-things-to-your-opponent, though not too bad. Really a fun game.
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Try Shadowrun: Crossfire very, very coop. Also Sentinels of the Multiverse. Also coop.
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Well the primary problem is that you played the Cryptozoic deckbuilders.
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Not all games are for everybody. Deck building follows the same principal, just different systems and/or the way of doing things.

I personally just like them, my wife loves them.
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It depends if you like Deck Building games. Sorry that's a bit flippant I can't imagine any deck building game being much like King of Tokyo (but maybe I'm wrong).

Star Realms is a space combat deck builder. I think it's fun but you might not. However you can download a free app and try it before you commit to buying the game. It can sometimes feel a little like there isn't much player interaction despite the theme. Part of the player interaction that wasn't obvious at first (to me at least) is denying your opponent good cards either by buying them yourself, getting rid of them from the trade row or by not buying anything and leaving a bunch of rubbish for them...
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Personally my deck builder of choice is Arctic Scavengers, because it has a hard time limit (you play X rounds), it has a forced-interaction with other players each round, and it has a hard limit on "cycling" each turn.

You play ~14 rounds (I vary this so we get an even number of rounds per player), and at the end of each one whichever cards you haven't-used to do your other actions goes off into a "skirmish" with all the other players, where the one who brings the most combat strength gets a reward from a special reward deck. So you're forced to decide with your hand whether you're going to gather more resources, hire people, or participate in the skirmish at the end of the round.

Also, it only lets you do each action ONCE. So you can't cycle your whole deck every turn, it's just not possible. This adds to the feeling of scarcity the game is trying to evoke, which makes it quite thematic. You only have these 5 cards this turn. Are you going to look for supplies, recruit more tribe members, or hold your strength back and try to fight for that unknown loot?
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Check out Nightfall; it was made with player interaction in mind. Prices have gotten pretty low too meeple
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Deckbuilding isn't just a discrete genre these days, but a mechanic that's being employed in a lot of different ways. DC Deck Builder, Dominion, Mage Knight, and A Few Acres of Snow are all "deck building games", but they really stake out distinct territories. I'd suggest that you try some stuff that's not essentially the same game, and see if anything tickles your fancy.

But as a word of advice if you're planning on hanging around here, games are subjective, and running up on us saying, "This isn't fun!" is a good way to start a neverending (and useless) thread. All you'll get is a bunch of people saying, "I hate it" and other people saying "I like it".
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Yeah. I'm not trying to criticize it. I just don't understand why they are so popular. Maybe it's me. Or Maybe there are better DB games. I don't play board games as often as I would like, so it's kind of a waste if a game is dud. I'm honestly open to whatever suggestions you have.

I liked Xenoshyft. Unfortunately, it's way too complicated for my friends. The random starting cards made it frustrating when you have crappy items. It would have balanced out if we were competing, but in a co op game it's just a randomized handicap.
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PlayerRedDiceBoy wrote:
The random starting cards made it frustrating when you have crappy items.

That's one reason why I am a huge Dominion fan, everybody starts off with the same 10 cards and you all forge ahead from there. It becomes a strategy collision right from the start; and with all of the expansions (Dominion: Empires just arrived today! ), you have a great variety in how easy or complex you want the game to be.
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IMHO if you like shuffling cards a lot they're great.
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As long as they are fast, the moment someone takes too long or cycles their entire deck with combos is when they are no longer fun for me.
 
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Stay away from Cryptozoic and you should be fine.
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PlayerRedDiceBoy wrote:
I've played Cryptozoic games (LOTR and DC), and they were "meh".

Some times it was cool, like having a strong hand and buying an expensive card, but otherwise it was just okay. There was also very little interaction with others. Someone described DB games as "multiplayer solitaire".

If there were no good cards to buy, there wasn't much to do. That's boring.

How can a DB compete with Summoner Wars, which is fun all the time? Or Specter Ops, King of Tokyo, or Batman: Love Letter?

Teach me please. I want to understand.
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I wouldn't be able to meet you on the parts of KoT or Love Letter being fun all the time, but it's something we can disregard.

I actually enjoy DBG, but the problem is, I'm at the mercy of using other people's copies. Carrying around 500 to 3000 cards seems to be more trouble than it's worth these days. In fact, all of my DBG are exclusively on digital... Ascension on iOS, and Dominoin on Android (via Androminion).

Otherwise, finding card combos and exploring misc. mechanics is what gets me drawn to them.
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Thanos007 wrote:
Also Sentinels of the Multiverse. Also coop.


Not a deckbuilder. Also, no idea how a game can bee a coop. It doesn't hold any birds at all.
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PlayerRedDiceBoy wrote:
Yeah. I'm not trying to criticize it. I just don't understand why they are so popular. Maybe it's me. Or Maybe there are better DB games. I don't play board games as often as I would like, so it's kind of a waste if a game is dud. I'm honestly open to whatever suggestions you have.


Have you played Ascension? I really liked the Cryptozoic LOTR deckbuilders, but I fully realize that Ascension is probably a better game and I enjoy it as much.

Chances are, you have a friend who has it. Give it a go and if you try it and nothing about it appeals to you then I think deckbuilders just might not be your thing. Nothing wrong with that, in fact it might just save you alot of time and effort to be able to ignore that particular section of the game store.

Lastly, if it's player interaction you want, maybe give the Warmachine or Hordes High Command Deckbuilders a try. They've got ALOT of similarities with other deckbuilders, but you and your opponent each have their own decks and are in fairly consistent competition to defeat each other's forces and win locations. I've not had a chance to play more than a couple hands of it yet, but they're going for ridiculously cheap right now. I think MM has it for $10.
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PlayerRedDiceBoy wrote:
I've played Cryptozoic games (LOTR and DC), and they were "meh".

Some times it was cool, like having a strong hand and buying an expensive card, but otherwise it was just okay. There was also very little interaction with others. Someone described DB games as "multiplayer solitaire".

If there were no good cards to buy, there wasn't much to do. That's boring.

How can a DB compete with Summoner Wars, which is fun all the time? Or Specter Ops, King of Tokyo, or Batman: Love Letter?

Teach me please. I want to understand.
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Try Rune Age.
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If you need direct interaction in your games, then deck builders probably aren't for you. As to why they're so popular, a large (and growing) number of gamers don't care for direct interaction or (worse) targeted aggression in their games. They like to play alongside, rather than against, other players.

I'll second the recommendation for Arctic Scavengers as a deck builder that might appeal to you if it's interaction you're after. If even that doesn't appeal, then the mechanism/genre isn't for you.
 
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In addition to Nightfall, Star Realms I hear has a good amount of direct interaction.
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I'm a bit burned out on DBGs, but I really enjoyed them for a while. I played the heck out of Legendary Encounters: A Predator Deck Building Game and Shadowrun: Crossfire. What I liked most was that I had complete control over the makeup of my deck yet still had to deal with the uncertainty of the draw. Cards are a great way to show off art and gives designers a vast amount of artistic license to create actions/powers/challenges/stories and results in a wide array of game experiences.

I've since traded both those games and have settled on Baseball Highlights: 2045 as my deck builder of choice. Its unique theme and simple yet challenging gameplay keep me engaged even after my tastes in games have changed.
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motoyugota wrote:
Also, no idea how a game can bee a coop. It doesn't hold any birds at all.

I believe you're thinking of Hive.
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Sargeras777 wrote:
PlayerRedDiceBoy wrote:
I've played Cryptozoic games (LOTR and DC), and they were "meh".

Some times it was cool, like having a strong hand and buying an expensive card, but otherwise it was just okay. There was also very little interaction with others. Someone described DB games as "multiplayer solitaire".

If there were no good cards to buy, there wasn't much to do. That's boring.

How can a DB compete with Summoner Wars, which is fun all the time? Or Specter Ops, King of Tokyo, or Batman: Love Letter?

Teach me please. I want to understand.
Player Red


Try Rune Age.


Are you trying to turn him further off of deckbuilders?
 
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I had dominion and it was cool for awhile, we sold it. Tried trains since it had rout building mixed in, still felt like dominion, selling it now.

On the other hand, I love eminent domain, marvel legendary, Concordia, Lewis and Clark, Orleans, and rococo. Obviously I seem to like it more as a secondary mechanism.
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I really have fun playing Trains a map with some strategy & scoring there works well.

Thunderstone & Dominion were pretty boring compared to trains.

 
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