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Ludo Fact buys plant in Indiana to start manufacturing boardgames in the USA.

http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/35124/german-game-manufac...

Stronghold is first on board to have a game made at this plant.
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    Focusing on serving the Kickstarter community. Here's hoping that remains a strong channel for them.

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And in an anti-union state, too. Sad to see a European company engage in this sort of hypocrisy. soblue Such a great chance to show the world what they believe in, but they shoot themselves in the foot instead. Give their workers the protection of a labor union and strong state laws? Nope, they'll fire their workers for no reason instead. yuk
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I'm going to suggest that the choice might not have been about the Union support, but more that it is centrally located and a better location to ship equally (and as cheaply as possible) to all states. Not to mention the proximity to Origins and Gen Con for up-to-the-last-minute printing and packaging similar to the Essen releases.
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jumbit wrote:
And in an anti-union state, too. Sad to see a European company engage in this sort of hypocrisy. soblue Such a great chance to show the world what they believe in, but they shoot themselves in the foot instead. Give their workers the protection of a labor union and strong state laws? Nope, they'll fire their workers for no reason instead. yuk


They didn't BUILD a factory, they BOUGHT a factory.

That's a HUGE limiter in terms of where they can do it.

It's not like they can go "Hey we'll buy you, but please move 2 states over, okay?"
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jumbit wrote:
And in an anti-union state, too. Sad to see a European company engage in this sort of hypocrisy. soblue Such a great chance to show the world what they believe in, but they shoot themselves in the foot instead. Give their workers the protection of a labor union and strong state laws? Nope, they'll fire their workers for no reason instead. yuk


Did you stop to think, maybe they don't like unions?

Oh no, wait, everyone loooves unions.

Silly me.
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More likely unions were not a significant factor outside of just being part of the landscape.
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    I think they looked at what was for sale at a price they could afford and bought it. Best I can tell they were looking for a U.S. postal address.

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Dragoonkin wrote:
jumbit wrote:
And in an anti-union state, too. Sad to see a European company engage in this sort of hypocrisy. soblue Such a great chance to show the world what they believe in, but they shoot themselves in the foot instead. Give their workers the protection of a labor union and strong state laws? Nope, they'll fire their workers for no reason instead. yuk


They didn't BUILD a factory, they BOUGHT a factory.

That's a HUGE limiter in terms of where they can do it.

It's not like they can go "Hey we'll buy you, but please move 2 states over, okay?"


They could have bought a factory in a pro-union state. Germans like to constantly criticize Americans for their weak labor protections. Now, a German company had a chance to show its quality, and put its money where its mouth was. They failed. It's a loss for everyone, especially the workers.
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jumbit wrote:
Dragoonkin wrote:
jumbit wrote:
And in an anti-union state, too. Sad to see a European company engage in this sort of hypocrisy. soblue Such a great chance to show the world what they believe in, but they shoot themselves in the foot instead. Give their workers the protection of a labor union and strong state laws? Nope, they'll fire their workers for no reason instead. yuk


They didn't BUILD a factory, they BOUGHT a factory.

That's a HUGE limiter in terms of where they can do it.

It's not like they can go "Hey we'll buy you, but please move 2 states over, okay?"


They could have bought a factory in a pro-union state. Germans like to constantly criticize Americans for their weak labor protections. Now, a German company had a chance to show its quality, and put its money where its mouth was. They failed. It's a loss for everyone, especially the workers.


They put their money where their mouth is. They invested their money in the United States. Give them a break for Christ Sake!
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I don't imagine its easy to find factories in pro union states. With half of them having right to work laws, companies tend to favor those because american companies hate unions, thus more new factories in union unfriendly states.

I blame the country and the states more than the company. The company can however be a beacon of change, showcasing what euro style union work practices can look like. It should be the state taking care of the citizens, however there isn't anything stopping Ludo from being better than local laws.
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I never liked Unions. Or is that just a Texas thing?
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Unions have been demonized since the 1970s here. I worked a union job in a non-union "right to work" state for years and everyone got along. The union provided benefits, and the company valued the employees.

Does anyone know if it's a union shop?
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Ya'll can talk about unions all you want but most Kickstarter games are put together in China which has worse labor laws than non unionized american labor. Or should we now be upset over solid lost jobs in China because those manufacturers offered good jobs?
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China isn't the issue here. The issue is that a European company was supposed to show us all how it's done by rewarding a state with strong pro-union laws with a factory acquisition. They didn't do it. This is just going to give ammunition to the Euro-hate brigade because they'll think they've uncovered the essential hypocrisy of European attitudes. It's a very damaging situation and I wish it hadn't happened.
 
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jumbit wrote:
China isn't the issue here. The issue is that a European company was supposed to show us all how it's done by rewarding a state with strong pro-union laws with a factory acquisition. They didn't do it. This is just going to give ammunition to the Euro-hate brigade because they'll think they've uncovered the essential hypocrisy of European attitudes. It's a very damaging situation and I wish it hadn't happened.


Or maybe it's just your opinion and the rest thinks more about the reasons that were more likely influencing the purchase. Maybe they didn't have the opportunity to buy a reasonable company in one of the states you'd approve.
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jumbit wrote:
China isn't the issue here. The issue is that a European company was supposed to show us all how it's done by rewarding a state with strong pro-union laws with a factory acquisition. They didn't do it. This is just going to give ammunition to the Euro-hate brigade because they'll think they've uncovered the essential hypocrisy of European attitudes. It's a very damaging situation and I wish it hadn't happened.


They were supposed to? Really?!

This factory, regardless of whether it's in a pro-union state, is an upgrade on a Chinese one. Small victories still count.
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Would games in Union company's cost twice as much as games in Non-Union? I do not see this as being good. I have noticed most gamers like to play aa little as posible for games. I have never seen a post station: man I would love to pay not for the workers that make the games I love.
 
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jumbit wrote:
China isn't the issue here. The issue is that a European company was supposed to show us all how it's done by rewarding a state with strong pro-union laws with a factory acquisition. They didn't do it. This is just going to give ammunition to the Euro-hate brigade because they'll think they've uncovered the essential hypocrisy of European attitudes. It's a very damaging situation and I wish it hadn't happened.


I'm sorry if I ruin your view over "European attitudes." But if you just look at the construction of the governments just western europe there are a thousand view points. There are political parties in multiple nation-states in Europe that have elected power that are socialist leaning to elected parties that are fascist leaning. There are countries in europe where nationalities hate each other more than how much conservatives and democrats hate each other in America.

There is no single "European attitude." There are a thousand attitudes and maybe a few of them, like an owner of a company that wishes to make money will choose an area that will get them the most money possible. Like my response to most threads here it comes down to free market capitalism and a lot of people care more about money than ideas. you can't buy a Yacht with ideas.
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Locu wrote:
jumbit wrote:
China isn't the issue here. The issue is that a European company was supposed to show us all how it's done by rewarding a state with strong pro-union laws with a factory acquisition. They didn't do it. This is just going to give ammunition to the Euro-hate brigade because they'll think they've uncovered the essential hypocrisy of European attitudes. It's a very damaging situation and I wish it hadn't happened.


Or maybe it's just your opinion and the rest thinks more about the reasons that were more likely influencing the purchase. Maybe they didn't have the opportunity to buy a reasonable company in one of the states you'd approve.

I'm an immigrant to the US from Canada, and used to be drink-the-koolaid-pro-union, until I opened my first business here and began to understand the real pros and cons.

Last fall I declined opening my 4th location, this time back in my home province of BC. The labor laws just didn't allow for it at this time.
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Oh, come on. I'm as pro workers' rights as anyone, but damning a company before they've done anything wrong isn't the way to go about it. It's perfectly possible to run a socially responsible business in Indiana or anywhere else, never mind the laws of the state. Why don't we wait and see how they run their show before deciding on a verdict.

But by all means, if you think there may be problems here, keep tabs on these folks, and if there do turn out to be major issues, let us know so those of us who care about these issues can file them with Amazon et al. on the list of companies to be avoided.
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Locu wrote:
jumbit wrote:
China isn't the issue here. The issue is that a European company was supposed to show us all how it's done by rewarding a state with strong pro-union laws with a factory acquisition. They didn't do it. This is just going to give ammunition to the Euro-hate brigade because they'll think they've uncovered the essential hypocrisy of European attitudes. It's a very damaging situation and I wish it hadn't happened.


Or maybe it's just your opinion and the rest thinks more about the reasons that were more likely influencing the purchase. Maybe they didn't have the opportunity to buy a reasonable company in one of the states you'd approve.

I'm an immigrant to the US from Canada, and used to be drink-the-koolaid-pro-union, until I opened my first business here and began to understand the real pros and cons.

Last fall I declined opening my 4th location, this time back in my home province of BC. The labor laws just didn't allow for it at this time.


With respect, your workers don't need a union so long as you look after them in a responsible way.
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Oh, come on. I'm as pro workers' rights as anyone, but damning a company before they've done anything wrong isn't the way to go about it. It's perfectly possible to run a socially responsible business in Indiana or anywhere else, never mind the laws of the state. Why don't we wait and see how they run their show before deciding on a verdict.

But by all means, if you think there may be problems here, keep tabs on these folks, and if there do turn out to be major issues, let us know so those of us who care about these issues can file them with Amazon et al. on the list of companies to be avoided.


This.
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liencam wrote:
JRietveld wrote:
Locu wrote:
jumbit wrote:
China isn't the issue here. The issue is that a European company was supposed to show us all how it's done by rewarding a state with strong pro-union laws with a factory acquisition. They didn't do it. This is just going to give ammunition to the Euro-hate brigade because they'll think they've uncovered the essential hypocrisy of European attitudes. It's a very damaging situation and I wish it hadn't happened.


Or maybe it's just your opinion and the rest thinks more about the reasons that were more likely influencing the purchase. Maybe they didn't have the opportunity to buy a reasonable company in one of the states you'd approve.

I'm an immigrant to the US from Canada, and used to be drink-the-koolaid-pro-union, until I opened my first business here and began to understand the real pros and cons.

Last fall I declined opening my 4th location, this time back in my home province of BC. The labor laws just didn't allow for it at this time.


With respect, your workers don't need a union so long as you look after them in a responsible way.

That is how it should work.
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I actually like that developed markets still produce (some) of their goods. Maybe this is some form of disguised patriotism, I do not know. For the economy in total, board game production is totally irrelevant though.

jumbit wrote:
China isn't the issue here. The issue is that a European company was supposed to show us all how it's done by rewarding a state with strong pro-union laws with a factory acquisition. They didn't do it. This is just going to give ammunition to the Euro-hate brigade because they'll think they've uncovered the essential hypocrisy of European attitudes. It's a very damaging situation and I wish it hadn't happened.

I am really annoyed and offended by your comments. First, not all Europeans speak with one voice. There is not party that tells everyone including the managers in industry what to say and what to do. We have politicians, journalists, and sometimes managers that criticize the working conditions in other countries. They do this not to shame people but try to make an effort to improve things. However, I am not sure how this is perceived in other countries and can immagine that this is sometimes annoying.

About Ludofact: Really??? Has Ludofact ever critized working conditions anywhere (=China)? I do not think so. Even if so, it would only be hypocritical, if Ludofact wiill put a lot of illegal immigrants in the factory and turn of the air condition in summer to save a few bucks on electricity. If they just open the plant with standard US working conditions everything will be fine. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I assume that even in a non-union state in the Midwest the conditions for workers are very well acceptable.
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