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Subject: Game boards and aces rss

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Daronicus Rex
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I've been checking out all the cool game board designs that the BGG members posted here. However, in just about every board I've seen, the ace squares seem to be one space too early.

In both Perudo and Liar's Dice, as far as I have ever learned, the rank of the die is 2-3-4-5-6-Ace, even when the Ace is not wild (like in a palafico round).

With the Aces wild doubling/halving rule, this means that 8x6 can be raised to 4xAce (in fact, this particular example is explicitly stated in the published rules). Because Ace is the highest rank, the only way to go from there is to increase the count, either to 5xAce or to 9x2 or higher.

In a palafico round, where Ace is not wild, a valid raise is 8x6 to 8xAce, and 8xAce cannot be raised to 8x2 (only 9x2 or higher).

So in terms of game board squares, the order should be

1 x number
2 x number
1 x Ace (wild)
3 x number
4 x number
2 x Ace (wild)
5 x number
...

Because the doubling/halving rule is so thoroughly described and documented, I am surprised to see all the game boards designed as though Ace is the lowest rank -- at least the ones that I checked out.

Any thoughts on this?
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Wait, I just found one board that matches my understanding: http://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/85587/perudo-bidding-track
 
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Your argument makes no sense. Once aces are wild they are neither high not low but something apart. Then whether you put aces above or below the nominally equivalent position is a design choice, there's nothing right or wrong about it, just what plays better.
 
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Semantics. Perudo ranks aces as high even when not wild. Perudo also states explicitly that when aces are wild and a player bids aces under the wild doubling/halving rule, one ace is higher than two sixes: their rules, not mine.

In this case, when *bidding* wild aces, we are talking about the aces not for their nominal wild value but as a biddable entity that outranks sixes. To observe this official Perudo rule on the game boards mentioned, one would have to move the marker backward, which seems counterintuitive.

If you don't care about the Perudo rules and want to play another way, that's perfectly fine. I was just curious as to why most of the posted boards run contrary to the published Perudo rules.

Maybe there's a common variant of Liar's Dice (not Perudo) in which aces are low (but bidding wilds are still halved/doubled). That would explain why most of the member-contributed game boards I've seen are laid out the way they are.
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Bluff is the version of Liar's Dice that won SdJ, so I suppose that makes it influential. As you can see above, its dice are 1 2 3 4 5 , and it puts n/2 before n. I think the logic is that you're not going to bid unless you have some, so you're probably depending less on other players' dice.

So, I think most people copy the Bluff board.
 
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Thanks, Walt. That's helpful. I've never played Bluff as such but always Perudo or a Perudo-Liar's Dice hybrid. Your comment explains a lot.
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Daronicus wrote:
Semantics.


Really not what that word means.

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Perudo ranks aces as high even when not wild. Perudo also states explicitly that when aces are wild and a player bids aces under the wild doubling/halving rule, one ace is higher than two sixes: their rules, not mine.

In this case, when *bidding* wild aces, we are talking about the aces not for their nominal wild value but as a biddable entity that outranks sixes. To observe this official Perudo rule on the game boards mentioned, one would have to move the marker backward, which seems counterintuitive.


So you're actually complaining about a board designed for one approach being used for the other. Of course. All the stuff about aces high is just irrelevant noise.
 
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Dearlove wrote:
Daronicus wrote:
Semantics.


Really not what that word means.


Semantics!
 
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