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Ed: Initial Post removed by OP.


travis7 wrote:
Please do not do this any more.

I do not like the idea of games that cannot be played without an app.

Apps go out of date and at some point in the future the technology will not allow the app to be used on it.

Apps go wrong with frightening frequency.

We spend so much time at work trying to fight against the computers going wrong. Win 10 update was a nightmare. Win 10 Anniversary Ed update is presently a nightmare. The last thing I want to do is get this digital madness taking over my fun-time. Board games are board games. Let us leave it that way. Please stop the App/Board Game hybrid.


No.

Next?

p.s. This is just the nerdy version of "please, Mrs Congresswomen, legislate all the things I don't personally like." Your reasons for not liking this are all perfectly valid, for you. However, one should never lose sight of the highly subjective nature of all this.

I work at a desk with a computer all day.
I go home and play videos games.
I write electronic music (granted, in hardware).
I write code in my spare time.
90% of my news comes from the web, all day.

I personally don't need an artificial bifurcation of my day into "work time with computers" and "home time with no screens." You do, and that's fine.. but not everybody else does.


The benefits of this union outweighs the negatives, imho. Procedural remixing of content is amazing, and the narrative immersion the app overs (audio, text, etc) can exceed what could come in the average analog core box.
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Please do not do THIS anymore. If you don't want to play a game with an integrated app then play any of the literally thousands of others that came out this year or the tens of thousands that came out prior. Let the rest of us enjoy what is an absolutely amazing experience.
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No one is railroading you. There are plenty of other games that dont use apps...plenty.
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There will always be board games that have no apps. Just because there are some that are making use of apps doesn't automatically make those app-less games disappear. Just because you don't like the idea of hybrid games doesn't mean they shouldn't exist. If you don't like them, don't play them, and allow the people who do enjoy them to have their fun.

If you're just upset that Mansions of madness in particular now has an app attached to it, then just stick with 1st edition.
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Thanks for being an exemplar for this baffling position. I give my view on this subject here:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1616568/app-makes-great-boa...


 
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Throw your Windows computer in the garbage and your life immediately gets 100% better. Then get yourself set up with a Mac and enjoy happiness. Then try not to ruin said happiness with complaints about apps and boardgames.
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Have these people even tried the apps yet? I feel like they're just being contrarian. Road to legend was glorious.
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I think app assisted boardgames are great and a way for solo players to enjoy games they would like to play, but unable to due to lack of players.
I have a lot of boardgames sitting on a shelf that I have yet to play (ie Fury of Dracula)because nobody wants to take the time to play it or don't have the time to play it.
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I would have preferred this to be an App that supported the game based on the original, much like they did with Descent. They could have put out an expansion for the original game and then offered the App. That way they could sell more copies of the original game. This would also allow them to offer new content for those that own and play the original.

I'm watching the reviews....
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I can say with 100% certainty that I wouldn't have given this game a second glance if the app hadn't been included.

I really sweated over purchasing the 1st edition ages back, but was turned off by the limited replay ability of the core scenarios, and fiddly Keeper role. This seems to fix both of those concerns, at least in theory.

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zpeteman wrote:
Throw your Windows computer in the garbage and your life immediately gets 100% better. Then get yourself set up with a Mac and enjoy happiness. Then try not to ruin said happiness with complaints about apps and boardgames.


Or even better, run it on a tablet like it's supposed to be. Who is going to bring a Mac to the table?
 
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We do.
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Played it on a laptop plugged on a TV. I had the laptop, others saw the TV who stood behind me on the sideboard. They never really had to look at it, as the narrative part was done by me. Felt a little like GMing but without all the tedious preparation. It worked solo and it worked with a group. I read the flavour, put up the exploration-tokens, hit continue and so forth. Only time we switched places was during the riddles. I'm planning to use the app on my tablet and TV via Apple TV to be able to just hand the tablet to another player.
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They should just make app open source...
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Exilfranke wrote:
Played it on a laptop plugged on a TV. I had the laptop, others saw the TV who stood behind me on the sideboard. They never really had to look at it, as the narrative part was done by me. Felt a little like GMing but without all the tedious preparation. It worked solo and it worked with a group. I read the flavour, put up the exploration-tokens, hit continue and so forth. Only time we switched places was during the riddles. I'm planning to use the app on my tablet and TV via Apple TV to be able to just hand the tablet to another player.



I didn't even think about that. I should try that. It's too bad Xcom runs in portrait mode, or I'd do that the same thing...
 
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If this really bugs you, don't forget that there are already 80000 analogue games you can pick up. If in twenty years, half the new games come with apps, that still leaves 500 new games (out of 1000) a year to choose from. Plus the existing 80000.
Anyway, I wouldn't worry. It will never happen...holographic tables will be commonplace by then.
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Does the OP think these are FFG forums...?
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Exilfranke wrote:
Played it on a laptop plugged on a TV. I had the laptop, others saw the TV who stood behind me on the sideboard. They never really had to look at it, as the narrative part was done by me. Felt a little like GMing but without all the tedious preparation. It worked solo and it worked with a group. I read the flavour, put up the exploration-tokens, hit continue and so forth. Only time we switched places was during the riddles. I'm planning to use the app on my tablet and TV via Apple TV to be able to just hand the tablet to another player.

Nice. I wonder how well it will look using chromecast and the app.
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I still have 1st edition and plan on keeping it. I foresee a time where I might want to play fully analog - keeper vs. players, but I find the app integration exciting and it opens up lots of possibilities for the game.

Personally, I think they should have created the game as a board game with a choice of using the app, but I accept it. This isn't the dramatic-doom-future-of-board-games some have been vocal about. There's plenty of room for both to develop and exist.

I do fear that one day in the future the app will fade and no longer be supported leaving me nothing but a box of very nice components, but I also fear the end of the world. However, I'll get plenty of play-time in on this game before either of those things happen.
My perspective - it's MUCH easier to get this out, set it up and play it than with the previous version so that's a huge plus in my book.
 
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23 years since I first played Wolfenstein3D and now it's on my phone.

This whole "the app will soon be obsolete" crap is just scaremongering from people who clearly don't remember being excited about getting a maths co-processor installed!
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Trinket wrote:
23 years since I first played Wolfenstein3D and now it's on my phone.

This whole "the app will soon be obsolete" crap is just scaremongering from people who clearly don't remember being excited about getting a maths co-processor installed!


I too don't worry that much about continuity but in all fairness: you can't compare a beloved and legendary piece of software as Wolfenstein with an app serving a niche community. goo

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Jan Tuijp wrote:
Trinket wrote:
23 years since I first played Wolfenstein3D and now it's on my phone.

This whole "the app will soon be obsolete" crap is just scaremongering from people who clearly don't remember being excited about getting a maths co-processor installed!


I too don't worry that much about continuity but in all fairness: you can't compare a beloved and legendary piece of software as Wolfenstein with an app serving a niche community. goo



A very nerdy, tech-savvy niche community. If this were an app for fantasy football I might be concerned but not for BGG...
 
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Three Headed Monkey wrote:
Exilfranke wrote:
Played it on a laptop plugged on a TV. I had the laptop, others saw the TV who stood behind me on the sideboard. They never really had to look at it, as the narrative part was done by me. Felt a little like GMing but without all the tedious preparation. It worked solo and it worked with a group. I read the flavour, put up the exploration-tokens, hit continue and so forth. Only time we switched places was during the riddles. I'm planning to use the app on my tablet and TV via Apple TV to be able to just hand the tablet to another player.

Nice. I wonder how well it will look using chromecast and the app.


I tested it out last night, it worked well. I play my first game like that tomorrow night.
 
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Jan Tuijp wrote:
Trinket wrote:
23 years since I first played Wolfenstein3D and now it's on my phone.

This whole "the app will soon be obsolete" crap is just scaremongering from people who clearly don't remember being excited about getting a maths co-processor installed!


I too don't worry that much about continuity but in all fairness: you can't compare a beloved and legendary piece of software as Wolfenstein with an app serving a niche community. goo



Wolfenstein was made for a niche community. Now it's legendary, sure. But PC gamers were not the norm back then.
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Deano2099 wrote:

A very nerdy, tech-savvy niche community. If this were an app for fantasy football I might be concerned but not for BGG...


I propose there are far more tech-savvy individuals who take part in fantasy football than play board games, even if the % is much, much lower. But yes, worrying about obsolescence in an app, especially one for PC (going to ignore mac comments), is unnecessary.
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