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Subject: What's the best/proper way to play? rss

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Best way to play?
Standard (no optional cards; no extra influence for USA)
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I know for the vanilla version of Twilight Struggle, USSR has a significant advantage, and it's common to add in the optional cards and/or letting US start with extra influence.

At first, I was all for this, but now I'm having second thoughts, and am leaning towards playing with the optional cards and no extra influence for USA. My reasoning is that letting USA add influence fundamentally changes the early game. Here are a couple examples:

1. It restricts otherwise interesting strategies. Case in point, the "Comecon Trap," where USSR starts with control in Austria and Yugoslavia in order to get +1 realignment rolls in West Germany and Italy, can with USA's extra influence be negated largely via controlling France early on (adjacent to both W. Germany and Italy.)

2. USA can score gain domination in Europe before the first turn and headline Europe scoring for +5 points (assuming USSR doesn't headline Socialist Governments or something similar). They can also headline Middle East scoring before USSR can do anything about it.

Of course, I suppose it could also be argued it changes the metagame positively in some ways (e.g. 1st turn Iraq coup is generally harder for USSR, leading to alternative strategies). I'd like to hear other peoples' opinions.

 
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I like optional cards +1 influence to USA, but I know I'm in a minority.
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Benkyo wrote:
I like optional cards +1 influence to USA, but I know I'm in a minority.


That's the way I usually go, too, though US+2 is just about as good.
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Benkyo wrote:
I like optional cards +1 influence to USA, but I know I'm in a minority.


I am so interested that why guys on steam with +1 US have been defeated again and again and still consider +1 to US is a good option.....
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coblackmagus wrote:
Poll
Best way to play?
Standard (no optional cards; no extra influence for USA)
Optional Cards
Tournament (Bid influence for USA or USA starts with +2-3 influence)
Optional Cards + Tournament
      151 answers
Poll created by coblackmagus


I know for the vanilla version of Twilight Struggle, USSR has a significant advantage, and it's common to add in the optional cards and/or letting US start with extra influence.

At first, I was all for this, but now I'm having second thoughts, and am leaning towards playing with the optional cards and no extra influence for USA. My reasoning is that letting USA add influence fundamentally changes the early game. Here are a couple examples:

1. It restricts otherwise interesting strategies. Case in point, the "Comecon Trap," where USSR starts with control in Austria and Yugoslavia in order to get +1 realignment rolls in West Germany and Italy, can with USA's extra influence be negated largely via controlling France early on (adjacent to both W. Germany and Italy.)

2. USA can score gain domination in Europe before the first turn and headline Europe scoring for +5 points (assuming USSR doesn't headline Socialist Governments or something similar). They can also headline Middle East scoring before USSR can do anything about it.

Of course, I suppose it could also be argued it changes the metagame positively in some ways (e.g. 1st turn Iraq coup is generally harder for USSR, leading to alternative strategies). I'd like to hear other peoples' opinions.



Optional and +2 to US is the choice of wargameroom league as far as I know. I will always pick USSR if you are not going to give extra influnces....
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mkuymkuy wrote:
Benkyo wrote:
I like optional cards +1 influence to USA, but I know I'm in a minority.


I am so interested that why guys on steam with +1 US have been defeated again and again and still consider +1 to US is a good option.....

Your comment doesn't seem to be addressed to me, but you did quote me, so I'll just say I don't know, because I am not one of the "guys on steam with +1 US have been defeated again and again". On Steam I usually offer +1 to US, random sides, and so far I've won a lot of (~30) games and only lost one. Not against very experienced opponents, I'll admit, and IIRC the one loss was actually when I played as the US and got utterly flattened in the Early War for an early loss.

Regardless of all that, I like +1 to US because I like to give the US a little leg-up, while still giving the USSR a better-than-even chance of winning, as per the original game design. I'm not too concerned about balancing percentage points.

If I were playing in a tournament and actually cared more about winning than playing, I would of course only take US if I could have +2/+3 influence.
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Benkyo wrote:
mkuymkuy wrote:
Benkyo wrote:
I like optional cards +1 influence to USA, but I know I'm in a minority.


I am so interested that why guys on steam with +1 US have been defeated again and again and still consider +1 to US is a good option.....

Your comment doesn't seem to be addressed to me, but you did quote me, so I'll just say I don't know, because I am not one of the "guys on steam with +1 US have been defeated again and again". On Steam I usually offer +1 to US, random sides, and so far I've won a lot of (~30) games and only lost one. Not against very experienced opponents, I'll admit, and IIRC the one loss was actually when I played as the US and got utterly flattened in the Early War for an early loss.

Regardless of all that, I like +1 to US because I like to give the US a little leg-up, while still giving the USSR a better-than-even chance of winning, as per the original game design. I'm not too concerned about balancing percentage points.

If I were playing in a tournament and actually cared more about winning than playing, I would of course only take US if I could have +2/+3 influence.


Apologies if I did not make my comment clear. As far as I know the wargameroom league use 2 extra influences to US. And also +2 to US influences is treated as default among top players in China. It is just not convenient when I want to play US because I always get USSR while bidding......
 
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Benkyo wrote:
I like optional cards +1 influence to USA, but I know I'm in a minority.


Me too.
 
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Benkyo wrote:
mkuymkuy wrote:
Benkyo wrote:
I like optional cards +1 influence to USA, but I know I'm in a minority.


I am so interested that why guys on steam with +1 US have been defeated again and again and still consider +1 to US is a good option.....

Your comment doesn't seem to be addressed to me, but you did quote me, so I'll just say I don't know, because I am not one of the "guys on steam with +1 US have been defeated again and again". On Steam I usually offer +1 to US, random sides, and so far I've won a lot of (~30) games and only lost one. Not against very experienced opponents, I'll admit, and IIRC the one loss was actually when I played as the US and got utterly flattened in the Early War for an early loss.

Regardless of all that, I like +1 to US because I like to give the US a little leg-up, while still giving the USSR a better-than-even chance of winning, as per the original game design. I'm not too concerned about balancing percentage points.

If I were playing in a tournament and actually cared more about winning than playing, I would of course only take US if I could have +2/+3 influence.


Me too.
 
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My favorite is optional cards and +3 USA, no over control with the 3 extra. This has resulted in the most exciting games for me. The turn 1 ar1 Iran coup is no longer automatic.
 
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The results of this poll are surprising to me. I don't understand why people don't like a minor influence bump for the US. It makes the game almost perfectly balanced AND creates a far more strategically interesting T1AR1 for the USSR. It's a win-win.
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would love to see a cousin of this poll with CE promo cards and Turn Zero thoughts!
 
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