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Subject: Butterfly cards that have instant VP's and hand rss

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Looby Lou
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For the butterfly cards that don't have butterflies to add to the jar but just give you special ability victory points- they go straight into the garden..

So what happens to the hand size of 3 when I'm left with 2? There's no mention of it in the rules.

Please help, cheers
 
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Eric
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They go into your hand first. They only go into the garden after you've played one to bid for turn order.
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Mark Beazer
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Eric is correct. We were confused about this during our first play as well.

On one turn you play some card to determine turn order. When it is your turn, you pick up the VP card from the field and put it into your hand. The card you played is then put in your jar as normal.

Some later turn you play the VP card at the beginning of the turn to determine turn order. When it is your turn, you pick a new card from the field as normal. Then, rather than place the VP card in your jar, you place it in your garden (VP) area.
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erjones wrote:
They go into your hand first. They only go into the garden after you've played one to bid for turn order.


Correct.
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Loobylou wrote:
For the butterfly cards that don't have butterflies to add to the jar but just give you special ability victory points- they go straight into the garden..

The rules do say this on page 6 for cards with the Garden symbol (a quote with my highlight),

Deliver this butterfly card directly to the garden (see Step iv) and score the VPs shown. This card may not go to the jar.


But all four special action symbols are still controlled by the section heading just above that,

Step ii: Perform a Special Action
If the butterfly card
played from a player’s hand during Phase 1 has a special action icon in the upper right corner, the player may perform the action indicated by the icon.


and the part I have highlighted is even emphasized by different typeface to make it stand out.

 
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TVis wrote:
Loobylou wrote:
For the butterfly cards that don't have butterflies to add to the jar but just give you special ability victory points- they go straight into the garden..

The rules do say this on page 6 for cards with the Garden symbol (a quote with my highlight),

Deliver this butterfly card directly to the garden (see Step iv) and score the VPs shown. This card may not go to the jar.


But all four special action symbols are still controlled by the section heading just above that,

Step ii: Perform a Special Action
If the butterfly card
played from a player’s hand during Phase 1 has a special action icon in the upper right corner, the player may perform the action indicated by the icon.


and the part I have highlighted is even emphasized by different typeface to make it stand out.



To put it another way "immediate delivery" is a special power. All special powers are activated during the player's turn in which s/he plays a special action card.

No special actions are activated upon receiving a card, but only when played and at the time specified. "Immediate" refers to the fact that it is not delivered to the jar and done immediately after the power is activated.

Perhaps the rule was poorly worded.
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drfinn wrote:

To put it another way "immediate delivery" is a special power. All special powers are activated during the player's turn in which s/he plays a special action card.

No special actions are activated upon receiving a card, but only when played and at the time specified. "Immediate" refers to the fact that it is not delivered to the jar and done immediately after the power is activated.

I wonder how much the card design effects the way people think about it. Was there ever a point where the Immediate Delivery cards were templated as a special power? Instead of the very different look that they shipped with?
 
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Temeraire wrote:
drfinn wrote:

To put it another way "immediate delivery" is a special power. All special powers are activated during the player's turn in which s/he plays a special action card.

No special actions are activated upon receiving a card, but only when played and at the time specified. "Immediate" refers to the fact that it is not delivered to the jar and done immediately after the power is activated.

I wonder how much the card design effects the way people think about it. Was there ever a point where the Immediate Delivery cards were templated as a special power? Instead of the very different look that they shipped with?


Yes, they were, and it often led to a long discussion with advocates on both sides. Needless to say, I decided on the design that made the card look more like a garden card, so that it would look better when tucked under the other garden cards.
 
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For what it's worth we did have a small question about how it was played as well. But through process of elimination (it couldn't go that way, it doesn't make sense if we do it this way) we figured it out in a couple of minutes. Once you play those cards as they are intended to be played it's hard ti imagine them being played any other way.

The game is truly a huge hit with my gamer friends and non-gamer family/friends. Moreso than I had hoped it would be. There's enough strategy to keep the gamers happy and the strategy is accessible enough that the non-gamers have winning chances too. It's surprisingly back-stabby at times just by default of the mechanics. Which any good game should be IMO.

I'll write a review with pictures soon. We have yet to use the special action cards. They look like they could be a lot of fun, but until we use them it's difficult to say.

 
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Maddest Hatter wrote:
For what it's worth we did have a small question about how it was played as well. But through process of elimination (it couldn't go that way, it doesn't make sense if we do it this way) we figured it out in a couple of minutes. Once you play those cards as they are intended to be played it's hard ti imagine them being played any other way.

The game is truly a huge hit with my gamer friends and non-gamer family/friends. Moreso than I had hoped it would be. There's enough strategy to keep the gamers happy and the strategy is accessible enough that the non-gamers have winning chances too. It's surprisingly back-stabby at times just by default of the mechanics. Which any good game should be IMO.

I'll write a review with pictures soon. We have yet to use the special action cards. They look like they could be a lot of fun, but until we use them it's difficult to say.



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