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Dave Smith
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Camelx3 lowest price £51.74

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Blood Rage

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blood-Rage-Board-Game-Core/dp/B013T...

Doubt a Flubit will work as the delivery time is 2-3 weeks, worth a try if you get a merchant that is not Fireworks.

 
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I'm still holding hope that one day there'll be a much cheaper 'eurogame' edition. Same rules, but wooden meeples instead.
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Oooooh! Nice! I really wish I hadn't seen your post.
 
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Got a Flubit at under £47.00 but it's Fireworks who will more than likely cancel it as it's not available for immediate delivery.

I do have time to see if they do as I have ordered it with Amazon direct with a 2-3 week delivery window.


 
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the_bengine wrote:
I'm still holding hope that one day there'll be a much cheaper 'eurogame' edition. Same rules, but wooden meeples instead.


Not a chance, I would have thought.
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the_bengine wrote:
I'm still holding hope that one day there'll be a much cheaper 'eurogame' edition. Same rules, but wooden meeples instead.


On Ebay, I've seen people selling just the board, rules and the cards after they cannibalise the base game for the miniatures. If you could get one of these, you could make your own version using cubes and meeples from other games.
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brattle wrote:
the_bengine wrote:
I'm still holding hope that one day there'll be a much cheaper 'eurogame' edition. Same rules, but wooden meeples instead.


On Ebay, I've seen people selling just the board, rules and the cards after they cannibalize the base game for the miniatures. If you could get one of these, you could make your own version using cubes and meeples from other games.


but isn't that most likely a knock-off pirate version?

As it just seems more likely that is the case than a numebr of people bought a very expensive game on KS just for the mechs?

Or I could just be old and far too sensible!
 
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the_bengine wrote:
I'm still holding hope that one day there'll be a much cheaper 'eurogame' edition. Same rules, but wooden meeples instead.

Wouldn't that just be Midgard?

There would be certain practical issues with the monsters if using meeples. Would you have a custom meeple for each monster driving up the expense? How would you signify who owns what monster? (I've never seen coloured bases for meeples)

While the minis may feel like chrome, they are in fact conveying some information to the players.
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the_bengine wrote:
I'm still holding hope that one day there'll be a much cheaper 'eurogame' edition. Same rules, but wooden meeples instead.

A new release by DullMeepleOrNot, I suppose.
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feign wrote:
brattle wrote:
the_bengine wrote:
I'm still holding hope that one day there'll be a much cheaper 'eurogame' edition. Same rules, but wooden meeples instead.


On Ebay, I've seen people selling just the board, rules and the cards after they cannibalize the base game for the miniatures. If you could get one of these, you could make your own version using cubes and meeples from other games.


but isn't that most likely a knock-off pirate version?

As it just seems more likely that is the case than a numebr of people bought a very expensive game on KS just for the mechs?

Or I could just be old and far too sensible!


I've seen people list them for as little as a fiver BIN. Seems a bit odd to go to the trouble of pirating just the cards, board and instructions in order to sell them to what must be a very limited market and then only making a fiver from it. If you were going to pirate something, surely it would be a game that was complete with just the cardboard components (e.g. the new printing of Ra which costs £50 new)?

I think some people just buy games for the minis. It might seem bizarre to you and me, but the cost of decent minis from a game like Blood Rage can work out cheaper than buying dedicated minis from say Games Workshop. This is partly why games with minis raise kabillions on Kick Starter.
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brattle wrote:
feign wrote:
brattle wrote:
the_bengine wrote:
I'm still holding hope that one day there'll be a much cheaper 'eurogame' edition. Same rules, but wooden meeples instead.


On Ebay, I've seen people selling just the board, rules and the cards after they cannibalize the base game for the miniatures. If you could get one of these, you could make your own version using cubes and meeples from other games.


but isn't that most likely a knock-off pirate version?

As it just seems more likely that is the case than a numebr of people bought a very expensive game on KS just for the mechs?

Or I could just be old and far too sensible!


I've seen people list them for as little as a fiver BIN. Seems a bit odd to go to the trouble of pirating just the cards, board and instructions in order to sell them to what must be a very limited market and then only making a fiver from it. If you were going to pirate something, surely it would be a game that was complete with just the cardboard components (e.g. the new printing of Ra which costs £50 new)?

I think some people just buy games for the minis. It might seem bizarre to you and me, but the cost of decent minis from a game like Blood Rage can work out cheaper than buying dedicated minis from say Games Workshop. This is partly why games with minis raise kabillions on Kick Starter.


At £5 BIN, I would be 99.99% sure that's a cheap sourced knock-off.

I spent about 1/3 of my last 2 years working with 3rd party manufacturing partners (for consumer electronics and other devices) and I know how cheaply some of these things can be made if you're not that bothered about final quality/colour rendition/minimized packing. There are threads in this forum about cheap games directly from Chinese websites and even though those games come out at 1/3rd delivered of the European price, with no royalties, QC, reduced cost components, I'd be sure that the ex-works price is still 90% profit.
 
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I would have thought that having the proper game components would be important to get to experience the game properly.

Just my opinion as I have just ordered this game and have never played it before.

 
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At £5 BIN, I would be 99.99% sure that's a cheap sourced knock-off.


Just to add my £0.02. I bought a copy of Deathwatch: Overkill from my FLGS that a customer had removed the minis from, for £5. Everything else is sealed and it's a bona fide GW product. I've also seen similar copies of Assassinorum: Execution Force and Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower just edging into double figures.

My feeling is that unless it's a long OOP title then minis games sans mins aren't worth much money.
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True_Dave wrote:
feign wrote:
At £5 BIN, I would be 99.99% sure that's a cheap sourced knock-off.


Just to add my £0.02. I bought a copy of Deathwatch: Overkill from my FLGS that a customer had removed the minis from, for £5. Everything else is sealed and it's a bona fide GW product. I've also seen similar copies of Assassinorum: Execution Force and Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower just edging into double figures.

My feeling is that unless it's a long OOP title then minis games sans mins aren't worth much money.


Interesting. I don't like minis. I usually replace them by plastic colour tokens. How do you look for those deals?
 
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True_Dave wrote:
feign wrote:
At £5 BIN, I would be 99.99% sure that's a cheap sourced knock-off.


Just to add my £0.02. I bought a copy of Deathwatch: Overkill from my FLGS that a customer had removed the minis from, for £5. Everything else is sealed and it's a bona fide GW product. I've also seen similar copies of Assassinorum: Execution Force and Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower just edging into double figures.

My feeling is that unless it's a long OOP title then minis games sans mins aren't worth much money.


Interesting. I don't like minis. I usually replace them by plastic colour tokens. How do you look for those deals?


I just walked into my FLGS one day and they had a pile of them. They buy and sell second hand games, so you never really know what you'll fund.

A quick search on ebay shows The Troll Trader (feedback score 236,766 99.9% positive) is listing more than 10 copies of Warhammer Quest Silver Tower without minis for £15.99 or best offer with free postage (although this is likely to be UK only). But my point is that they're looking to make a profit, not just offload some game parts that hold no interest for them, and I doubt they'd damage their reputation by offering knock offs.

Another example is Deathwatch Overkill with no minis delivered for £9.99 from wytchfire-studio (feedback 19675 99.9% positive), and other copies with opening bids at 99p with postage being less than £4.

Yes, these are all UK prices, but I think they help illustrate the point I was trying to make.

I'm not a fan of minis anymore either, I bought some MDF discs of eBay* to paint and label as WH40K armies. Now my Marines and Ork Horde fit in my pockets.

*Yep, I like eBay.
 
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feign wrote:
brattle wrote:
feign wrote:
brattle wrote:
the_bengine wrote:
I'm still holding hope that one day there'll be a much cheaper 'eurogame' edition. Same rules, but wooden meeples instead.


On Ebay, I've seen people selling just the board, rules and the cards after they cannibalize the base game for the miniatures. If you could get one of these, you could make your own version using cubes and meeples from other games.


but isn't that most likely a knock-off pirate version?

As it just seems more likely that is the case than a numebr of people bought a very expensive game on KS just for the mechs?

Or I could just be old and far too sensible!


I've seen people list them for as little as a fiver BIN. Seems a bit odd to go to the trouble of pirating just the cards, board and instructions in order to sell them to what must be a very limited market and then only making a fiver from it. If you were going to pirate something, surely it would be a game that was complete with just the cardboard components (e.g. the new printing of Ra which costs £50 new)?

I think some people just buy games for the minis. It might seem bizarre to you and me, but the cost of decent minis from a game like Blood Rage can work out cheaper than buying dedicated minis from say Games Workshop. This is partly why games with minis raise kabillions on Kick Starter.


At £5 BIN, I would be 99.99% sure that's a cheap sourced knock-off.

I spent about 1/3 of my last 2 years working with 3rd party manufacturing partners (for consumer electronics and other devices) and I know how cheaply some of these things can be made if you're not that bothered about final quality/colour rendition/minimized packing. There are threads in this forum about cheap games directly from Chinese websites and even though those games come out at 1/3rd delivered of the European price, with no royalties, QC, reduced cost components, I'd be sure that the ex-works price is still 90% profit.


Without wanting to derail this thread for people looking for a bargain, regardless of the potential profit margin, it makes zero sense to knock off half a board game that is completely unplayable and then sell it. Sorry for this indulgence, but I cannot resist:

'Hey Joe, I've got a brilliant idea about which board game we could knock off next.'

'What's that Frank?"

'Well, you know that game Blood Rage that's real popular at the moment, we copy that.'

'Brilliant idea Frank, the kickstarter copies of those with exclusive minis sell for £300 on Ebay.'

'Yeah Joe, but the version we're going to sell has no minis at all and will be completely unplayable!'

'Say again Frank?'

'Yeah, minis are boring Joe, so let's just copy half the game which is utterly useless without the minis. Even better, we'll sell this useless game for a fiver. I can see the money rolling in right now!'.

'Err....Frank. Why don't we just copy a game like Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective. That's out of print at the moment and it only has paper components. We could easily produce a complete game and sell it for at least the asking price of £30?'

'You have no vision Joe. Fiver copies of unplayable board games are the future!'
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feign wrote:
I spent about 1/3 of my last 2 years working with 3rd party manufacturing partners (for consumer electronics and other devices) and I know how cheaply some of these things can be made if you're not that bothered about final quality/colour rendition/minimized packing. There are threads in this forum about cheap games directly from Chinese websites and even though those games come out at 1/3rd delivered of the European price, with no royalties, QC, reduced cost components, I'd be sure that the ex-works price is still 90% profit.


I had a similar experience when involved with competitive mountain biking.

In the late 90's hardcore hardtail frames were starting to become popular, and it tended to be only a handful of specialised companies that offered them at first. They'd put in all the effort into R&D, getting the geometry sorted, finding and strengthening the weak points and comission a factory (usually in Taiwan) to manufacture the frames. After the order had been fufulled the factory would just keep making them until a different order came in or people stopped buying them, after all they were already tooled up for the job. Because the people buying these excess frames didn't have to recoup R&D and marketing etc costs they were able to offer them significantly cheaper. There was one quite sizable company who's whole business model was based on importing these frames into the UK.

But I'm not convinced this is the case here. The chinese games I've seen tend to be a bit obvious, and I'm not just talking about the ones that look like their business partyner described the game down the phone to them. At the end of the day, you can always check the feedback of the seller and pay with paypal.
 
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Amazon updated my order to arriving on Monday.

Price still £51.74

Flubit was under £48 with delivery in October.
 
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I managed to pick it up for £43 from Amazon.co.uk
 
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Re: Blood Rage @ Amazon direct EXPIRED
Mine arrived OK today

Amazon have 10 copies left, still at £51.74. Flubit could be worth it now since it is in stock

The price has now gone up to £64.99
 
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