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Here's an interesting article about English. The author claims we all use some unwritten rules, except they are written in his book. For example, he claims, “Adjectives in English absolutely have to be in this order: opinion-size-age-shape-colour-origin-material-purpose Noun. So you can have a lovely little old rectangular green French silver whittling knife. But if you mess with that word order in the slightest you’ll sound like a maniac. It’s an odd thing that every English speaker uses that list, but almost none of us could write it out.”

I'm not sure I agree, though some words must be kept apart, like green and silver, since together you'd probably read silver as a color and the pair as a particular shade of one. More generally, you have to make sure sequential words are taking as modifying the ending noun, not the subsequent adjective. So maybe, "A lovely old French little silver rectangular green whittling knife." Or am I a maniac?

He also notes it's always i-o or i-a: tick tock, clip clop, chit chat.

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160908-the-language-rules...
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What a 'character'! HE should 'converse' with Watson and RESOLVE which "language" confounded THAT best!
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I wonder in what sheltered Lilly white established old upper crust city of fancy pants he came to this conclusion.
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Koldfoot wrote:
I wonder in what sheltered Lilly white established old upper crust city of fancy pants he came to this conclusion.






I'm usually not a fan of the obligatory response, but that was masterful.
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Koldfoot wrote:
I wonder in what sheltered Lilly white established old upper crust city of fancy pants he came to this conclusion.

London. His blog has some interesting stuff, and I did find the BBC article interesting even if I didn't agree with the adjective thing. Who knows: maybe that order is more enforced in England, though his thesis that "we don't know we know" the rule implies not.

Here's another interesting thing, the most common names in Europe:


So, a Ferrari is an iron smith.
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Koldfoot wrote:
I wonder in what sheltered Lilly white established old upper crust city of fancy pants he came to this conclusion.
Perhaps some 'poached' "Ivory Tower" of 'faulty' "acumen"? Your *Duckage Surprise* may vary...
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Chat chit.... get banged.
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Tall_Walt wrote:
“Adjectives in English absolutely have to be in this order: opinion-size-age-shape-colour-origin-material-purpose Noun.

I think if you try to load eight adjectives on a single noun you are torturing the language. And the order is bogus.

"A lovely old French little silver rectangular green whittling knife."

Whereas this is what they'd say on Antiques Roadshow:

"A little old French whittling knife, rectangular in shape, made of silver with a green handle, quite lovely, impaling a self-important linguist."
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I have some experience dealing with this as an English teacher here in Korea. I would say that generally the opinion and color/origin/material parts are things we closely adhere to, but the stuff in between we tend to jumble up.

For example, we would say 'my brown leather jacket' not 'my leather brown jacket'. One example that many Koreans say is 'Korean traditional food'. I correct that to 'traditional Korean food' because it is Korean food that happens to be traditional, as opposed to traditional food that happens to be Korean.

It is not a very hard rule, but some combinations do sound a little funny, so there is a general acceptance of that sort of order.
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Koldfoot wrote:
I wonder in what sheltered Lilly white established old upper crust city of fancy pants he came to this conclusion.
I suspect a small orange cheese baboon one.
 
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