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It's always fun to see what the Flat Earthers are up to:

http://burstdaily.com/news/flat-earth-comeback/


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(P.S. And if you haven't read Terry Pratchett's superb Discworld series (about a flat world with wizards and dragons and such) I highly recommend it.)
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Ferretman wrote:
It's always fun to see what the Flat Earthers are up to:

http://burstdaily.com/news/flat-earth-comeback/


Ferret

(P.S. And if you haven't read Terry Pratchett's superb Discworld series (about a flat world with wizards and dragons and such) I highly recommend it.)


Discworld books can't be recommended highly enough.
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Doc Mage wrote:
Ferretman wrote:
It's always fun to see what the Flat Earthers are up to:

http://burstdaily.com/news/flat-earth-comeback/


Ferret

(P.S. And if you haven't read Terry Pratchett's superb Discworld series (about a flat world with wizards and dragons and such) I highly recommend it.)


Discworld books can't be recommended highly enough.

Is Discworld somewhat in the vein of The Ringworld trilogy?

And how is this "movement" making a comeback? People are stupid.
 
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Its fun to think about the 99% of scientists back then who all had consensus that the earth was flat. I sure hope we can learn from those knuckleheads.
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Its fun to think about the 99% of scientists back then who all had consensus that the earth was flat. I sure hope we can learn from those knuckleheads.

Yeah, the 15th and 16th centuries were chock full of scientists following the science methodology and protocols we have today.

Besides, most people even around the time of Christ knew the world was flat. Watch a ship with a mast head off on the water. After a while, it appears to sink, then disappear (beyond the horizon) and then returns. Only way that can happen is .....



.... wait for it....


If the world is round.
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remorseless1 wrote:
Doc Mage wrote:
Ferretman wrote:
It's always fun to see what the Flat Earthers are up to:

http://burstdaily.com/news/flat-earth-comeback/


Ferret

(P.S. And if you haven't read Terry Pratchett's superb Discworld series (about a flat world with wizards and dragons and such) I highly recommend it.)


Discworld books can't be recommended highly enough.

Is Discworld somewhat in the vein of The Ringworld trilogy?


The idea is similar but more old-fashioned. Niven postulated what an advanced civilization might build. Pratchett started with "what if those original beliefs were true?" and went with that.

Curiously enough he wrote a science fiction novel in his early days called Strata. In it, a space exploration team discovers a vast, flat planet much as the Flat Earth postulates. Good reading.



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Ferretman wrote:
It's always fun to see what the Flat Earthers are up to:

http://burstdaily.com/news/flat-earth-comeback/


Ferret

(P.S. And if you haven't read Terry Pratchett's superb Discworld series (about a flat world with wizards and dragons and such) I highly recommend it.)


First 2 or 3 Xanth books put Diskworld to shame.
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Ferretman wrote:
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Ferretman wrote:
It's always fun to see what the Flat Earthers are up to:

http://burstdaily.com/news/flat-earth-comeback/


Ferret

(P.S. And if you haven't read Terry Pratchett's superb Discworld series (about a flat world with wizards and dragons and such) I highly recommend it.)


Discworld books can't be recommended highly enough.

Is Discworld somewhat in the vein of The Ringworld trilogy?


The idea is similar but more old-fashioned. Niven postulated what an advanced civilization might build. Pratchett started with "what if those original beliefs were true?" and went with that.

Curiously enough he wrote a science fiction novel in his early days called Strata. In it, a space exploration team discovers a vast, flat planet much as the Flat Earth postulates. Good reading.



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Yeah, my bad. I posted before I realized you included magic and dragons in the description. But I will look them up. Thanks for the tip.
 
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Is Discworld somewhat in the vein of The Ringworld trilogy?


Nope. Discworld books are basically sophisticated satires of modern life, using a fantasy world as the setting. They're very funny in that dry British sense. I liked the Ringworld books, but the tone and style are utterly different.
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Its fun to think about the 99% of scientists back then who all had consensus that the earth was flat. I sure hope we can learn from those knuckleheads.

Eratosthenes proved the earth was spherical in 240 B.C. AND calculated the circumference of the earth.
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Nope. Discworld books are basically sophisticated satires of modern life, using a fantasy world as the setting. They're very funny in that dry British sense. I liked the Ringworld books, but the tone and style are utterly different.
Yeah, sort of like a fantasy Hitchhiker's Guide with less satire and joke density and maybe not so much on the nose.
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Ferretman wrote:
It's always fun to see what the Flat Earthers are up to:

http://burstdaily.com/news/flat-earth-comeback/


Ferret

(P.S. And if you haven't read Terry Pratchett's superb Discworld series (about a flat world with wizards and dragons and such) I highly recommend it.)


I don't tend to agree with you, but we can agree on that.

Edit: I had assumed that was going to be the same piece I saw recently on flat earthers. But actually it's a different one. It's not worrying investing the effort in commenting on it though. (I did once read something from someone written before spacecraft and when most people hadn't flown, thinking about how he knew the earth was round without relying on experts. It might have been George Orwell, but don't bet on it. He came to the conclusion he could definitely tell it wasn't flat, but couldn't see to know it was a sphere. I think he failed to think about eclipses of the moon.)
 
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remorseless1 wrote:
Doc Mage wrote:
Ferretman wrote:
It's always fun to see what the Flat Earthers are up to:

http://burstdaily.com/news/flat-earth-comeback/


Ferret

(P.S. And if you haven't read Terry Pratchett's superb Discworld series (about a flat world with wizards and dragons and such) I highly recommend it.)


Discworld books can't be recommended highly enough.

Is Discworld somewhat in the vein of The Ringworld trilogy?


Short answer: no. Ringworld is SF, Discworld is fantasy. Ringworld is serious, Discworld is not. Ringworld is written by a decent writer. Discworld is written by a better writer.

Edit: Actually Discworld has some very serious messages. But you have to interpret them.
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jeremycobert wrote:
Its fun to think about the 99% of scientists back then who all had consensus that the earth was flat. I sure hope we can learn from those knuckleheads.


There never was such a time. Recognition that the world was a sphere by the educated predates science in the modern sense. (And long predates the word.) even if you consider earlier, the precursors of science in Greek civilisation, by the later stages of that it was also understood. Even the size was estimated.

(And if you've picked up on the Columbus myth, the truth is that all knew the world was round. Columbus was the one who was wrong but lucky in his estimate of the size. Unless he had other evidence and fudged his estimates assuming American was Asia - as he did.)

I'd also recommend an Asimov essay "The Relativity of Wrong". But I expect I'd be wasting my time.)
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Ferretman wrote:
It's always fun to see what the Flat Earthers are up to:

http://burstdaily.com/news/flat-earth-comeback/


Ferret

(P.S. And if you haven't read Terry Pratchett's superb Discworld series (about a flat world with wizards and dragons and such) I highly recommend it.)


First 2 or 3 Xanth books put Diskworld to shame.


Clueless, simply clueless.

Now to be fair, the first Xanth book had some things going for it. But it went down hill fast after that. The first two Discworld books are by later standards weak, Pratchett was finding his feet, the series then took off ramping up from the third. By then Pratchett had left Anthony in the dust. (later Pratchett levelled off, went a bit into a repetitious decline, then picked back up again to include some almost as good as his best.)
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Proven wrong centuries ago, why do people still believe their news source is telling the truth when they are proven to be lying?

Anyone here know a flat earthier? Any one at all?

I know someone on the Internet who I'm pretty sure is truthful when they say there is a conspiracy of dominionist theologians and is not afraid to broadcast his wackiness.

I'm kind of sure that I must know somebody who thinks the world is controlled by a reptilian mafia.

Has anyone ever met someone who thought the world was flat in real life?

It has been known that the earth is spherical for thousands of years. Ferdinand and isabella didn't think Columbus was doomed to fall off the edge of the world, they thought he was doomed because they knew how big the world was and knew he couldn't possibly pack for such a long trip. Columbus thought the world was much smaller.0
 
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wifwendell wrote:
Nope. Discworld books are basically sophisticated satires of modern life, using a fantasy world as the setting. They're very funny in that dry British sense. I liked the Ringworld books, but the tone and style are utterly different.
Yeah, sort of like a fantasy Hitchhiker's Guide with less satire and joke density and maybe not so much on the nose.


Since this is RSP, read Small Gods.
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I'm pretty sure flat earthers are just internet trolls to piss people off. It's working well.
 
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Nope. Discworld books are basically sophisticated satires of modern life, using a fantasy world as the setting. They're very funny in that dry British sense. I liked the Ringworld books, but the tone and style are utterly different.
Yeah, sort of like a fantasy Hitchhiker's Guide with less satire and joke density and maybe not so much on the nose.


Since this is RSP, read Small Gods.


One of my favorite TP/NG works. I'm also incredibly sad at the passing of Granny Weatherwax but it felt like great closure to one of the greatest Discworld characters. It's a pity we'll never know what ends up happening with Rincewind or Vimes/Moist.

As for Ringworld Niven tried to base his series on much harder SF as the series went on. The later 2 books in the original series were a reaction to various community efforts plugging in the numbers for things and finding faults like the ringworld being unstable. The prelude books are a mixed bag with the man-kzin wars and the puppeteers saga.
 
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windsagio wrote:
Ferretman wrote:
It's always fun to see what the Flat Earthers are up to:

http://burstdaily.com/news/flat-earth-comeback/


Ferret

(P.S. And if you haven't read Terry Pratchett's superb Discworld series (about a flat world with wizards and dragons and such) I highly recommend it.)


First 2 or 3 Xanth books put Diskworld to shame.


You have been deducted points for not using a groan-able pun.
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I'm pretty sure flat earthers are just internet trolls to piss people off. It's working well.


Another flavor of FSMers. "Lawkes, people present us evidence and we deny it and choose our own. Isn't our performance art grand?"
 
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Its fun to think about the 99% of scientists back then who all had consensus that the earth was flat. I sure hope we can learn from those knuckleheads.


It's been known for thousands of years that the earth is spherical. One 'proof' is the existence of a horizon at sea, and the fact that as objects -- ships or mountains -- come over the horizon the top of the object appears first, and then the rest of it, from the top down. The idea that people thought the earth was flat in Columbus' day is a myth which seems to have been created by an American school teacher in the early 19th century -- but that needs to be researched.

The reason Columbus had such a difficult time getting a financier for his expedition was that it was known not only that the earth was a sphere, but what its size was -- and it was known, therefore, just how far Columbus would have to travel to reach Asia by sailing westward. (Eratosthenes, in 240 BC, using basic trigonometry, had estimated the circumference of the earth, and had arrived at a remarkably good estimate. Evidently his figure had become widely accepted.)

So why did Columbus think he could reach Asia? He was one of a minority of people who thought the earth was smaller than it was, and he argued, from his theory of a small earth, that Asia was just about where America turned out to be. Why did he successfully predict that a continent would be just about where it was? My personal speculation is that knowledge of the Vikings' discovery of 'Vinland' was circulated, as a piece of arcana, among a small group of Europeans -- and that this group, which accepted the veracity of the Viking discovery, and reasoning that 'Vinland' must be part of Asia, back-calculated a new figure for the size of the earth.

EDIT: Just read Koldfoot's earlier comment (I wrote this before reading the intervening posts).
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galad2003 wrote:
I'm pretty sure flat earthers are just internet trolls to piss people off. It's working well.


I agree with you -- at least, regarding the people who have created the website. I could really see the fun in taking a completely outlandish notion and then weaving a long pseudo-scientific argument in its support. (Although it's not the sort of thing which I personally could bring myself to do).
 
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Proven wrong centuries ago, why do people still believe their news source is telling the truth when they are proven to be lying?

Anyone here know a flat earthier? Any one at all?

I know someone on the Internet who I'm pretty sure is truthful when they say there is a conspiracy of dominionist theologians and is not afraid to broadcast his wackiness.

I'm kind of sure that I must know somebody who thinks the world is controlled by a reptilian mafia.

Has anyone ever met someone who thought the world was flat in real life?

It has been known that the earth is spherical for thousands of years. Ferdinand and isabella didn't think Columbus was doomed to fall off the edge of the world, they thought he was doomed because they knew how big the world was and knew he couldn't possibly pack for such a long trip. Columbus thought the world was much smaller.

I'm even willing to entertain young earth creationism, but I don't really see how anyone could be a flat earther.

I thought it was clever though to hear their claim that the edge is in Antarctica and that all the evil governments were working together to keep people out. You can't even visit there without military escort
 
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galad2003 wrote:
I'm pretty sure flat earthers are just internet trolls to piss people off. It's working well.


Another flavor of FSMers. "Lawkes, people present us evidence and we deny it and choose our own. Isn't our performance art grand?"

No, there really are people who choose to be that stupid.
 
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