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"Top women chess players are threatening to boycott the world championship in Iran because they will be forced to wear hijabs. ...

The World Chess Federation (FIDE) ... has now been accused of failing to stand up for women's rights after telling players to accept the laws and respect 'cultural differences'...

'...failing to comply can lead to imprisonment (or punishment) and women's rights are being severely restricted in general. It does not feel safe for women from around the world to play here.'

'This violates all what sports means. Sport should be free of discrimination by sex, religion and sexual orientation.'"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3814137/World-chess-...

"The US women's champion, Nazi Paikidze-Barnes, will not be taking part in the event in Tehran next February..."

The woman's champion is named Nazi?

"...former Pan American champion Carla Heredia -- who did not qualify for the Tehran tournament -- also called for the 64 women who are playing there to protest against the hijab rule.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/30/middleeast/chess-iran-wome...

"Any woman found not wearing (a hijab) in public faces arrest, a fine or public admonishment. However, players claim by awarding the event to Iran Fide is turning a blind eye to sexual discrimination. ... The U.S. Department of State has issued a warning about travelling to Iran saying citizens risk being unjustly imprisoned or kidnapped because of their nationality. ...

'If you are deeply Christian why would you want to wear a symbol of Islamic oppression of women?'

FIDE is already reeling after its president, the eccentric multi-millionaire Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, was placed on a US sanctions list for alleged business dealings with Syrian president Bashar al-Assad's regime."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/29/female-chess-play...
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Fair enough, if they think this will make a difference good luck to them.

Let us hope that none of the usual anti-SJW types show up and tell us how boycotts are wrong.
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I find the term 'boycott' insulting and sexist.

It should be 'person-cott'.

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slatersteven wrote:
Fair enough, if they think this will make a difference good luck to them.

Let us hope that none of the usual anti-SJW types show up and tell us how boycotts are wrong.


Why would boycotts be wrong?
 
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dandechino wrote:
Why would boycotts be wrong?
Some people have voiced the opinion that attacking someones livelihood because they have differing views from you is wrong. (granted, this isn't one of those kind of boycotts)
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shake 'respect cultural differences'? THIS from those zealots that can't ABIDE their 'picayune disputes' regarding their OWN "religious beliefs" amongst one another?
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dandechino wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Fair enough, if they think this will make a difference good luck to them.

Let us hope that none of the usual anti-SJW types show up and tell us how boycotts are wrong.


Why would boycotts be wrong?
Well part from the fact there is some evidence they have no effect none, but then I am not one of those who says they are.
 
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TheChin! wrote:
dandechino wrote:
Why would boycotts be wrong?
Some people have voiced the opinion that attacking someones livelihood because they have differing views from you is wrong. (granted, this isn't one of those kind of boycotts)
Well apart from those who make money off the WCC.
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slatersteven wrote:
Well apart from those who make money off the WCC.
Right, but there is some difference between boycotting by not participating in something that results in objectionable consequences and boycotting by not buying something from someone you don't agree with. I think they are both legitimate, but some draw that line and say one is agreeable while the other isn't.
 
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TheChin! wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Well apart from those who make money off the WCC.
Right, but there is some difference between boycotting by not participating in something that results in objectionable consequences and boycotting by not buying something from someone you don't agree with. I think they are both legitimate, but some draw that line and say one is agreeable while the other isn't.
OK, you are right in that not participating and not buying are not the same thing.

I cannot help but be reminded of those people refusing to participate in events in RFA states.
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I'd say they should hold it there and the women should agree to wear whatever outfit Iran wants them to. Then they should just wear their normal clothes and see what Iran does. Is Iran going to throw all the female chess players in jail? I doubt it.
 
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I'd say they should hold it there and the women should agree to wear whatever outfit Iran wants them to. Then they should just wear their normal clothes and see what Iran does. Is Iran going to throw all the female chess players in jail? I doubt it.
No, but the revolutionary guard are a law unto themselves.
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No, but the revolutionary guard are a law unto themselves.
You are right, even in Saudi Arabia the religious police are not going to call in for diplomatic guidance before they nightstick a woman for showing skin.
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It's unsafe for any American to travel to Iran, hijab or no. The risk of arbitrary detention is too high.

I wonder at the statement in the article that none of the chess federations, including the US, objected to holding the championship in Iran.
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DaviddesJ wrote:


I wonder at the statement in the article that none of the chess federations, including the US, objected to holding the championship in Iran.


It's seems likely that they are trying for positive engagement and to promote the idea that their activity is "above" politics. This despite the fact that such events have been political footballs in the past.

However, your point about the inherent danger to participants is well taken given the recent history of Iran towards foreign visitors.
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slatersteven wrote:
No, but the revolutionary guard are a law unto themselves.
TheChin! wrote:
You are right, even in Saudi Arabia the religious police are not going to call in for diplomatic guidance before they nightstick a woman for showing skin.
whistle North Carolina were 'direly' "available"!
 
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Any international conference or competition in any country which imposes this kind of restriction on women attendees, should be boycotted.
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sfox wrote:
I'd say they should hold it there and the women should agree to wear whatever outfit Iran wants them to. Then they should just wear their normal clothes and see what Iran does. Is Iran going to throw all the female chess players in jail? I doubt it.


I understand your sentiment, but I don't agree with using women as pawns in a political game of 'gotcha'. We have fundamental standards and principles, and should not compromise.
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Is it supposed to be a gotcha that we filthy liberals are against forcing people to wear a hijab?

I don't think anyone reasonable thinks this is Islamophobia on anything past a second glance.
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bob_santafe wrote:
Any international conference or competition in any country which imposes this kind of restriction on women attendees, should be boycotted.


Have you seen who runs FIDE?
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From the article:

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American Grandmaster Susan Polgar, chairman of Fide's Commission for Women's Chess, has said the players need to respect ‘cultural differences’.

She said: ‘When I visited different places with different cultures, I like to show my respect by dressing up in their traditional style of clothing. No one asked me to do it. I just do it out of respect.

‘I personally would have no issues with wearing a head scarf (hijab) as long as it is the same to all players.

‘I cannot speak on behalf of others but from my personal conversations with various players in the past year, they had no real issues with it.’


interesting question.
Frankly, I think the lack of safety is more of an issue.



 
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FIDE really should have hammered out an exemption before agreeing to hold the tournament there.
 
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toku42 wrote:
FIDE really should have hammered out an exemption before agreeing to hold the tournament there.


That would be the FIDE run by someone under sanctions for "materially assisting and acting for or on behalf of the Government of Syria".
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I doubt the feminists in RSP will get upset about this type of female subjugation.Hell if the US can force people to bake a cake, then the Iranian government should be able to force women to dress like idiots.

In hind sight, holding a female competition in a nation that supports rape culture may not have been a great idea. I wonder if the people who made this decision have some ulterior motive.
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I doubt the feminists in RSP will get upset about this type of female subjugation.Hell if the US can force people to bake a cake, then the Iranian government should be able to force women to dress like idiots.


Hell the U.S. even forced the deep south to remove "colored" drinking fountains, "colored" places to dine and everything else labeled "colored". It's government overreach!

If you want to own a bakery in the United States, then you can't decide who you will and will not serve... PERIOD.

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