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In another example of his hypocritical nature, it turns out that Trump did business with an Iranian state controlled bank.

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Donald Trump’s real estate organization rented New York office space from 1998 to 2003 to an Iranian bank that U.S. authorities have linked to terrorist groups and Iran’s nuclear program.

Trump inherited Bank Melli, one of Iran’s largest state-controlled banks, as a tenant when he purchased the General Motors Building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, according to public records reviewed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and the Center for Public Integrity. The Trump Organization kept the bank on as a tenant for four more years after the U.S. Treasury Department designated Bank Melli in 1999 as being controlled by the Iranian government.

U.S. officials later alleged that Bank Melli had been used to obtain sensitive materials for Iran’s nuclear program. U.S. authorities also alleged that the bank had been used between 2002 and 2006 to funnel money to a unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that has sponsored terrorist attacks — a period that overlapped with the time the bank rented office space from Trump.

The Trump Organization’s dealings with the Iranian bank shed more light on Trump’s wide-ranging business interests, which sometimes stand at odds with his blunt declarations on the campaign trail. Trump has denounced Iran as a “big enemy,” blasted Hillary Clinton for not taking a harder line against the Iranian regime and charged that donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Foundation amounted to evidence of corruption. His five-year stint as Bank Melli’s landlord provides an example of the Trump Organization itself doing business with a government hostile to the United States.

“It’s a pretty hypocritical position to take,” said Richard Nephew, who served from 2013 to 2015 as principal deputy coordinator of sanctions policy at the U.S. State Department and spent nearly a decade working on Iran sanctions in the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. “It suggests that his principles are pretty flexible when it comes to him getting paid.”

https://www.icij.org/blog/2016/09/trumps-organization-did-bu...
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I believe the Official Conservative Opinion on this would be:

"Trump is such a successful business man, he cannot possible keep track of what business he engages in, so obviously he cannot be criticized for this"

(In contrast, of course, to Democrats - who everyone knows are always fully aware of, and completely responsible for, every action that each employee of theirs takes, as well as former employees, anyone that met an employee once, spouses, children, distant family members, people who heard their name one time before committing a crime, etc.)
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jmilum wrote:
In another example of his hypocritical nature, it turns out that Trump did business with an Iranian state controlled bank.

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Donald Trump’s real estate organization rented New York office space from 1998 to 2003 to an Iranian bank that U.S. authorities have linked to terrorist groups and Iran’s nuclear program.

Trump inherited Bank Melli, one of Iran’s largest state-controlled banks, as a tenant when he purchased the General Motors Building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, according to public records reviewed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and the Center for Public Integrity. The Trump Organization kept the bank on as a tenant for four more years after the U.S. Treasury Department designated Bank Melli in 1999 as being controlled by the Iranian government.

U.S. officials later alleged that Bank Melli had been used to obtain sensitive materials for Iran’s nuclear program. U.S. authorities also alleged that the bank had been used between 2002 and 2006 to funnel money to a unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that has sponsored terrorist attacks — a period that overlapped with the time the bank rented office space from Trump.

The Trump Organization’s dealings with the Iranian bank shed more light on Trump’s wide-ranging business interests, which sometimes stand at odds with his blunt declarations on the campaign trail. Trump has denounced Iran as a “big enemy,” blasted Hillary Clinton for not taking a harder line against the Iranian regime and charged that donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Foundation amounted to evidence of corruption. His five-year stint as Bank Melli’s landlord provides an example of the Trump Organization itself doing business with a government hostile to the United States.

“It’s a pretty hypocritical position to take,” said Richard Nephew, who served from 2013 to 2015 as principal deputy coordinator of sanctions policy at the U.S. State Department and spent nearly a decade working on Iran sanctions in the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. “It suggests that his principles are pretty flexible when it comes to him getting paid.”

https://www.icij.org/blog/2016/09/trumps-organization-did-bu...


Come on, you know what he'll say. The US government didn't take action to stop the bank from operating on US soil, so why should he, a businessman, turn that bank out on it's ear? He was following the law.

Trump followed the law when he built and ran casinos (surely an undisputed public good). Followed the law when he filed for bankruptcies. Followed the law when he stiffed suppliers on their bills. Followed the law when he appears to have paid zero federal income tax for decades(?). The proposition is, of course, that being a businessman is all about shaving the last cent of profit out of any transaction with zero obligation to your community beyond the absolute letter of the law. Who writes those laws? Politicians and /or lobbyists? Who has contributed to those politicians?

Does Trump have any scruples beyond personal profit within the "letter" of the law?
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Now we have Cuba and Iran, any day now we might get a North Korea and hit the trifecta. If there ever was a candidate more in the thrall of Mammon, I don't know of them.
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If there ever was a candidate more in the thrall of Mammon, I don't know of them.


Come on now, you can't just lob softballs to the "But Hillary!" crowd like that.
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I think that's another side effect of this campaign; Trump is getting exposure to things that usually go under the radar that I suspect a lot of bigger corporate/financial groups do as appropriate.


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could you save us some time and just lump all of your "while Trump" posts into one long post ?
 
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nope, but you are certainly free to ignore them
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jmilum wrote:
In another example of his hypocritical nature, it turns out that Trump did business with an Iranian state controlled bank.


See, well that's a good thing because as President and having had experience with legally getting around the intent of the laws he'll be able to stop others from doing that ... like the no taxes thing. It's fortunate for us that he knows about these things ..... "genius!" I believe is the term people (or maybe it's just him) are using.

Hey and did you know that he's going to end ISIS, it's true! Says so on a post card I received in the mail.

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Rulesjd wrote:
jmilum wrote:
In another example of his hypocritical nature, it turns out that Trump did business with an Iranian state controlled bank.

Quote:
Donald Trump’s real estate organization rented New York office space from 1998 to 2003 to an Iranian bank that U.S. authorities have linked to terrorist groups and Iran’s nuclear program.

Trump inherited Bank Melli, one of Iran’s largest state-controlled banks, as a tenant when he purchased the General Motors Building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, according to public records reviewed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and the Center for Public Integrity. The Trump Organization kept the bank on as a tenant for four more years after the U.S. Treasury Department designated Bank Melli in 1999 as being controlled by the Iranian government.

U.S. officials later alleged that Bank Melli had been used to obtain sensitive materials for Iran’s nuclear program. U.S. authorities also alleged that the bank had been used between 2002 and 2006 to funnel money to a unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that has sponsored terrorist attacks — a period that overlapped with the time the bank rented office space from Trump.

The Trump Organization’s dealings with the Iranian bank shed more light on Trump’s wide-ranging business interests, which sometimes stand at odds with his blunt declarations on the campaign trail. Trump has denounced Iran as a “big enemy,” blasted Hillary Clinton for not taking a harder line against the Iranian regime and charged that donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Foundation amounted to evidence of corruption. His five-year stint as Bank Melli’s landlord provides an example of the Trump Organization itself doing business with a government hostile to the United States.

“It’s a pretty hypocritical position to take,” said Richard Nephew, who served from 2013 to 2015 as principal deputy coordinator of sanctions policy at the U.S. State Department and spent nearly a decade working on Iran sanctions in the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. “It suggests that his principles are pretty flexible when it comes to him getting paid.”

https://www.icij.org/blog/2016/09/trumps-organization-did-bu...


Come on, you know what he'll say. The US government didn't take action to stop the bank from operating on US soil, so why should he, a businessman, turn that bank out on it's ear? He was following the law.

Trump followed the law when he built and ran casinos (surely an undisputed public good). Followed the law when he filed for bankruptcies. Followed the law when he stiffed suppliers on their bills. Followed the law when he appears to have paid zero federal income tax for decades(?). The proposition is, of course, that being a businessman is all about shaving the last cent of profit out of any transaction with zero obligation to your community beyond the absolute letter of the law. Who writes those laws? Politicians and /or lobbyists? Who has contributed to those politicians?

Does Trump have any scruples beyond personal profit within the "letter" of the law?
He is a business man.
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jeremycobert wrote:
could you save us some time and just lump all of your "while Trump" posts into one long post ?
What you need more space for your "while Clinton rather Trump" posts?
 
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He is a business man.


Sure, but kind of a cheap shot. There are plenty of businesspeople who actually have a sense of community. Trump appears to be one of the uniquely amoral type.
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Rulesjd wrote:
slatersteven wrote:

He is a business man.


Sure, but kind of a cheap shot. There are plenty of businesspeople who actually have a sense of community. Trump appears to be one of the uniquely amoral type.
In my life I have known tow (well ish one was known to my dad) multi millionaire celebrity businessmen, both were crooks.

Sure I have know a few (small, as in they owned a shop) business men who gave a shit and acted like decent human beings (I think they have all now gone under, thought that may be due to death). But the realy mega successful ones, no all crooks.
 
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slatersteven wrote:
Rulesjd wrote:
slatersteven wrote:

He is a business man.


Sure, but kind of a cheap shot. There are plenty of businesspeople who actually have a sense of community. Trump appears to be one of the uniquely amoral type.
In my life I have known tow (well ish one was known to my dad) multi millionaire celebrity businessmen, both were crooks.

Sure I have know a few (small, as in they owned a shop) business men who gave a shit and acted like decent human beings (I think they have all now gone under, thought that may be due to death). But the realy mega successful ones, no all crooks.


Not sure how you define crooks or how discerning you may be. At present you come across as credible as Dashi or Jeremy. I'd ask you to support your statement but, given the overly broad characterization it seems clear this is simply your dogma. You actually do Trump a favor with this kind of rhetoric as it tends to undermine the credibility of Trump detractors.
 
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Least he didn't help them get nukes.
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Least he didn't help them get nukes.

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U.S. officials later alleged that Bank Melli had been used to obtain sensitive materials for Iran’s nuclear program.
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tstone wrote:
Least he didn't help them get nukes.
No, while the Womens CHESS Tournament is being held there next year, but; HILLARY! /surprise\
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jmilum wrote:
alleged


Yep.

In this partisan period where at least elements of the government are in the tank for Hilldebeast and the "mainstream media" most certainly is...need better than that for your rebuttal, friend.
 
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tstone wrote:
jmilum wrote:
alleged


Yep.

In this partisan period where at least elements of the government are in the tank for Hilldebeast and the "mainstream media" most certainly is...need better than that for your rebuttal, friend.

Sure, what's your evidence that she helped Iran get nukes?
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jmilum wrote:
tstone wrote:
jmilum wrote:
alleged


Yep.

In this partisan period where at least elements of the government are in the tank for Hilldebeast and the "mainstream media" most certainly is...need better than that for your rebuttal, friend.

Sure, what's your evidence that she helped Iran get nukes?


All kinds of stuff online, but even blowing off the Breitbarts and what not...

Go all the way to the Times...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/us/politics/hillary-clinto...

Oh, she gives some bullshit quotes about "acting decisively" and what not. But at this point, if you actively believe her for ANYTHING she says, you are quite simply a fool.

She backed this deal, which the Iranians got their windfall and have already been breaking, a deal which the president had no authority to make (such things are Congress's job).

So, there's my evidence. I know you will go on whistling past the graveyard, ready to clutch Billary's well hanging chad in November.

But again...we've established you are fool.
 
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tstone wrote:
jmilum wrote:
tstone wrote:
jmilum wrote:
alleged


Yep.

In this partisan period where at least elements of the government are in the tank for Hilldebeast and the "mainstream media" most certainly is...need better than that for your rebuttal, friend.

Sure, what's your evidence that she helped Iran get nukes?


All kinds of stuff online, but even blowing off the Breitbarts and what not...

Go all the way to the Times...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/us/politics/hillary-clinto...

Oh, she gives some bullshit quotes about "acting decisively" and what not. But at this point, if you actively believe her for ANYTHING she says, you are quite simply a fool.

She backed this deal, which the Iranians got their windfall and have already been breaking, a deal which the president had no authority to make (such things are Congress's job).

So, there's my evidence. I know you will go on whistling past the graveyard, ready to clutch Billary's well hanging chad in November.

But again...we've established you are fool.

She backed a deal that reduced the ability of Iran making a nuke, and that's your evidence that she helped them get nukes?

Tell you what: how about we both agree there's no real evidence that either one helped Iran get nukes? Failing that, your "evidence" is no better than mine.
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jmilum wrote:
tstone wrote:
jmilum wrote:
tstone wrote:
jmilum wrote:
alleged


Yep.

In this partisan period where at least elements of the government are in the tank for Hilldebeast and the "mainstream media" most certainly is...need better than that for your rebuttal, friend.

Sure, what's your evidence that she helped Iran get nukes?


All kinds of stuff online, but even blowing off the Breitbarts and what not...

Go all the way to the Times...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/us/politics/hillary-clinto...

Oh, she gives some bullshit quotes about "acting decisively" and what not. But at this point, if you actively believe her for ANYTHING she says, you are quite simply a fool.

She backed this deal, which the Iranians got their windfall and have already been breaking, a deal which the president had no authority to make (such things are Congress's job).

So, there's my evidence. I know you will go on whistling past the graveyard, ready to clutch Billary's well hanging chad in November.

But again...we've established you are fool.

She backed a deal that reduced the ability of Iran making a nuke, and that's your evidence that she helped them get nukes?

Tell you what: how about we both agree there's no real evidence that either one helped Iran get nukes? Failing that, your "evidence" is no better than mine.

I don't know... His argument does contain an abundance of arbitrary insults that serve no purpose but to stroke his fragile ego, so I think that means he has the stronger argument. I'm going to have to give this one to stone.
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Rulesjd wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Rulesjd wrote:
slatersteven wrote:

He is a business man.


Sure, but kind of a cheap shot. There are plenty of businesspeople who actually have a sense of community. Trump appears to be one of the uniquely amoral type.
In my life I have known tow (well ish one was known to my dad) multi millionaire celebrity businessmen, both were crooks.

Sure I have know a few (small, as in they owned a shop) business men who gave a shit and acted like decent human beings (I think they have all now gone under, thought that may be due to death). But the realy mega successful ones, no all crooks.


Not sure how you define crooks or how discerning you may be. At present you come across as credible as Dashi or Jeremy. I'd ask you to support your statement but, given the overly broad characterization it seems clear this is simply your dogma. You actually do Trump a favor with this kind of rhetoric as it tends to undermine the credibility of Trump detractors.
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Case 1 fraud (yes actual fraud), by calling goods were faulty when they were not (thus getting them cheap). There is more to it but that is the gist of it.

Case 2 Fraud (claiming stuff was made in the UK when it was not), there is more to it but that is the gist of it.
 
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slatersteven wrote:
Rulesjd wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Rulesjd wrote:
slatersteven wrote:

He is a business man.


Sure, but kind of a cheap shot. There are plenty of businesspeople who actually have a sense of community. Trump appears to be one of the uniquely amoral type.
In my life I have known tow (well ish one was known to my dad) multi millionaire celebrity businessmen, both were crooks.

Sure I have know a few (small, as in they owned a shop) business men who gave a shit and acted like decent human beings (I think they have all now gone under, thought that may be due to death). But the realy mega successful ones, no all crooks.


Not sure how you define crooks or how discerning you may be. At present you come across as credible as Dashi or Jeremy. I'd ask you to support your statement but, given the overly broad characterization it seems clear this is simply your dogma. You actually do Trump a favor with this kind of rhetoric as it tends to undermine the credibility of Trump detractors.
OK

Case 1 fraud (yes actual fraud), by calling goods were faulty when they were not (thus getting them cheap). There is more to it but that is the gist of it.

Case 2 Fraud (claiming stuff was made in the UK when it was not), there is more to it but that is the gist of it.


So two cases is your sample size for all businessmen? At that rate we could reasonably conclude that all professions were criminal enterprises.
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