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Jennifer Gwinn

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Dominion is one of my favorite games. I am receiving the 2nd edition upgrade pack for the Core set today -- excited about that.

I want to buy like 1 or 2 more expansions, and limit it to that. I want to be able to fit everything in one box (the original / core box).

I presume Intrigue would be the next one to get?

What after that?

If you were to play only 2 expansions, which would they be?

Thanks!

P.S. If I were to get Intrigue should I get the first edition (which I think is still available) and buy the upgrade pack to that (that way I can play the old cards if I want).
 
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Seaside and Prosperity.

Though once you get them you will want all of them.
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Take a look at the threads in the forum. This question or one like it has been asked many many times before. And probably will again...

boardgamegeekess wrote:
Dominion is one of my favorite games. I am receiving the 2nd edition upgrade pack for the Core set today -- excited about that.

I want to buy like 1 or 2 more expansions, and limit it to that. I want to be able to fit everything in one box (the original / core box).

I presume Intrigue would be the next one to get?

What after that?

If you were to play only 2 expansions, which would they be?

Thanks!

P.S. If I were to get Intrigue should I get the first edition (which I think is still available) and buy the upgrade pack to that (that way I can play the old cards if I want).
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If you look at each expansion's ratings, you'll get a good idea for how the BGG community feels about them on the whole.

Empires - 8.7
Adventures - 8.3
Prosperity - 8.3
Guilds & Cornucopia - 8.2
Dark Ages - 8.1
Seaside - 8.1
Hinterlands - 8.0
Alchemy - 7.0

Empires is the newest, which may explain its higher rating. Alchemy is the outlier here. It introduces the whole "you need both coins and a potion in your hand to buy this card" thing. That plus the limited number of cards that actually require the potion make it less appealing to many players.

Personally, I have and enjoy all of the expansions, but my least favorites are Alchemy (for the reasons stated above), Dark Ages (just not a fan of the darker tone of the set), and Cornucopia (feels like you're being pushed too hard to gain lots of different cards in your deck). Otherwise, I love and strongly recommend all the rest.

But the best advice I can give you is check out the cards included in each set and see which ones are most appealing to you.
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colmmccarthy wrote:
Seaside and Prosperity.

Though once you get them you will want all of them.


Ditto! Those are the ones that always come to mind.

(I guess you may skip Alchemy).
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AndreKada wrote:
(I guess you may skip Alchemy).


I'd buy it last, but I wouldn't skip it. There's some good stuff in there.

Empires, Adventures and Dark Ages are the three most game-changing expansions. They are three of my favorites, but I definitely wouldn't pick any of them up as my first or second expansion.

You can't go wrong with Seaside and Prosperity (I think Seaside adds the more interesting mechanics of the two).
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colmmccarthy wrote:
AndreKada wrote:
(I guess you may skip Alchemy).


I'd buy it last, but I wouldn't skip it. There's some good stuff in there.



By that time the Alchemy upgrade pack will be upon us and it will become awesome devil
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boardgamegeekess wrote:
P.S. If I were to get Intrigue should I get the first edition (which I think is still available) and buy the upgrade pack to that (that way I can play the old cards if I want).
No.

The designer and developers say you should play with the new cards and not use the old ones. You won't be able to get those old cards after a while, and 2d will be the way to play.
 
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Whizkid wrote:
The designer and developers say you should play with the new cards and not use the old ones.


Where do they say that? I fully plan to keep the old cards when I get the upgrade packs. The more the merrier, duds though some of them may be.
 
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colmmccarthy wrote:
Whizkid wrote:
The designer and developers say you should play with the new cards and not use the old ones.


Where do they say that? I fully plan to keep the old cards when I get the upgrade packs. The more the merrier, duds though some of them may be.

Donald said, tongue in cheek, that you should stop using all the old cards except that one you can't believe he dropped. He later clarified that "that one" would be different for different people. So there was no serious suggestion to stop using old cards if you want to use them.

There are currently no "developers" working on Dominion, and haven't been for quite some time. Some of the playtesters have weighed in, but I don't think they've made any specific suggestions. I'm certainly not opposed to using the old cards. I was sad to see some of them go, although I understand the reasoning.
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I believe that—on average—games will be more fun and interesting if you stop using the removed cards. They tend to make games worse by virtue of being dead in whichever games they show up in, or by being time-consuming and annoying to resolve (Spy). Plus many of the removed cards either have similar replacements either in the update packs (Great Hall < Mill) or in other expansions (Chancellor < Scavenger [Dark Ages] or Messenger [Adventures]).

If you've played Dominion for a long time and you're attached to these old cards, then by all means keep playing with them. But nostalgia is really the only reason to do so. If you're a new player, then I definitely wouldn't bother with them. Your games will be more enjoyable without them.
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boardgamegeekess wrote:
P.S. If I were to get Intrigue should I get the first edition (which I think is still available) and buy the upgrade pack to that (that way I can play the old cards if I want).

If you think you might want to play with the old cards sometime, by all means get the 1st edition + update pack. It's not that those cards are broken or anything, just a little weaker/less popular. Worst case scenario (assuming you play randomly with all expansions mixed) you'll wind up with a kingdom card in play that's more of a dud than usual. On the other hand, you get to play with Tribute.
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I play with all the sets and totally random draw. Any card drawn for a Kingdom can end up being a useless card for that particular kingdom.

I now wish I had the card sets we played because 4 of the 5 cards designated for removal in Dominion played a key part in those 4 games. Secret Chamber was the only card that I can't recall being useful in a recent Kingdom.

In every game I play there are dead cards. They don't work with the best cards needed to win the Kingdom, so they aren't purchased/gained. If you play random draw and then leave the unused cards for the next Kingdom, eventually you will find every card to be effective. When you have that many cards to draw from, using all sets, you don't see the "bad ones" very often, and they just may be useful.

Having Landmarks and Events available also can change the effectiveness of the other cards in the Kingdom. That may well be the case in the 4 games I mentioned, as we always have 2 Events and 1 Landmark in every game (house rule). So, to answer the original question, you gotta buy 'em all.

I think people complain too much IMHO. But I guess if people didn't complain half of this Forum (these Fori?) would disappear, and we wouldn't get some new cards. I read all the posts and can't understand how you (not you in particular, but the general "you") realistically can find much wrong with the game.
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guidobass wrote:
half of this Forum (these Fori?)

"Fora", I believe.
 
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guidobass wrote:
Secret Chamber was the only card that I can't recall being useful in a recent Kingdom.


I luuurve Secret Chamber, even though most strategy players don't like this card. At the beginning of the game, you use it to buy a 4-gold card, even though the rest of your hand has coppers and estates. In the middle of the game, you wave it around even though it doesn't stop an attack, then set up your hand for the next draw. It's best to have a strong hand each turn, but SC at least can convert two middling hands into a weak hand this turn (which gets attacked) and a strong hand next. Since it affects the top card of your deck, you also get to gloat when someone attacks the top card of your deck -- keep their hands off your Gold and show them an Estate! If attacked, you can even put the SC back on top of your deck for next turn, if you happen to know what cards are left in your deck!

Anyway, for OP:
* Euro: Dominion, Prosperity, Seaside.
* Ameritrash: Intrigue, Hinterlands, Guilds and Cornucopia, Adventure
 
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Sam and Max wrote:
Anyway, for OP:
* Euro: Dominion, Prosperity, Seaside.
* Ameritrash: Intrigue, Hinterlands, Guilds and Cornucopia, Adventure


Man, I don't understand (or agree with) this division at all. I mean all of Dominion is definitely Euro. But even beyond that, what made you choose which sets for which category?
 
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I have eight of the 'original' nine sets (sans Alchemy). I'm still contemplating whether to foray into Adventures and Empires.

Though my favorite expansion is probably Hinterlands, I think if you are looking to only get two expansions, Seaside and Prosperity would be the ones I think would be most essential. Some of the cards in later expansions are quite wordy and may be somewhat confusing for those who haven't progressed through at least some of the earlier sets.

Seaside is probably my second favorite expansion, introducing Duration Cards and 'mat' cards (nice!), gold coins (pretty good) and embargo tokens (meh!) to the game. It really does "expand" the game nicely.

Prosperity has never been one of my favorites, but I'm definitely in the minority on this. It DOES have a lot of good stuff like Victory tokens and treasure cards that play sort of like Action cards. One of the big draws is an added level of Treasure card (Platinum, worth 5 coins) and Victory Card (Colony, worth a whopping 10 VP).

Once you have those two expansions, IF you later decide to add another expansion, the complexity level of the later offerings won't be such a huge leap.
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Sam and Max wrote:
guidobass wrote:
Secret Chamber was the only card that I can't recall being useful in a recent Kingdom.


I luuurve Secret Chamber, even though most strategy players don't like this card.


Yes, as a reaction card, I don't think that most people really 'get' Secret Chamber all that well. While it certainly doesn't offer the blanket protection of 'Moat', I think SC is more playful and actually better against certain attacks. While O don't think it's a 'great' card by any means, I always enjoy seeing it in the kingdom when there's an attack present.

 
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colmmccarthy wrote:
Though once you get them you will want all of them.


When somebody said these nearly same, eerie words about X-Wings Minis to an interested newcomer, that's what got me to say "no way in hell", and not bother with it.
 
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Salt-Man Z wrote:
guidobass wrote:
half of this Forum (these Fori?)

"Fora", I believe.


The Guardian's style guide says:

Fora = more than one Roman marketplace.
Forums = more than one internet message board.

Make of that what you will.
 
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JackRudd wrote:
Salt-Man Z wrote:
guidobass wrote:
half of this Forum (these Fori?)

"Fora", I believe.


The Guardian's style guide says:

Fora = more than one Roman marketplace.
Forums = more than one internet message board.

Make of that what you will.


I find that using "fora" will get you kicked for being snobbish/overly prescriptive, whereas if I say "forums", I can feel the pedants wanting to correct me to the "correct" plural. Obviously, there is nothing worse than being thought of as less intelligent than one is, so my choice is clear...

 
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UrbanSpaceman wrote:
JackRudd wrote:
Salt-Man Z wrote:
guidobass wrote:
half of this Forum (these Fori?)

"Fora", I believe.


The Guardian's style guide says:

Fora = more than one Roman marketplace.
Forums = more than one internet message board.

Make of that what you will.


I find that using "fora" will get you kicked for being snobbish/overly prescriptive, whereas if I say "forums", I can feel the pedants wanting to correct me to the "correct" plural. Obviously, there is nothing worse than being thought of as less intelligent than one is, so my choice is clear...


You're all wrong, the plural is "foctopi".
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conmanau wrote:
You're all wrong, the plural is "foctopi".

Foctopodes, my good man.
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LastFootnote wrote:
Sam and Max wrote:
Anyway, for OP:
* Euro: Dominion, Prosperity, Seaside.
* Ameritrash: Intrigue, Hinterlands, Guilds and Cornucopia, Adventure


Man, I don't understand (or agree with) this division at all. I mean all of Dominion is definitely Euro. But even beyond that, what made you choose which sets for which category?


The ones I stuck in Ameritrash *tend* to have more complicated text than the Euro ones. You'll note that BGG'ers, who are mostly Euro players, prefer Seaside and Prosperity.
 
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