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I was curious. I really super duper badly want this game no question but I'm confused. If Call of Cthulhu failed why are they making another Mythos LCG? If their first game failed why try again? I asked this on their official forums but no one really posts in the forum I put it in so I was hoping BGG would have a better oppinion then "Shrugs"
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People love Eldritch theme. For better or for worse at least it's not another Star Wars or Runebound property.
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BardicSkaven wrote:
I was curious. I really super duper badly want this game no question but I'm confused. If Call of Cthulhu failed why are they making another Mythos LCG? If their first game failed why try again? I asked this on their official forums but no one really posts in the forum I put it in so I was hoping BGG would have a better oppinion then "Shrugs"


Who said Call of Cthulhu failed? I think it had just been going on for a really long time and they decided to wind it down. It had been going since 2004 (2008 when they changed it from CCG to LCG). Call of Cthulhu was also a competitive game. I imagine they just wanted to try something new and saw how co-op games are doing well, so decided to try something in that space.
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Oh but it was successful? I suppose then trying co-op be a good idea. I just figured it wasn't doing well and they threw it away.
 
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Call of Cthulhu had 10 deluxe expansion and supporting packs. I would say that's pretty successful. But as it was mention, the game just ran it's course.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/call-of-cthul...
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As to why FFG stopped development of The Call of Cthulhu, have you read their announcement? https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/9/22/let-it-...

The main points I took away was that it had a small but devoted fan base for whom FFG had created many cycles and deluxe expansions, which will be kept in print through print on demand.

LCGs take a lot of effort and expense to produce. They have a constant release schedule and every set must be designed, developed, tested, edited, and produced. And with LCGs the larger the number of cards released requires more consideration for the next release to insure they work well together and stay balanced. Not an easy job.

As an LCG ages, it becomes costly to support, especially if the fan base is small. And almost all games with expansions sell fewer and fewer expansions as more and more are released.

So it makes sense to retire a system at some point. FFG also ended Warhammer Invasion previously.

As to why Arkham Horror, it is an open IP and a very popular one, and it gives fans of CoC a new game to shift to, if they want.

Cooperative games are popular now, and the market open since most CCGs are competitive. Campaign card games with ongoing developmental affects are also popular and rare.

Arkham Horror the Card Game makes great marketing sense at this time.
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I see thanks I was curious as to why they'd in a sense switch things up but still have Lovecraft card game.
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As said, co-op LCG are hot and the Cthulhu mythos has the advantage of being both an established brand and being free of licensing issues (cough, GW, cough, cough).
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I would aks another question. Why Arkham? What about Mountains of Madness and all other locations outside of Arkham city!?
 
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kmazut wrote:
I would aks another question. Why Arkham? What about Mountains of Madness and all other locations outside of Arkham city!?


The first promo quest is set in New Orleans and the first expansion cycle probably will head to Dunwich eventually. I expect the game will continue to expand its location horizons.
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kmazut wrote:
I would aks another question. Why Arkham? What about Mountains of Madness and all other locations outside of Arkham city!?
I think it's a pretty reasonable guess that since the first campaign seems to be emulating/drawing from The Dunwich Horror, there will be one based around At the Mountains of Madness and others based around as many more of Lovecraft's stories as FFG's creative team can manage.
 
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The Mythos themed games that are able to be played co-op or solo (Arkham Horror, Eldritch Horror, Elder Dice) have been very successful for FFG.

The Mythos themed games that were not able to be played co-op or solo (Mansions of Madness, COC CCG/LCG) have not been as successful.

The LCG model has been very successful for FFG, for games that have caught on with the public (AGOT, Netrunner for sure.) FFG has found ways in the past few months to rerelease their unsuccessful Mythos games in a solo-coop format. Mansions of Madness 2nd edition is now a solo-cooperative game, and has received quite a bit of acclaim, bugs in app aside.

Releasing a rethemed LOTR 2.0, with mechanics to simplify gameplay and eliminate the constant deckbuilding, seems brilliant. As someone forced to pass on the COC LCG due to a lack of players in the area, and as someone who passed on the LOTR LCG due to complexity and constant deckbuilding, I am very excited about this release and will be all in. Can't wait to throw some money at FFG at Arkham Nights this year!

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kmazut wrote:
I would aks another question. Why Arkham? What about Mountains of Madness and all other locations outside of Arkham city!?

FFG uses the title "Arkham Files" to group all their Lovecraftian/Horror games, so it makes sense to use Arkham in the title not necessarily to defined the location but to identify the mythos.
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For what it's worth, I don't really care about Call of Cthulhu but I am very excited about Arkham Horror the Card Game. May be similar markets but there are those that definitely prefer coops/adventure.
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Good to know, my Lovecraftian knowledge is limited and I feared they might take the narrow approach.
 
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BardicSkaven wrote:
I was curious. I really super duper badly want this game no question but I'm confused. If Call of Cthulhu failed why are they making another Mythos LCG? If their first game failed why try again? I asked this on their official forums but no one really posts in the forum I put it in so I was hoping BGG would have a better oppinion then "Shrugs"


As has been mentioned, already, CoC was hardly a failure. It ran for a very long time.

However, this game has nothing to do with CoC, except for the theme.

This is closer to their most successful LCG (Lord of the Rings).

Also, their Mythos-flavored cooperative games are going really well (Arkham Horror, Eldritch Horror, Elder Sign, etc.).

It is a game where the theme works really well.

The choice is not odd at all.

Bye
Thanee
 
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