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It wasnt important enough to go after Trump or, Herman Cain at the time?
Why wait?
Did it suddenly become more important?
This is getting somewhat tiresome at this point.
And it only makes me think that nothing all that bad happened previously since they didnt seem to care at the time, but when they can get a lot of attention now they start talking.
It is too, convenient.

If Trump or anyone raped someone, go after them with the full force of hell for all I care, but waiting years or decades, I can only think they are suddenly talking for some sort of personal gain, or someone has convinced them to say something for purely political reasons.
 
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TheDashi wrote:
It wasnt important enough to go after Trump or, Herman Cain at the time?
Why wait?
Did it suddenly become more important?
This is getting somewhat tiresome at this point.
And it only makes me think that nothing all that bad happened previously since they didnt seem to care at the time, but when they can get a lot of attention now they start talking.
It is too, convenient.

If Trump or anyone raped someone, go after them with the full force of hell for all I care, but waiting years or decades, I can only think they are suddenly talking for some sort of personal gain, or someone has convinced them to say something for purely political reasons.


Types the man in the comfort of his basement.

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TheDashi wrote:
It wasnt important enough to go after Trump or, Herman Cain at the time?
Why wait?
Did it suddenly become more important?
This is getting somewhat tiresome at this point.
And it only makes me think that nothing all that bad happened previously since they didnt seem to care at the time, but when they can get a lot of attention now they start talking.
It is too, convenient.

If Trump or anyone raped someone, go after them with the full force of hell for all I care, but waiting years or decades, I can only think they are suddenly talking for some sort of personal gain, or someone has convinced them to say something for purely political reasons.

This is exactly the usually idiocy we get from you. Women in this position have invariably ended up being silent. Usually they are afraid (with good reason) to speak out. Trump is a rich TV star and is well practiced at this sort of thing. We had exactly the same pattern with abuse cases here. People were not believed,but when the dam burst it became easier to dredge up unpleasant episodes from the past. Of course they cared at the time.,as their narratives clearly tell, but they were afraid that the consequences of complaint were far worse that compliance.
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TheDashi wrote:
It wasnt important enough to go after Trump or, Herman Cain at the time?
Why wait?
Did it suddenly become more important?
This is getting somewhat tiresome at this point.
And it only makes me think that nothing all that bad happened previously since they didnt seem to care at the time, but when they can get a lot of attention now they start talking.
It is too, convenient.

If Trump or anyone raped someone, go after them with the full force of hell for all I care, but waiting years or decades, I can only think they are suddenly talking for some sort of personal gain, or someone has convinced them to say something for purely political reasons.


This has been answered 8 million times. There is stigma associated with being a rape victim. There is disbelief. There is pain with retelling the story over and over. There are so many reasons women stay silent and you have no god damn excuse for not knowing them. Just. Listen. To. Women.
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Trump is calling the women who have spoken out (so far) crazy, ugly, liars, and asswipes like Lou Dobbs are tweeting out their private information. No doubt some of these women are receiving threats already.

None of this is surprising. The huge amounts of abuse many women receive for disclosing sexual assault against them is nothing new. It's even GREATER when the accused is a wealthy man (like Trump or Bill Cosby).

Many of the women who have come forward (so far) told people at the times or years ago about their assaults at the hands (and tongue) of Trump.

Why public now? Because Trump just publicly said he had never done this, and these women had had enough.
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TheDashi wrote:
It wasnt important enough to go after Trump or, Herman Cain at the time?
Why wait?
Did it suddenly become more important?
This is getting somewhat tiresome at this point.
And it only makes me think that nothing all that bad happened previously since they didnt seem to care at the time, but when they can get a lot of attention now they start talking.
It is too, convenient.

If Trump or anyone raped someone, go after them with the full force of hell for all I care, but waiting years or decades, I can only think they are suddenly talking for some sort of personal gain, or someone has convinced them to say something for purely political reasons.


Bleh, you're just wrong.

Many of his accusers made their accusations public years ago.

It doesn't stick because we're in a culture where it's irrelevant if you raped someone if you're socially powerful.

You could almost call it a rape culture.
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I think it's fine to have some suspicions about conveniently timed accusations against a prominent public figure. But I find that such suspicions evaporate in the face of that public figure's having bragged about committing those very actions and being able to get away with it with impunity.

As for why would such women wait? Well, we've seen why pretty demonstrably with Lou Dobb's doxxing of one of these women. Many women would rather suffer in silence than be subject to the public humiliation and personal attacks they will inevitably undergo if they come forward.

Why come forward at all? I suspect these women found it rather galling to hear Trump brag so blithely about being able to do what he did and get away with it.
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Isn't it funny how all these accusers start coming out of the closet once they realize they aren't alone and it happened to others?

Once they realize people might actually believe them?

(Of course, they are still taking risks: see Lou Dobbs deliberately doxing one of the accusers and thus basically ending her ability to live any kind of normal life ever again)
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Its been a story since the campaign began. Just everyone ignored it during Primary season - they ran stories on both sexual assaults, and lewd comments stretching back decades.

Its easy to find:

February (reporting on a sexual assault lawsuit from the 90s): http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/exclusive-inside-the-donald-...
March: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-burdick/an-open-letter-to-...
May: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-w...
etc, etc
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From my favorite media critic.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/lockstep-partnership-cli...

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This was the second debate in a row that set up a media attack on Trump. In the first debate, the work was done by Hillary Clinton herself. Folks noted at the time she had rushed through a response on one question and added in a mention of a Miss Universe who had said Trump called her fat. The next morning, Cosmopolitan and The Guardian published photo features of Alicia Machado that had been waiting around. The New York Times had a double-bylined article published within hours. And the rest of the media — and Trump himself, of course — kept the story going all week.

Now we learn of reports that NBC executives planned to release their “Access Hollywood” tape for maximum impact on the election. They wanted to wait for the day after the debate, but others leaked it to the Washington Post prior to the debate.

Cooper works hard to get the denial from Trump, kudos to him. And three days later we now have everyone leaking the story at once.

Again, couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. All’s fair in love and war. And so on and so forth. But there is something curious about this high level of coordination between the media and the Clinton campaign. It’s worth asking whether it’s healthy. Heck, it’s worth noting that “coordination” is the nicer construction on what just transpired.


I wonder which compromised federal agency should look into this?

Ha ha ha!

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To my liberal friends: I know you think this is paranoid & conspiratorial but let me try to paint for you how it feels to be on the right. For a year, we’ve been saying ‘the press has massive dirt on Trump but they won’t release it until after the nomination.’ Every anti-Trump person said this over and over ‘they have so much dirt on him, they’re not telling you what they have’ and we got mocked. ‘Hey if we had a dirty Trump story, we’d publish it before the [nomination].’ ‘We’re doing our job, your voters are just dumb.’

The more realistic of us on the right suspected the press wasn’t ‘holding’ a story so much as not really looking too hard into Trump. So Trump got to be on every cable channel non-stop, oppo was very thin, investigative pieces were weak sauce for months & months. We on the right accused the press of not doing their job & we just got laughed at, people saying we were ‘blaming’ the press for Trump. Which is kind of true, we did blame the press (I tried hard to say that this was the fault of MANY actors). But it’s been months of this.

After a year of saying ‘they have dirt on him.’ After there is no chance he’ll step down. All this comes out. This *could* be a coincidence. It’s totally possible that the press discovered a decade old story JUST IN TIME for the election. In which case, I suppose we are lucky they didn’t discover it 4 weeks too late. Whew. We dodged a bullet on that one, didn’t we?


It’s possible that it’s just an uncanny coincidence. But, as PoliticalMath continues, “this fits EVERY theory about a dishonest, vicious, conniving press. Down to the last prediction & detail. Make your excuses about how the press MIGHT not be culpable but know that this was predicted in detail by media skeptics on the right. And when you predict something to this level of granularity & it comes true, you can’t just call the people who predicted it ‘crazy.'”

To put a fine point upon it, unless you claim to believe that every single person involved in these allegations just happened to be spurred at the same exact moment to go public and only because Cooper just happened to force magic words out of Trump’s mouth, we have three explanations for the current timing of the opposition research dump. None of them looks particularly good for the media.

1) The media had the information, but chose not to write about it until now. 2) The media didn’t bother looking for any of the information until after Trump had clinched the GOP nomination. Or 3) the media didn’t look for the information during the primary and didn’t look for the information during the general, and only used what the Clinton camp gave them over the last few weeks.

Even a combination of those answers doesn’t look too good for them.


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Again, if you thought anything other than this would happen to Trump, you are an idiot. I’m sorry, but you are. Still, the media cooperation with the Clintons against the Trump campaign is disconcerting. Not for Trump’s sake. He and his enablers deserve this. But for the country and her civil discourse and self-government.


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Trump isn’t worse than anyone else in Hollywood, a land where sexual entitlement is embraced, protected, and covered up until such time as it’s necessary to throw someone under the bus. NBC had this video for years. Billy Bush was apparently bragging about it at the Olympics. It didn’t draw attention prior to Trump’s run because it was so normal. NBC paid Trump millions and millions of dollars all while knowing he was this cad. But now it’s all crashing down at just the precisely right moment.

So this week, when we could be having frenzied outrages about the racism of Clinton staffers, the conspiratorial anti-Catholicism of Clinton staffers, the crony capitalism of the frontrunner, and her ties to foreign governments, we are instead continuing to learn that the man who has bragged for decades about being a lecherous womanizer is that. It’s good for accomplishing the goal of electing Hillary Clinton and maintaining the status quo. But it might not be good for a media already distrusted by millions, or for institutions on the brink of crumbling.

“By the time Hillary and the media are done with Trump, Carthage’s fate after the third Punic War will seem merciful in comparison,” wrote Varad Mehta. Those who don’t think Trump a fit candidate for office will not shed tears over this. But who serves those with concerns about Hillary Clinton’s fitness for office?


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a bunch of stupid conspiracy bullshit


Anderson Cooper pressed Trump on the issue because he knew Trump would lie about it, because that's what Trump does

The accusers are all coming forward because Trump lied about it on national television

this isn't difficult math here
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Drew1365 wrote:
From my favorite media critic.


One quick thing:

If all this stuff is so easy to find and the media was hiding it... why didn't the people writing those articles just do oppo research themselves and publicize it during the nomination process?

Can you point to anyone who actually said that the media had dirt on Trump and was hiding it a year ago to something that was actually timestamped a year ago? (I am not saying you can't, I just want to see it.)
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According to Trump apologist/supporter Drew,

The media made Trump brag about sexual assault in 2005.

The media made Trump shame a woman for her weight in 1998.

The media made Trump shame that same woman on Twitter at 3 in the morning.

The media made Trump lie in a debate about whether he did the things he bragged about.

The media made women come forward with stories about Trump doing exactly what he said he had done.

You need to face facts: The media is not losing this election for Trump, Trump is.
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There is a conspiracy of a sort against DJT; a conspiracy of common sense and decency.
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Sorry Drew there is NO excuse for the millions of Republicans who voted to nominate Trump, and the millions more who decided to support him after (like yourself).

Are you telling me that there was no evidence he was a horrible person before all of these October surprises?

Time to take responsibility for your horrible decision.
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chopkins828 wrote:
According to Trump apologist/supporter Drew,

The media made Trump brag about sexual assault in 2005.

The media made Trump shame a woman for her weight in 1998.

The media made Trump shame that same woman on Twitter at 3 in the morning.

The media made Trump lie in a debate about whether he did the things he bragged about.

The media made women come forward with stories about Trump doing exactly what he said he had done.

You need to face facts: The media is not losing this election for Trump, Trump is.


Nonono - the grand Drewbert conspiracy is that Trump himself is a media plant. The media sat on all the stories to ensure Trump would get the nomination, then dumped them all at the moment to do the most damage, to cause the GOP to implode and make HRC win.

See, it's a HUGE conspiracy, going to the top of all the various media Enterprises, corporate donors, the White House and Congress - Republican and Democratic party chairs, even Putin!

Only Drew can see through the lies, though. Well, and the few others wearing his patented Aluminum Foil Hats of Truth. (See the trick is that tinfoil hats can be penetrated by the mind-control rays - but he's got the secret out, now! ALUMINUM foil protects the brain from the global-conspiracy-ray-satellites.)
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TheDashi wrote:
It wasnt important enough to go after Trump or, Herman Cain at the time?
Why wait?
Did it suddenly become more important?
This is getting somewhat tiresome at this point.
And it only makes me think that nothing all that bad happened previously since they didnt seem to care at the time, but when they can get a lot of attention now they start talking.
It is too, convenient.

If Trump or anyone raped someone, go after them with the full force of hell for all I care, but waiting years or decades, I can only think they are suddenly talking for some sort of personal gain, or someone has convinced them to say something for purely political reasons.


If you complain about someone wealthy and powerful committing a hard to prove crime against you, they will crush you without lifting a finger.

And this ignores the fact that sexual assault is almost unprovable against anyone lacking eye witnesses and video evidence. So it's going to take a lot of time, you are going to relive the crime over and over (when you just want to forget it), and then you are going to suffer a humiliating loss.

The cosby case is an excellent example of this in action prior to trump.

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It's too bad there are all those laws preventing right-leaning folks from working in journalism, and no right-leaning entrepreneurs who could form a media organization.

If only...
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I get why people might not come forward so I don't want to dog pile on that.

I just notice how Trump gets accused - he's guilty by the left and the worst human being on the planet.
Bill Clinton is accused - oh move along nothing to see here. It's all fake.
 
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Uh . . . so you asshats didn't actually read the piece I linked, and as a result you think it's all Trump apologia.

This is why you're stupid.
 
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Fox consistently gets the highest viewership numbers.
http://deadline.com/2016/06/fox-news-tops-basic-cable-rating...

Oh but, but but... they're left wing shills like the rest. BECAUSE their 'legit' sources are under 'legit-ing'.

Plus talk radio and endless Brietardian and other 'legit' web "news".

The left wing media domination is a convenient excuse and holds no more sway than right-wing media. The big difference in POTUS elections is the R's complete obsession with nominating losers or crazy people. Some turds don't float.

The left does dominate news print! laugh... so there's that!


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I get why people might not come forward so I don't want to dog pile on that.

I just notice how Trump gets accused - he's guilty by the left and the worst human being on the planet.
Bill Clinton is accused - oh move along nothing to see here. It's all fake.


But that's something that only republicans are saying man.

Yes, bill had a lot of affairs.
Yes, bill may done bad things. But we don't have him on tape bragging about it. And there's no other evidence and over and over and over when republicans raised issues they went no where.

And Hillary Clinton is running for president, not bill.
And she's competent and qualified.

Republicans had 16 candidates to choose from. Some were repugnant. But even the creepiest were an order of magnitude less creepy than Trump.

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TheOneTrueZeke wrote:
There is a conspiracy of a sort against DJT; a conspiracy of common sense and decency.


About 65 million voters are conspiring to keep him from being elected.
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They can blame the media all they want.. it's fucking hilarious!
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TheDashi wrote:
It wasnt important enough to go after Trump or, Herman Cain at the time?
Why wait?
Did it suddenly become more important?


Gee, I wonder why things might have suddenly become more important.
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