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Subject: Backstab rss

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If you use the card backstab do you use your agility vs the enemy agility or enemy fight?


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Jonathon Neff
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Re: Backstabe
It's still a fight action, so it follows all the rules for a fight action, including making the test against the enemies strength. The only rule it alters is that you're using your agility stat instead of your strength stat.
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the card says you use agility instead of fight. Not that you use your agility instead of your fight. So I think it makes it a agility vs agility combat.

To fight an enemy at his or her location, an investigator resolves
an attack against that enemy by making a combat test against
the enemy’s fight value
 
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Actually, it says use Agility instead of Combat.

Investigators have Agility and Combat Skills.

Enemies have Evade and Fight Values.

The back cover of the Learn to Play book shows the icons and defines them as skills. So on this card it means Agility skill, not Evade value so it pertains only to the investigator.

I understand how this card is confusing. They should have not used the same icons for what they call two different things. Or maybe their intent is just to show on enemy cards that you use Combat skill vs Fight value and Agility skill vs Evade value?

They should have used text (I love words) on the card instead of just icons. All too often a single word would make it so much clearer but the "keep it minimal" mentality of card writing keeps things abbreviated and all too often confusing.

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I agree fully. An icon or keyword can be a useful way to cut out a lot of wording and save card space at times. But when you're only omitting one word (and not even a super-long word) then I would much prefer the clarity offered by just printing the word.

Unfortunately it seems like it's a trend in the gaming industry.
 
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SirRoke wrote:
Actually, it says use Agility instead of Combat.


Actually, it says use the symbol for Agility which is the same symbol on the enemy card. Backstab does not indicate you should use the symbol from just the investigators perspective.
 
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Plus thematically it makes sense to use the monsters evade value as it is a sneaky attack, not one of brute strength.
 
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But the Shriveling spell uses exactly the same wording, except with a [Will] symbol instead. Monsters don't have Will values (nor anything that could be construed as such), so how is that supposed to work?

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rsdockery wrote:
But the Shriveling spell uses exactly the same wording, except with a [Will] symbol instead. Monsters don't have Will values (nor anything that could be construed as such), so how is that supposed to work?



Good point.
 
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Learn to Play guide, page 16:


So basically the [shoe] icon in card text always refers to the investigator's Agility value. On enemy cards it is shown near the enemy's Evade Value (green triangle) as a reminder that usually this value is used to test the investigator's Agility skill during an Evade attempt. Emphasis on the words "reminder" and "usually".
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