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Grand Admiral Thrawn
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I'd set up a poll but I'd like to hear opinions instead. Personally, I think my conscience can afford to be clean since NJ ain't gonna swing and it's not a key state in either campaign's matchup anyway. Incidentally I don't think Clinton is particularly selfish or corrupt, I just don't like her neoliberal policies and don't believe her new leftie positions she's adopted since the primary ended.
 
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No. I'm a proponent of voting strategically and I think it's imperative that Trump not be President. I do have issues with Clinton, but nowhere near enough to override that.

Even if none of the above were true, I'm not particularly fond of any of the 3rd party candidates.
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einsteinidahosu wrote:
I'd set up a poll but I'd like to hear opinions instead. Personally, I think my conscience can afford to be clean since NJ ain't gonna swing and it's not a key state in either campaign's matchup anyway. Incidentally I don't think Clinton is particularly selfish or corrupt, I just don't like her neoliberal policies and don't believe her new leftie positions she's adopted since the primary ended.


Well it's pretty meaningless as a statement, but if it makes people feel better, there's no harm to it.

Just make sure you vote downticket :p
 
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Robert Wesley
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Okay, ONE for "perpetuate corruption" and is this 'hindered' any; just a "little"; a *smidgen*?
 
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UA Darth
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Is symbolic nothingness worth the risk of a Trump presidency?
 
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Well, both Johnson and Stein aren't great candidates themselves, so, what's the moral stance again?
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Robert Wesley
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shake Gary Johnson "bowed out" in favor for Clinton, so, it is the TRUMP-folk now decides; where's theirs "wasted" as "greater effect"? With their GOP it is already lost 'stolen' "fair & square", now, what to do?
 
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Frankly, stein isn't worth the time it takes to research her and unfortunately, johnson appears to be clueless and think lack of preparation is a virtue.

In my state, any vote for johnson is a vote for Trump.

I've already voted so I can't change it anyway but as of today, I'd still vote Clinton.

And as of tonight, I'd still vote FOR clinton. (If she starts to suck, I'd still vote AGAiNST trump too).

In the real world, you will never get the perfect candidate because your needs are being balanced against the other 350 million citizens.

If you can only vote for someone who represents you, then there will literally never be a candidate who can win.

I'm going to be fair and agree you are willing to vote for someone who doesn't meet your criteria but that clinton has policies opposed to your top 3 issues and trump doesn't.
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wow TOO S.O.T.S.! What do you think her SC nominee shall 'embody' MOST/BEST?
 
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maxo-texas wrote:
Frankly, stein isn't worth the time it takes to research her and unfortunately, johnson appears to be clueless and think lack of preparation is a virtue.

In my state, any vote for johnson is a vote for Trump.

I've already voted so I can't change it anyway but as of today, I'd still vote Clinton.

And as of tonight, I'd still vote FOR clinton. (If she starts to suck, I'd still vote AGAiNST trump too).

In the real world, you will never get the perfect candidate because your needs are being balanced against the other 350 million citizens.

If you can only vote for someone who represents you, then there will literally never be a candidate who can win.

I'm going to be fair and agree you are willing to vote for someone who doesn't meet your criteria but that clinton has policies opposed to your top 3 issues and trump doesn't.


Obama 2008 was pretty close to my dream candidate, though.
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Steve Fitt
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[Pres.] Obama 2008 was pretty close to my dream candidate, though.

Mine too, but he turned out to be a sheep in wolf's clothing.

I guess I saw him as being more Progressive than he was. Although it is possible that he hid his true intentions.

I still believe that the Dems would have done better in 2010 if Pres. Obama had fought and come up short on several progressive ideas. The fact that he didn't even try [IMHO] was a major cause of the Dems staying home in 2010. It didn't look like Obama needed/wanted more Dems in the Senate or House. All this because he didn't even try.

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Steve1501 wrote:
rinelk wrote:
[Pres.] Obama 2008 was pretty close to my dream candidate, though.

Mine too, but he turned out to be a sheep in wolf's clothing.

I guess I saw him as being more Progressive than he was. Although it is possible that he hid his true intentions.


I always saw Obama as a pragmatic liberal. And anyway, all presidents have to work with Congress so unless you have a like-minded supermajority on your side (probably last seen around 1965) you can't get and do everything you want.

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einsteinidahosu wrote:
I'd set up a poll but I'd like to hear opinions instead. Personally, I think my conscience can afford to be clean since NJ ain't gonna swing and it's not a key state in either campaign's matchup anyway. Incidentally I don't think Clinton is particularly selfish or corrupt, I just don't like her neoliberal policies and don't believe her new leftie positions she's adopted since the primary ended.


No, I believe it is important to deliver as crushing a defeat as possible to Trump for two good reasons

1. To counteract the "rigged election" message that The Donald is putting forward should he lose. The larger the win for Clinton, the less that message will take hold

2. To deliver a message to the GOP about the massive mistake they made actively backing a mentally unbalanced lying bigot as their Presidential candidate. Running up the score, as it were, will make sure they don't start thinking that all they have to do is some minor tweaks to their message/tactics. Time for them to stop embracing their exclusionary campaign strategies. Think of it as tough love.

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