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So if a gay man supports Trump, he can be deemed not to be gay because a gay man cant possibly support Trump, for some reason?
Amazing.

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Peter Thiel may be attracted to men, but a prominent LGBT magazine says he’s “not a gay man” because he supports Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

In a rambling article for The Advocate, Connecticut College history professor Jim Downs posits that there is more to being gay “than just having sex with someone of the same gender.”

Mr. Downs argues the Silicon Valley billionaire reaffirmed his personal “sexual choices” by supporting Mr. Trump, but separated himself from the broader “gay identity” rooted in class struggle against oppression.


“By the logic of gay liberation, Thiel is an example of a man who has sex with other men, but not a gay man,” Mr. Downs wrote. “Because he does not embrace the struggle of people to embrace their distinctive identity.”

Mr. Downs also accuses Mr. Thiel of supporting a platform that is “actually dangerous to LGBT people,” pointing to Republican-backed laws allowing religious bakers to refuse to make wedding cakes for same-sex couples.

And he takes issue with Mr. Thiel’s Republican National Convention speech, in which the tech entrepreneur said political disputes over transgender bathroom access are a “distraction” from the larger issues facing the nation.


Mr. Downs says he is not trying to argue “that LGBT culture is homogenous [sic] or that all LGBT people have the same ideological viewpoints or values,” yet insists that gay people must have a shared understanding of “gay culture” in order to be truly “gay.”



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/19/peter-thiel-...
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Ah, I'm glad we have all decided that some random magazine nobody has ever heard of is the legal court of arbitration for homosexuality. Where can we send our petitions for our sexuality to be judged?
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jageroxorz wrote:
Ah, I'm glad we have all decided that some random magazine nobody has ever heard of is the legal court of arbitration for homosexuality. Where can we send our petitions for our sexuality to be judged?


Are you gay?
Could that be why you haven't heard of it?
 
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TheDashi wrote:
jageroxorz wrote:
Ah, I'm glad we have all decided that some random magazine nobody has ever heard of is the legal court of arbitration for homosexuality. Where can we send our petitions for our sexuality to be judged?


Are you gay?
Could that be why you haven't heard of it?


Given your general positions, dashi, a strong familiarity with gay magazines might be a bit hypocritical.
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windsagio wrote:
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jageroxorz wrote:
Ah, I'm glad we have all decided that some random magazine nobody has ever heard of is the legal court of arbitration for homosexuality. Where can we send our petitions for our sexuality to be judged?


Are you gay?
Could that be why you haven't heard of it?


Given your general positions, dashi, a strong familiarity with gay magazines might be a bit hypocritical.


Did I say I had heard of it?
I had never heard of it.
That doesn't mean it is not prominent.
 
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Yes, this is stupid, as is the man touting this.

Apparently all those years of gay rights activists who fought for the freedom to sexual expression, the promotion of openness to different forms of self-identification with regard to gender and sex... and suddenly an authority has to come in and deem what kinds of gay people deserve to be gay.

Sadly, Trump is still the most pro-gay Republican candidate of all time. He's pro-traditional marriage, but to my knowledge has said nothing about reversing Obergefell or restricting LGBT rights. He even expressed his support of allowing trans people to use restrooms of their choice. You can criticize him for a million things, but he's at least got that.

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TheDashi wrote:
windsagio wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
jageroxorz wrote:
Ah, I'm glad we have all decided that some random magazine nobody has ever heard of is the legal court of arbitration for homosexuality. Where can we send our petitions for our sexuality to be judged?


Are you gay?
Could that be why you haven't heard of it?


Given your general positions, dashi, a strong familiarity with gay magazines might be a bit hypocritical.


Did I say I had heard of it?
I had never heard of it.
That doesn't mean it is not prominent.


It's a magazine. In 2016.

I can guarantee it's not prominent.
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I was going to say "I'm not gay but I thought everyone knew that The Advocate is probably the most prominent gay magazine, . . ."

Then . . .

jageroxorz wrote:
It's a magazine. In 2016.

I can guarantee it's not prominent.


. . . point taken.

One of my nieces is selling magazine subscriptions for a school fund-raiser, and all I could think was "People still subscribe to magazines"?
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Drew1365 wrote:
I was going to say "I'm not gay but I thought everyone knew that The Advocate is probably the most prominent gay magazine, . . ."

Then . . .

jageroxorz wrote:
It's a magazine. In 2016.

I can guarantee it's not prominent.


. . . point taken.

One of my nieces is selling magazine subscriptions for a school fund-raiser, and all I could think was "People still subscribe to magazines"?


They're pushing The Advocate? Progressive.
 
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What, you are all going to get hung up on "magazine" and "prominent" ?
Shocking.
 
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Same thing as a black man not being truly black because he _______.

It's the no true Scotsman fallacy all over again.
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Meh. Not a good article, but if you can have RINOs, you probably can have GINOs. Just more of the same old crap.
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Meh. Not a good article, but if you can have RINOs, you probably can have GINOs. Just more of the same old crap.


Gay in name only?
What is it? A Choice?
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What, you are all going to get hung up on "magazine" and "prominent" ?
Shocking.


I'm not hung up on it. I thought it was interesting that people who consider themselves knowledgeable had never heard of The Advocate.

Aside from that, I agree with the notion that its ridiculous to say a gay man isn't gay because he supports Donald Trump.

That's like those people who insist that Clarence Thomas isn't really black.
 
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TheDashi wrote:
So if a gay man supports Trump, he can be deemed not to be gay because a gay man cant possibly support Trump, for some reason?
Amazing.

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Peter Thiel may be attracted to men, but a prominent LGBT magazine says he’s “not a gay man” because he supports Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

In a rambling article for The Advocate, Connecticut College history professor Jim Downs posits that there is more to being gay “than just having sex with someone of the same gender.”

Mr. Downs argues the Silicon Valley billionaire reaffirmed his personal “sexual choices” by supporting Mr. Trump, but separated himself from the broader “gay identity” rooted in class struggle against oppression.


“By the logic of gay liberation, Thiel is an example of a man who has sex with other men, but not a gay man,” Mr. Downs wrote. “Because he does not embrace the struggle of people to embrace their distinctive identity.”

Mr. Downs also accuses Mr. Thiel of supporting a platform that is “actually dangerous to LGBT people,” pointing to Republican-backed laws allowing religious bakers to refuse to make wedding cakes for same-sex couples.

And he takes issue with Mr. Thiel’s Republican National Convention speech, in which the tech entrepreneur said political disputes over transgender bathroom access are a “distraction” from the larger issues facing the nation.


Mr. Downs says he is not trying to argue “that LGBT culture is homogenous [sic] or that all LGBT people have the same ideological viewpoints or values,” yet insists that gay people must have a shared understanding of “gay culture” in order to be truly “gay.”



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/19/peter-thiel-...


This is quintessential identity politics to the core. And it's a phenomenon found mostly on the Left. Are we surprised?
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TheDashi wrote:
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Meh. Not a good article, but if you can have RINOs, you probably can have GINOs. Just more of the same old crap.


Gay in name only?
What is it? A Choice?


Nope. Both monikers are stupid, not both ok. I thought me calling it crap would give it away.
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Wait, gay people can be stupid assholes too? I am amazed.

This really isn't a new concept. I've heard plenty of accounts of bisexual folks getting shit from gay folks because they wouldn't just pick a gender to want to fuck.

Shockingly, who you like to fuck has surprisingly little bearing on whether you're a judgmental asshole or not.

That said, this also gets into that problem of what certain labels mean. As pointed out with the RINO example, plenty of people disassociate themselves with groups and vice versa even if they do the same things and hold many of the same beliefs.

There IS a "gay" culture that is separate from just wanting to have sex with the folks of the same gender, just as there is a "gamer" culture that doesn't entail just being someone who plays a few games.
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If he's a Gay republican, he probably doesn't read The Advocate anyway, so what does he care?

I'm a Democrat voting gun owner and I don't read Soldier of Fortune, so what would I care what they would think of me?
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jageroxorz wrote:


It's a magazine. In 2016.
I can guarantee it's not prominent.


Most "magazines" in this day in age don't really mean "glossies" as much as online anymore.
 
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This is quintessential identity politics to the core. And it's a phenomenon found mostly on the Left. Are we surprised?

That was a rhetorical question, but . . . no, not at all surprised. cool
 
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chrisnd wrote:

This is quintessential identity politics to the core. And it's a phenomenon found mostly on the Left. Are we surprised?


Right, because I've never heard conservatives label someone "not a true Republican" or "not a true Christian" or "not a true American" because they didn't hold specific political beliefs. Gimme a fucking break.
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chrisnd wrote:

This is quintessential identity politics to the core. And it's a phenomenon found mostly on the Left. Are we surprised?


Right, because I've never heard conservatives label someone "not a true Republican" or "not a true Christian" or "not a true American" because they didn't hold specific political beliefs. Gimme a fucking break.


The whole RINO phenomenon.
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cbazler wrote:
chrisnd wrote:

This is quintessential identity politics to the core. And it's a phenomenon found mostly on the Left. Are we surprised?


Right, because I've never heard conservatives label someone "not a true Republican" or "not a true Christian" or "not a true American" because they didn't hold specific political beliefs. Gimme a fucking break.


But when the right does it, it's true!
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cbazler wrote:
chrisnd wrote:

This is quintessential identity politics to the core. And it's a phenomenon found mostly on the Left. Are we surprised?


Right, because I've never heard conservatives label someone "not a true Republican" or "not a true Christian" or "not a true American" because they didn't hold specific political beliefs. Gimme a fucking break.


I'll be your visual aid.
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GameCrossing wrote:
cbazler wrote:
chrisnd wrote:

This is quintessential identity politics to the core. And it's a phenomenon found mostly on the Left. Are we surprised?


Right, because I've never heard conservatives label someone "not a true Republican" or "not a true Christian" or "not a true American" because they didn't hold specific political beliefs. Gimme a fucking break.


I'll be your visual aid.


You're not a true Christian, Republican, OR American. Wow, triple threat.

Actually I've never heard anyone go so far as not a true American. But it could have happened. Possibly everyone in Utah is not a true American to someone.
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