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Glitchy Predator
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A question to all of you long time looney pyramid gamers. This is my first time using the pyramids, I backed the kickstarter because of my interest in Zendo, but I have never actually played any of the pyramid games, though many of them do look pretty cool.

I'm planning on introducing this soon, but having not played any of the games before where should I start? First a little background for the type of game I would be most interested in:

1. Competitive (not cooperative)
2. Minimal luck or randomness (random variable setup is ok)
3. Plays well with exactly 4 players

I bought a couple of stashes of pyramids outside of the kickstarter and stones as well so I have enough pieces for Zendo which I am planning on trying (again this is the reason I originally learned about pyramids). Beyond Zendo what game would veterans suggest that fit my criteria?

 
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Homeworlds can be played with 4 players. Very competitive. No luck at all
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Dnasearchr wrote:
Homeworlds can be played with 4 players. Very competitive. No luck at all

My thought as well!

(The only caveat is that many people find its rules concepts confusing at first. The rules are clearly and precisely written, but the game simply has unusual concepts.)

FWIW some good quick simpler games of no luck:
Blam!
Stack Control
Pikemen
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Don't know the rules homeworlds have in the arcade, but do not use the good vs evil rules, instead use the attack left, defend right ones.
I think that is referred to as "sinister homeworlds".
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Dnasearchr wrote:
Homeworlds can be played with 4 players. Very competitive. No luck at all

I'm not sure this set comes with enough pyramids for that, though, unless you double up the colors: yellow and orange are yellow, blue and light blue are blue, green and... clear? are green, red and black are red, that sort of thing. Or get two sets so that you can play the old "standard" games for 4, like RAMBots, Zagami, Pikemen, Icehouse... none of those have any random elements.



Sincerely,
Still cranky that they changed from stashes of 15 pyramids per color.
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kuhrusty wrote:
Dnasearchr wrote:
Homeworlds can be played with 4 players. Very competitive. No luck at all

I'm not sure this set comes with enough pyramids for that, though, unless you double up the colors: yellow and orange are yellow, blue and light blue are blue, green and... clear? are green, red and black are red, that sort of thing. Or get two sets so that you can play the old "standard" games for 4, like RAMBots, Zagami, Pikemen, Icehouse... none of those have any random elements.

The OP specifically said he had extra pyramids, so all of those games should be doable.

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IceTowers has no luck.

Martian Chess can be played with 4 using the chessboard bandana, which we did this weekend. I haven't played it a lot, though, so I don't know where its sweet spot is.

Personally, my choice of game after Zendo is to play Zendo again.

The other games that came to mind have already been mentioned.
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jeffwolfe wrote:
kuhrusty wrote:
the old "standard" games for 4, like RAMBots, Zagami, Pikemen, Icehouse... none of those have any random elements.

The OP specifically said he had extra pyramids, so all of those games should be doable.

Derp, I missed that. Then I would start with Homeworlds, RAMBots, or Icehouse; the first two are easier to teach.
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Powerhouse is excellent, but has a "luck of draw" element.
Mandala is a no luck, perfect information, variable setup.
Martian Chess and Pikemen are both excellent, Pikemen being slightly less of a brain burn.

Zark City, also has a luck of the draw element, but is really a hand management game. (As is Powerhouse, now that I think of it.)

Ice Palace is also very interesting.
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I second the motion for Zark City.
 
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Homeworlds - "Sinister" variant. Eliminate the person on your left to win.
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kuhrusty wrote:
RAMBots, Zagami, Pikemen, Icehouse... none of those have any random elements.

I was thinking of RAMbots too, but the simultaneous programming aspect is arguably equivalent to a random element. Certainly it has more crazy funny chaos than a normal strategy game with no randomness. (E.g. I have 2 equally plausible first moves I could program, and you have 2 equally plausible first moves to block them; will you successfully guess which of my 2 good moves I pick? In a classical game theory sense, randomness enters in the form of optimal mixed (random) strategies for the players.)

But that's a game-philosophical-semantical tangent. I agree RAMbots is a good fun game (and a RoboRally-killer for me), and I recommend it in any case.
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Wow, thanks for all of the great responses. I'll be starting with zendo but I am excited to give a few more of these a try afterwards. Really enjoying reading up on the different games, that little box sure is packed with games.

Thanks again, any more are appreciated obviously as well.

I'll be sure to report back after trying a few.
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chrisoc13 wrote:
Thanks again, any more are appreciated obviously as well.


Of possible interest:
Icehouse / Looney pyramid games explored by russ

If you search geeklists for Looney or Icehouse in the header, you can find some more geeklists where someone gives their impressions of various pyramid games.
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russ wrote:
chrisoc13 wrote:
Thanks again, any more are appreciated obviously as well.


Of possible interest:
Icehouse / Looney pyramid games explored by russ

If you search geeklists for Looney or Icehouse in the header, you can find some more geeklists where someone gives their impressions of various pyramid games.


Really appreciate that list, thanks for the link!
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chrisoc13 wrote:
russ wrote:
chrisoc13 wrote:
Thanks again, any more are appreciated obviously as well.


Of possible interest:
Icehouse / Looney pyramid games explored by russ

If you search geeklists for Looney or Icehouse in the header, you can find some more geeklists where someone gives their impressions of various pyramid games.


Really appreciate that list, thanks for the link!

For what it's worth, here's my list:
Looney Pyramids games I've played/logged
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Here's a list of my favorite Pyramid games, too:
Cerulean's Starship Captain List
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And my subjective as well as now quite out of date list . . .
More subjective, but (perhaps) more useful - an Icehouse list . . .
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Thanks everyone for the lists, I have a lot to go through, lots of games to play.
 
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